Originally posted by Kirby

Originally posted by BlackMagic

Originally posted by Collente

Originally posted by BlackMagic retarding timing is good for a turbocharged car

WTF KIND OF RESPONSE IS THIS... IM IN FUCKING BANME! LAND! It may allow you to run more boost, but fucking A its not a good thing. Nick 97RS

thats what i was saying...you want the timing retarded a little too run more boost so you don't get detonation, unless you want to run higher octane, don't get your panties in a bunch

Wow nick, take a chill pill bro. Why would retarding timing be a bad thing? It may be bad in an N/A setup in terms of it giving you less power. In a turbo setup running high pressures it is a good thing. Now in a turbo setup running lower pressures like 7psi it is not necessary, but that does not mean it would be a bad thing to do for safteys sake like when you get to 10psi on a stock bottom end. Pulling timing is not detrimental to the engine or anything. And just to make some of the above responces a little clearer: Denser Air = more volume, more volume = more pressure in the compression stroke and more boom in the combustion process. The stock bottom end will only take so big of a boom...

your right kirby as well as most of what has been said......the sad thing is there was never a realistic "goal" set for running the two together.What expections was the guy posting the question looking to do as far as making power. He only stated that he wanted to maybe run n20 also. Lol and most everyone here went right to maxium potential of our motor. When in a realistic terms we should all try to make the needed suggestions for a streetable level of performance without pushing the brink of detonation so far as to be unreliable in the day to day. Common sense would be hes not going to spray at every stop light, lol but hey stranger things have happened I guess. And he has a beefier bottom end already so we can get past stock bottom end expectations and really see if what hes looking for is feasible. I think we all know theres going to be sacrifices to run both together and something has to be altered in order to make both work in unison. The deciding factor should be cost vs gain. And imo upping your boost level and proper ic cooling is going to be more reliable then trying to add a direct hit to the bottom end under spray with boost.