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13804, problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by Avenger EST, Jan-20-02 01:24 PM
OK, I have a lean/flat spot/skipping problem on what I would like to call project 002. Car is equipped with Acell DFI and JE pistons and crower rods. Car is also equipped with standard msd dis-2. At 5K, the car seems to hit a bad spot (pegs lean and looses power). after 5k, it pulls again without a problem. The car has standard sized spark plug wires. The problem isn't fuel map related (it happens a tall different boost levels), and I seriously doubt it is fuel pump or regulator related (it still has a good A/F ratio from 6 to 15 psi). Has anybody ever had this kind of situation, and was it the spark plug wires. this car is also equiped with new ngk plugs.

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13805, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by JasonESi_T, Jan-20-02 01:46 PM
Have you datalogged your sensors?

I've heard of similar stuff with the 4g63 crowd at a certain RPM point feeling that "dead spot," as it was datalogged and revealed.

I didn't stick around to see what the causes and solutions were, but as you may guess, it probably was fuel, spark, or air related.(IIRC, there was even a yahoo group that was created to dsicuss it) I would work from those basics, and try and get some datalogs comparing your timing and O2 along a graph and see what it look likes.

Personally, I haven't heard of any such problem being 420a-universal.
13806, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by aj, Jan-20-02 02:44 PM
I had the same problem last week.It turned out to be lean at a certain rpm/s where I was getting the "dead spot",although egt's where cool and a/f was alright.Same thing,power from 1000-3500 rpm,dies from 3500-4500,4500+ goes back to full power.I richened it out and it got rid of it.
13807, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by 992gnt, Jan-21-02 01:58 AM
It could also be too rich. I've had that before. Mine was always at 4k.

13808, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by Kiku, Jan-22-02 04:39 AM
also check your map sensor voltage. What fuel cut bypass method do you have installed? HRC FCD? VC-1/2?


13809, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by Jeff_99gs, Jan-22-02 08:14 AM
How is your timing? The timing may be getting pulled and that flat spot is the short time before being fixed by the DFI.
13810, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by DarkOne, Jan-22-02 08:21 AM
This was sort of my thinking as well.. datalog it, and see what the timing advance is doing.
13811, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by MuRiX, Jan-22-02 09:45 AM
Things to note:

002 runs an accel DFI. It does not need any help with the stock map sensor since it uses its own 3-bar. No fuel cut issues.

Timing is handled by a DIS-2 retard set to 6deg at 7k, NGK BKR6E gapped to .030 (unless that has changed recently - Armond?), NGK wires.
13812, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by Avenger EST, Jan-22-02 02:23 PM
plugs gapped to .035 currently. I didn't feel the gap would have to be closed very much at a low boost setting especially with the msd ignition. I will try a new set of spark plugs this weekend, and if that fails, I will have to purchase a cheap laptop and datalog it to check the ignition timing. Thanks for the responces.

bring it on............
13813, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by toykilla, Jan-22-02 08:04 PM
i had same exact problem. turned out, plugs were screwed.
13814, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by MuRiX, Jan-22-02 10:17 PM
I think .035 would be too much. I consider .030 already pushing it. It would be nice if that is all it is. I wish I could send you one of my laptops considering I have two. :(
13815, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by mkerley, Jan-22-02 11:05 PM
With the MSD, shouldn't you be able to actually gap your plugs a little higher? No experience here, but I thought w/ a more powerful ignition, logically you should be able to make the gap larger...basically saying that .035 should be fine since that's what's recommended w/ the stock ignition system and the same plugs.

13816, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by MuRiX, Jan-23-02 02:14 AM
A .030 gap is already larger than I would recommmend without an ignition. I would gap to .025-.028 without one. I think that at the high end .035 is still too much. It could just be my wires though. I am still using the stock 7mm sized NGK wires. I felt they are enough, but maybe I need something larger?
13817, RE: problem with project 002 skip at 5K
Posted by Avenger EST, Jan-23-02 02:18 AM
You "can" still send me one of your laptops ;). (as long as it has an rs-232 port ;))

A.D.P.
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