Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks
who gives a shit, BUY A FUCKING FUEL PUMP.
I guess I'm just under estimating the knowledge of people who will buy the kit. Even though its marketed as a bolt and go, everyone is going to know the needed essentials and upgrades that should be done at some point.I'm also sure most of the questions will only be related to "where to tap my oilpan". Like I said I'm really done talking about it, not my money so lets reflect on some q&a with terry and CI
Originally posted by ConceptIllusions(~kit statment~This kit is a true bolt on! Stock engines can handle 7psi safely and produce an extra 80hp.. These kits can easily be upgraded to a stage 2 or even just upgraded to one of our front mount intercooler kits. We also can weld on your choice of BOV flange)
truthfully i dont think anyone will need an upgraded pump to run stage 1 at 6-7psi.
we just have to get some type of instructions printed up for the novice do it yourselfer.
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Are you prepared to re-imburse people for problems related to lack of fuel for a stage1? Your going to need to. There is no such thing as a Garrett T3 "standard trim" Every turbo has a trim measurement, A/R ratio for both the turbine and compressor. Based on that i would say your turbo kit is a bit shaky. Your Ad is very misleading......anyone who has a built motor just turn up the boost if you have our FMIC.....Great so now you are promoting raising the boost with no fuel. You sound more like a Newb looking to turbo a car. Terry
Originally posted by ConceptIllusions
Yes your right i think we need to reword the ad.. it does make it sound like you can just crank up the boost without adding more fuel.. tuners get the drift.. newbies may be confused. thanks for the input.. as for the stage 1 turbo specs we will be offering a garrett t3 A/R .48 turbine A/R .42 compressor we consider this a standard trim to us seeing that most t3s we buy come that way.. weve been testing this kit for over 3 months now on a few local cars and have seen great results on stock fuel system at 6psi
I just want to interject for a sec I would love to see the results, I can get three runs on a dyno for 75. But I'm thinking we will see those when the first kits are out before we hear of problems. ok back to terry
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
that is a very common turbo and cheaply priced one. You might help buyers by offering a .63/.50 trim t3/t4. the one you are considering standard will only be good for 8-9 psi. at that point the turbine will become way to restrictive at higher rpms and the compressor will not flow nearly enough to perform well. Many people who just want to bolt on a kit for stage 1 and be happy will be fine but anyone who has plans to go 15psi+ will end up spending more money in the long run. The problem for you is once the buyer has his stage 1 installed and wants to go to 10PSI+ he will be forced to sell his "standard Garrett, which won't sell, he will have his money wasted in that small turbo. In turn he will look for a used turbo to upgrade with and you lose a customer/sale. To be a competitive Turbo kit retailer you need to have a well designed stage 1 that is easily upgraded to a stage2. Having to replace the turbo from stage 1 to stage 2 will hurt sales. Yes your stage 1 will be 300.00 more but it will be worth it to the buyers. Also you need a Defined "map" for upgrading. Having the Stage 2 kits designed will onyl help the sales of the stage 1 since the buyer will know what to plan on. Just stating that you have a stage 2 in the works doesnt give the buyer a Warm fuzzy feeling. The most important aspect of your sales should be dyno slips. Just because you chose a turbo and bolted it on doesnt mean it's performance will be optimun for the kit/motor combo. The basic idea is that not all forced air is created equal. Hahn Racecraft will be your competitor and has gotten to where he is for a reason.....price doesnt mean shit when your buying a turbo kit, you get what you pay for and the first legit unhappy person on this board will ruin what your trying to accomplish. You must be prepared to present proof your kit will perform to the expectations of the public. Those of us that have been here for some time and do fabricating are going to make it very difficult on you. We demand more than the average kit thrown together for our Newb's...lol We will be the people who get questions on how to do this and that with your kit, and there will be no way for you to be on here 24/7. Good luck to you, look forward to seeing which direction you go and what you come up with. Terry