I've been really thinking about selling the GST to have money to move and go to college. Now, the only way I would do this is if I get a GSX(or maybe GST) down the road, when money flowing in, or just sell it and get the GSX now :), or keep the GST and keep modding it.

QUESTIONS/CONCERNS:

Right now traction isn't a huge issue(launches suck though). I've always wondered how much difference(if any) in highway performance between the FWD and AWD there is. Someday I'd wish to have 350-400WHP, I know the GST would dominate most cars on the highway with that, but on the other hand, 1st and 2nd gear wouldn't be much use. My thought is with 350-400HP(don't know about AWHP) with the GSX, the drivetrain loss wouldn't matter, because, well, it's 400HP. What I'm getting at is, somebody race a 400HP GST vs. a 400HP GSX :). I'd like you AWD guy's opinions on the drivetrain loss aspect.

There are 2 types of DSMers, those that have awd and those that want AWD. :evilgrin

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD
There are 2 types of DSMers, those that have awd and those that want AWD. :evilgrin

Yup. Here it is in a nutshell:


FWD = Better at highway speeds
AWD = Better from a stop
400hp = Fuck everyone who cares.

You will need to make alittle more power then the FWD guy to make up for the difference in gearing and Drivetrain loss.

Originally posted by BigBald
You will need to make alittle more power then the FWD guy to make up for the difference in gearing and Drivetrain loss.

Right, but what are your highway/roll-on encounters like?

This is just a really hard choice because I Love the GST. All stock when I got it, still in excellent condition with minor do-dad's. I just know I'm never going to stop modding, then soon traction will be the death of me.

What is the loss, 50% for AWD and about 20% for FWD?

I heard as low as 15% and as high as 29%. I can tell you that Martin from AMS did back to back Dyno's with an Evo. On a FWD dyno they made 620whp and on the AWD dyno it made 605whp. That is only a 2.5% difference when he thought it would be a hell of alot more.

Personally, with FWD cars at about the same power level when i had my 16g, i would get slaughtered from a roll. They were 1g FWD vehicles though so you also need to take in account the weight. Traction will not be your enemy if you get LSD and a nice set of slicks. I know a guy on our DSMlink board who took he FWD 2g into the 10s on a t-67 turbo @35psi. He even launches at 6500 rpm...lol.

my RS feels faster from a roll than my 1g.

there is no comparison from a stop. not even close.

when do you really ever race on the highway anyways? Highway racing seems to me like it emerged because kids with modded hondas couldn't race from a stop worth shit. Every day I wish I had AWD...now i'm looking at a huge expense to change platforms AGAIN and i'm wondering if its even worth it, or if I should just say "fuck it" and buy something cheap and reliable and a motorcycle.

I have riden in both a high HP FWD and AWD. From a roll they feel very much different, but the AWD is definitely more fun. This dude had about 400 FWHP and in 3rd gear his tires broke loose and the car started veering off to the right. A high HP AWD will not break the tires and will go straight and true, and it is still fast as hell. Go AWD, unless you care about gas mileage. In that case, go with FWD.

Originally posted by FlyinEsi
I have riden in both a high HP FWD and AWD. From a roll they feel very much different, but the AWD is definitely more fun. This dude had about 400 FWHP and in 3rd gear his tires broke loose and the car started veering off to the right. A high HP AWD will not break the tires and will go straight and true, and it is still fast as hell. Go AWD, unless you care about gas mileage. In that case, go with FWD.

Do you ever race from a roll? What have you beat or lost to? I'm just trying to get a perspective here because I've never ridin in an AWD car.

What Vandy said is exactly what I'm talking about. What's your estimated horsepower and when can you get serious traction? You don't have an LSD do you?

once you get some real power FWD gets annoying on the street and you spin everywhere. Even my slow ass turbo 2gnt had traction problems. Now that I got AWD I love it. Great in all kinda of weather. Might be heavy as crap and not as good as FWD on the highway but I'll just have to make up for that w/ upgraded turbo's!
-Dave

Honestly, the way I see it is this. If you are looking for a car that can basically go to the track and click off dumbfounding 1/4 mile times, AWD is 100% the way to go. If you are looking for a car that will kick ass racing on the highway to 120, you are a fucking idiot, and should get arrested for such stupidity.

In all seriousness though. The AWD car NEVER has traction issues. You'll never have to spend $1k+ for an LSD, nor will you ever have to buy sets of tires over and over when you shred the fronts. You'll never have to worry about breaking loose in third nor will you have to give up using 1st or 2nd gear until readline ever again.

If you really are that concerned about what AWD feels like and how it "puts its power down", come to the shootout and watch people go down the track all day Sunday. I think seeing that in person and riding in an AWD car over the weekend will make your mind up for you.

Also, you start having major traction issues around 300 hp on FWD as far as I have heard. 1st gear is useless, as is much of 2nd. And, if it's raining, has rained, is raining somewhere else in the world, or even may rain in the future, you'll have traction problems.

