my clutch is starting to slip (i get some pretty high boost spikes, but i don't really care becuase i'm replacing things this winter). anyway, with these mods would an ACT 2100 clutch hold up?...

evoIII 16g
FMIC
255lph FP
550-650cc injectors
and boost around 20psi
(of course that's not everything for mods, but you get the idea).

i'm just scared to go with anything more in fear of playing with crankwalk. i'm also thinking about getting the phantom grip LSD with upgraded springs just to try out. i haven't really seen any real complaints from people that actually have them. some going 2+ years with it. so i dunno.

tell me what you think.

Yes.

Why are you scared of CW? CW is seriously overated. What are your horspower goals with this car? You should chose your clutch based on your goals with the car. ACT 2100 cannot to the repeated abuse like the 2600. Then on top of that there is the matter on which disc to go with.

Originally posted by BigBald
Why are you scared of CW? CW is seriously overated. What are your horspower goals with this car? You should chose your clutch based on your goals with the car. ACT 2100 cannot to the repeated abuse like the 2600. Then on top of that there is the matter on which disc to go with.

Agreed on the 2100 not taking abuse very well, especially in an awd ( i used a 2100, it lasted about 50 passes and 7000 miles, got a 2600 ) but i don't see why you would even have to think about what disk to use, the organic disk they come with is an excellent disk, very streetable and easy to slip, the 2100,2600, and even the 2900 all come with the same organic disk, reason being, its a good disk to use.

He has a 16g on a FWD. 2100 is just fine.

I hear the phantom grip is a crappy "LSD" (its not actually an LSD), but if you're hellbent on it then go for it and leave some real feedback!!!

I do hear good things about the quaife, but it is rather pricey...

Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Originally posted by BigBald Why are you scared of CW? CW is seriously overated. What are your horspower goals with this car? You should chose your clutch based on your goals with the car. ACT 2100 cannot to the repeated abuse like the 2600. Then on top of that there is the matter on which disc to go with.

Agreed on the 2100 not taking abuse very well, especially in an awd ( i used a 2100, it lasted about 50 passes and 7000 miles, got a 2600 ) but i don't see why you would even have to think about what disk to use, the organic disk they come with is an excellent disk, very streetable and easy to slip, the 2100,2600, and even the 2900 all come with the same organic disk, reason being, its a good disk to use.

Well there are many complaints abotu the Street disc ACT produces. I personally went with the 6 puck due to the hp numbers i want to achieve. the street disc is more prone to slipping in higher hp applications. I have personally seen this happen on more then one occasion.


but yeah...2100 is fine for him. I would still get the 2600 just because....people always change their minds about things......a clutch job is not something i want to do more then once....lol....

With the power you want to make, you'll be pulling trannies quite often. Just the way it is. :)

Originally posted by HybriDSM

Originally posted by BigBald

Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Originally posted by BigBald Why are you scared of CW? CW is seriously overated. What are your horspower goals with this car? You should chose your clutch based on your goals with the car. ACT 2100 cannot to the repeated abuse like the 2600. Then on top of that there is the matter on which disc to go with.

Agreed on the 2100 not taking abuse very well, especially in an awd ( i used a 2100, it lasted about 50 passes and 7000 miles, got a 2600 ) but i don't see why you would even have to think about what disk to use, the organic disk they come with is an excellent disk, very streetable and easy to slip, the 2100,2600, and even the 2900 all come with the same organic disk, reason being, its a good disk to use.

Well there are many complaints abotu the Street disc ACT produces. I personally went with the 6 puck due to the hp numbers i want to achieve. the street disc is more prone to slipping in higher hp applications. I have personally seen this happen on more then one occasion. but yeah...2100 is fine for him. I would still get the 2600 just because....people always change their minds about things......a clutch job is not something i want to do more then once....lol....

With the power you want to make, you'll be pulling trannies quite often. Just the way it is. :)

not a TRE tranny.....Should hold up quite well I was told.......

Originally posted by BigBald

Originally posted by HybriDSM

Originally posted by BigBald

Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Originally posted by BigBald Why are you scared of CW? CW is seriously overated. What are your horspower goals with this car? You should chose your clutch based on your goals with the car. ACT 2100 cannot to the repeated abuse like the 2600. Then on top of that there is the matter on which disc to go with.

Agreed on the 2100 not taking abuse very well, especially in an awd ( i used a 2100, it lasted about 50 passes and 7000 miles, got a 2600 ) but i don't see why you would even have to think about what disk to use, the organic disk they come with is an excellent disk, very streetable and easy to slip, the 2100,2600, and even the 2900 all come with the same organic disk, reason being, its a good disk to use.

