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20825, car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by pn0ymahal, Apr-28-02 04:37 PM
well after my crane hi-6di2 install my air/fuel gauge is not giving my as rich of a reading as before... at wot .87-.91v max with the ignition on sometimes it will just be in the 70s moving around or jumping everywhere... this is up to 6psi of boost fuel is about 85-90psi at 6psi egt is 1500-1550max at 6psi... well today i put my ignition to stock and at 1st run to 6psi ran stoich to rich a little .85-.94v jumping around... next run had enough fuel 85-90psi at 6psi egt went up to almost 1600 this was from a dead stop... then run i just step on the gas half way going slower .91-.94v... next run fuel 85-90psi at 6psi egt 1500max a/f .92 going down to .91-.90v then .87v?? what gives??... this is happening without the ignition in ....i have both the blinky light modified air/fuel and digital air/fuel...its weird how this happens right after i install my ignition before it was .92-.96v no matter what egt 1400-1500max fuel 85psi at 6psi of boost... on a side note im auto and when i let off the throttle pushing it i get a higher air/fuel reading like before i let off ..87v then i let off goes to .92v for example...?? could my gauges have gone bad?
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20826, RE: car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by pn0ymahal, Apr-29-02 10:05 AM
anyone?
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20827, RE: car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by aj, Apr-29-02 03:12 PM
What plugs were you using?Might need to step down one heat range.BTW, I had problems w/ both those gauges hooked up.I took one of em off and it was fine after that.
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20828, RE: car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by pn0ymahal, Apr-29-02 05:01 PM
the a/f wire is white with black stripe or other way around? i forgot since i installed it with the turbo... so i dont see a reason for it to mess my a/f up now since both of them gave me a accurate reading on both gauges etc?? this all happen after i disconnected the battary to install my ignition weird....
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20829, RE: car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by Avenger EST, Apr-30-02 04:56 AM
read my website. It might help you decipher what is going on in yoru situation.
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20830, new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by pn0ymahal, Apr-30-02 06:41 AM
i will check out your site.. the info i need is under tech right? this is what i found out today after class on my way home... also today i notice while driving from a stop and go that my a/f was rich .92-.95v when i step on the gas a little bit starts at .92v then step on the gas more and goes up to .95v i believe closed loop mode its in, but then i turn off overdrive ( auto ) and floor the gas around 45-55mph then my a/f drops down slowly .95-.93-.92-.87v etc ( you get the idea) when im in boost up to 1-2psi barely pushing the gas my a/f is still .91-.93v...once im at boost at about 5-6psi and my fuel is at around 85-93psi once i floor it and its in the .87v range... later i put some gas and step on it trying to be in closed loop and my a/f was not going to rich like before, so i floored went up to 6psi still not rich on the a/f so then i let off the gas and slowly step on the gas going about 45-50mph and its in the rich .90-.92v... cruising then hit the pedel to the floor and i get .90-.91v in boost... question is what sensors should i check out etc or do? i wont be able to hook up my labtop to see when it goes into open loop till i am free and get someone to look... also no error codes (cel)... inputs?
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20831, RE: new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by Corbin, Apr-30-02 11:57 AM
One note: The O2 output will cycle rapidly when you are in closed loop. The numbers generally move too fast to pay attention to. If a number stays for a second or more, you are in open loop. You will see the numbers change some in open loop, but they slowly click higher or lower...like you described .95, .93, .91. I still don't have a clue why your gauges would stop working right when you put the ignition in. I think its something I'd just have to see for myself.
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...

Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
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20832, RE: new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by pn0ymahal, Apr-30-02 02:09 PM
well i removed the a/f light wire from the ecu still the same thing... i took it for a drive by myself again with the ob2 program etc... i notice anything 2psi of boost and below my a/f will be rich .91-.95v going up slowly.. if i go to 6psi it will start to drop down slowly.95-.88v mostly .90v... i did about 11-12 runs down a long street back and fourth going into all gears with overdrive in up to 120mph fuel is a bit high 87-90psi sometimes it would flicker very fast at that point then get steady is this ok?, and egt most of the time up to 1500-1550max once it went close to 1600 but that was all... i notice comparing a/f readings on my digital a/f and labtop that on the labtop bank 1 short one, it was mostly at the same exact reading as my digital gauge, but sometimes it would range from 1v max but sometimes up to 2-3v differ?? i notice a couple runs when my digital a/f gauge hit .88-.89v my labtop only said, .90v never below?? which is more accurate? i also notice the 1st a/f to the 2nd a/f on my labtop differed about 3v about is this right?...i got my static at 60psi 3.62 disk hard spring dark colored no bleed valve now vacuum screw in clockwise and my idle fp is 50psi, but i also notice when i got home it was at 55psi at idle? i rev the car and it went down to 50psi? and my fuel pump is not as loud as before when i was running rich .93v+ but you can hear it a bit from the outside not inside anymore?... im not sure whatelse to do...car runs hard ... im so lost now... i dont know whatelse to check or do.. Corbin want to come help me im in so cal? hehe =)ill pay for your ticket =)
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20833, RE: new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by pn0ymahal, May-01-02 07:26 AM
today driving my a/f never went to rich at wot mostly just moving around... would this mean its not going into open loop mode? im lost
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20834, RE: new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by Corbin, May-01-02 11:16 AM
Are you sure that both fuel pumps are operating reliably? Is the boost screw on the S-FMU fully closed? I just don't remember my fuel pressures flickering with the S-FMU. I really wish I could help out, there should be someone local that can help. Sounds like the digital A/F is working right. I wouldn't expect the digital meter to exactly match the datalogger, but they should be similar.