Originally posted by HybriDSM
Honestly, the way I see it is this. If you are looking for a car that can basically go to the track and click off dumbfounding 1/4 mile times, AWD is 100% the way to go. If you are looking for a car that will kick ass racing on the highway to 120, you are a fucking idiot, and should get arrested for such stupidity.

HAHA, what I mean by highway racing is from a roll on a secluded(sp) street. There's not much for actual highways around here. But isn't there just that occassional Vet or some car where you know you're not going to get them to pull off on a side road to go from a stop that you want to run?

Originally posted by HybriDSM
...if it's raining, has rained, is raining somewhere else in the world, or even may rain in the future, you'll have traction problems.

That actually made me laugh. So true, so true... :cry

My GS-T might be a piece. If I launch ever, I'll do a light one from maybe 2000-3000rpms, more or less on the lighter side. Once I get past 5k and I'm flooring it, it's ALL OVER rubber just burns away. It's like that until I hit 3rd gear and throw down the power.

As for AWD, I rode in a 99 GSX with a good friend of mine. It was his buddy's car and we finished his BOV install. Dead stop, turning right, then going, it's all over. The car is literally glued to the road. Just flat-out GONE!

I may have a GS-T and will never see the times of an AWD Eclipse. But to me, it's not totally the car's capabilities, its that of my own. I spent 5 months working on my GS-T and staring at it while it sat on jack stands. Having never ridden in a turbo car (modified, the volvo doesnt count) and never even driven an Eclipse Turbo (of any year, and drivetrain) I was GLAD when I got my GS-T on the road. Going from a 2GNT to a GS-T was amazing. Note, I also went to Japan and saw amazing Skylines and Supras and came home to 2 non-running Eclipses.

Basically, the choice is yours. It all comes down to who's the better driver. I could race a stock GSX and the tool can't shift, then odds are I'll take him into 3rd gear. If you're going against good racers with AWD, joining the club might not be such a bad idea. But who's to say you can't get ur FWD to the upper limits of physics and make it a really fast car?

I have the job, the money, and the connections to get myself a bone stock 99 GSX for pretty cheap. But I won't be going down that path, me and my GS-T already have a good history going down, and I'm sticking with this car. (even if it means an INSANE awd swap in the future that just might make me go bankrupt, LOL)

-Nick

I hate FWD......that is all. Nothing gives me more pleasure then launching the car at 6k....and now with a few extra goodies....will be launching at 7k.

just convert your fwd to awd

Originally posted by NHH223
I have the job, the money, and the connections to get myself a bone stock 99 GSX for pretty cheap.

HOOK ME UP!!! :) That's EXACTLY what I would want. I feel ya on the wanting to keep it because you've grown to it, and have put time, money, and heart :love into it. I've had mine for a year now and it would suck to have it go, but I just DON'T KNOW.

AWD vs. Fwd
WINNER = AWD by far

If i could go back would i have gotten AWD?...yes. Do i regret getting my GST?...Hell NO! I love my car. It pulls great and is in amazing shape inside out.

I think when deciding whether or not to upgrade to AWD, you have to take a few things into consideration.

Personally:
- I never plan to take my car to the track
- I have owned it for 1.5 years and never once launched it
- I dont plan to ever launch it(so i dont need to drop the clutch at 6k)
- I never race from a stop on the street
- If i do race, which hasnt been much, its always from a roll. People always assume this means highway bull shit. No.
- I just enjoy driving the car. Im not really an agressive driver at all, but at times i am spirited. To me, its fun to be driving with traffic, then hit boost, and suddenly just watch as the car next to you seems to go in reverse. I love to drive my car fast because i love the feeling, i dont care about smoking the guy next to me at the light.

Anyway. My point with all this is that it depends on what you want. The only time it would be nice to have AWD is in the rain....BUT even then it doesnt really matter, cuz you shouldnt be driving fast in the rain anyway. Also, i have a evo16g. Its definetly not at its full potential, but according to dsmlink im putting down around 230-250whp(24.7lbs/min), AND i have no traction problems.

EDIT: I just thought about another time i would like to have AWD...THE SNOW!! I dont want people to think im against AWD, because i would definetly love to have AWD. I have driven a AWD dsm and loved it. But to upgrade, it really just depends on your goals imo.

Originally posted by BMPDirk
AWD vs. Fwd WINNER = AWD by far If i could go back would i have gotten AWD?...yes. Do i regret getting my GST?...Hell NO! I love my car. It pulls great and is in amazing shape inside out. I think when deciding whether or not to upgrade to AWD, you have to take a few things into consideration. Personally: - I never plan to take my car to the track - I have owned it for 1.5 years and never once launched it - I dont plan to ever launch it(so i dont need to drop the clutch at 6k) - I never race from a stop on the street - If i do race, which hasnt been much, its always from a roll. People always assume this means highway bull shit. No. - I just enjoy driving the car. Im not really an agressive driver at all, but at times i am spirited. To me, its fun to be driving with traffic, then hit boost, and suddenly just watch as the car next to you seems to go in reverse. I love to drive my car fast because i love the feeling, i dont care about smoking the guy next to me at the light. