Hell, it says in the owners manual our cars are like 3,8xx lbs. But the evo has been around for a long time. It has nothing to do with eclipse guys being older. The eclipse was Mitsu's small American sports car, while Japan had the FTO. They changed the design to that horrid 3g, which is still our small sports car(unforunately), and later brought the evo over to combat with Subaru. The evo, though it is four door, will out perform the 2g eclipse in just about every aspect even if they had the same power. And it's a good looking four door. But I'd still rather have my 2g.