When you go WOT, the O2 volts should move very slowly...like a clock ticking away seconds.
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...

Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
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20835, RE: new info on a/f prob might help? Posted by pn0ymahal, May-01-02 03:12 PM
i have the boost screw all the way in ( clockwise ) and same for vacuum port... i just put a new fron o2 sensor samething... i notice at idle my fuel pressure was moving a bit got me worried for a second... i can hear my hrc pump each time i start and at idle, what should i check out or how should i? since i get about 85-95psi of fuel at 6psi i would have to run rich, not leaner right?.... i think i will have to call someone ....=)
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20836, RE: car running leaner then normal but egt is ok Posted by toykilla, May-01-02 03:39 PM
could my gauges have >gone bad?
Doesnt sound like gauge went bad at all. If so it would be way way off no matter what you were doing with the pedal. I honestly have no idea what could be causing the problem. Spark plugs like said above or maybe your fuel pressure isnt holding at high rpm ranges. Your not going to notice a 5psi downgrade when driving and trying to pay attention to the road. With the volts at ~.87-~.91 its apparently to lean with the high EGT's. Try and get it up to ~.93-~.95. .93 in lower rpms and always try to never go over .95. It might be damn hard but its a trial and error process. Take it to a shop to get it tuned. After I get my rebuild done, (im doing it myself) im gonna get it tuned as much as I can but I will take it to a shop to get it perfectly tuned with all the machines they have and dyno'd. Next time my car is driven it will have rebuild kit in, motor mounts, flywheel, trottle body, p&p intake manifold, balanced and blueprinted engine, resurfaced and overbored to fit the pistons. Also, im gonna try corbins 8fuel injecters with a aftermarket fuel rail (if someone makes one, might get a mustang rail since im getting injecters for a stang) and some 525cc injecters. To go along with the stock 235cc's I should beable to run 30psi and 100 shot easily. (atleast im hoping)
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20837, solder the wires back to stock Posted by pn0ymahal, May-02-02 07:05 AM
im going to solder the wires back to stock and see what happens so far i got no clue what to do... all i can say is that my compression is nice =)
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20838, RE: solder the wires back to stock Posted by pn0ymahal, May-02-02 12:09 PM
i put it all back.. crap samething... i guess im out of luck.. i will just put the dang injecs in soon i hope and if i dont run rich there is something wrong with a sensor?
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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20839, found one prob but not it Posted by pn0ymahal, May-03-02 04:41 PM
well i took a look at the wires i could see from the ecu going down... the wire was sorta strip or cut you can say and when i pulled it just came loose from the bottom whereever that leads to? where does it let to etc? i solder those wires back and my o2 sensor bank 1 curve is good now ... the sensor 2 is still at the bottom chillin like i believe its sopose to at idle... the car does feel a bit of hesitation once in boost..its funny i step on the gas slowly goes up to .93-.95 up to 2psi of boost then i floor it it drops to .87-.90v going up to 5-6psi it has a hard time then and let go a bit on the gas but hold it then my a/f goes back up slowly...hehe egt still seems fine 1400-1500 fuel around 90 at 6psi, but sometimes my pump is loud sometimes its like not there at idle...
Michael 99gs Boost It! Mods: no time to put in yet:315cc injectors. Hrc Stage 2 S-FMU Crane HI-6DI2 Greddy Type S Bov VC-2 Road Race Catch Can Greddy Profec B & Switch Apexi WS Catback Super Afc Autometer Boost, Egt,Tranny Temp Gauge & Cooler Air/Fuel Light & Digital Tokico Adjust Struts Eibach Pro Kit Springs Front & Rear Upper Bar CarCraft Interior Sound System= Bring it On
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