Well there are many complaints abotu the Street disc ACT produces. I personally went with the 6 puck due to the hp numbers i want to achieve. the street disc is more prone to slipping in higher hp applications. I have personally seen this happen on more then one occasion. but yeah...2100 is fine for him. I would still get the 2600 just because....people always change their minds about things......a clutch job is not something i want to do more then once....lol....

With the power you want to make, you'll be pulling trannies quite often. Just the way it is. :)

not a TRE tranny.....Should hold up quite well I was told.......

Not to replace the tranny, but to replace the clutches you burn through. Trying to get into the 10's will take alot of passes. That's all I was saying. With that much power, things will start breaking at some point, but at least you'll be stupid fast in between.

It's too much fun to pass up though.

Edit: Also, I expect at some point to have my Shep tranny rebuilt in some capacity. I guess I have just gotten ready to prepare myself mentally for the inevitable. 'Tis the DSM way. :thumbsup

I dont know crap compared to these guys, but my 14B@15psi FWD used up most of an ACT2100 in only 10k miles. Maybe that's good :shrug but it seemed kinda short-lived for how expensive it was.

It is MUCH easier to daily drive than an ACT2600 though.

Originally posted by thedawg
I dont know crap compared to these guys, but my 14B@15psi FWD used up most of an ACT2100 in only 10k miles. Maybe that's good :shrug but it seemed kinda short-lived for how expensive it was. It is MUCH easier to daily drive than an ACT2600 though.

only 10k miles? i've already driven my car 3-4k in like 3 months. i just heard the theory that a clutch with more pressure can potentially cuase crankwalk, which does make sense. so a GST with over 100k miles and over 300WHP kind of worries me.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by thedawg I dont know crap compared to these guys, but my 14B@15psi FWD used up most of an ACT2100 in only 10k miles. Maybe that's good :shrug but it seemed kinda short-lived for how expensive it was. It is MUCH easier to daily drive than an ACT2600 though.

only 10k miles? i've already driven my car 3-4k in like 3 months. i just heard the theory that a clutch with more pressure can potentially cuase crankwalk, which does make sense. so a GST with over 100k miles and over 300WHP kind of worries me.

So many theories...believe none. Build it up till it walks. If it walks...swap in a 6 bolt. 2100 does slip after repeated runs, so if you repeatedly race then you may want to consider 2600.

Heres the thing. The GS-T is putting all that power to only two wheels , whereas the GSX/TSI AWD, your dividing it into all 4 wheels, so less stress , clamping force on the rest of the parts. The CW theory, is that this causes stress to the rest of the car ie the engine causing the crank to 'walk' prematurely. This is why you can run a 2600 on a awd much easier than a fwd. Most people who have GST's have used the 2100.

Originally posted by BigBald
If it walks...swap in a 6 bolt.

hmm, you make sound so easy. maybe i'll win the lottery here soon :)

Originally posted by Initial DSM
The CW theory, is that this causes stress to the rest of the car.

not sure what you're trying to say here. clutch theory is like the clutch moves the thrust bearings which inturn move the crank. others are the bearing housing on the actual block being machined to the wrong spec. also crank being machined wrong. or just wrong bearing sizes. or oil squiters. blah, blah, blah.

i think i'll try the 2600. *crosses fingers*

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by BigBald If it walks...swap in a 6 bolt.

hmm, you make sound so easy. maybe i'll win the lottery here soon :)

Originally posted by Initial DSM The CW theory, is that this causes stress to the rest of the car.

not sure what you're trying to say here. clutch theory is like the clutch moves the thrust bearings which inturn move the crank. others are the bearing housing on the actual block being machined to the wrong spec. also crank being machined wrong. or just wrong bearing sizes. or oil squiters. blah, blah, blah. i think i'll try the 2600. *crosses fingers*

I'm only speaking from experience through my friends. Ask around on other sites, you'll see 2100 is the norm for fwd 4G63. Its not the same as awd 4G63. two different cars..

I see what you are saying....I am on the 2600 and 6 puck and have been beating the shit out of it at the track....lol. I am pretty sure once i hit 11s shit will break. I can deal with replacing clutches...the tranny was my biggest concern since it cost alot more....lol.

What are your goals with your setup?

I'd love to say ten's but it's such a long road to that point that I'll just preliminarily say I want it running for a while and fast enough to scare myself. I have to basically learn to drive it all over again, so that's an added challenge. Who knows though, one day, a ten second pass would be an awesome thing to have done, but I don't think I could say that is my main goal for it.

Quit fucking quoting the entire fucking thread.

Thanks.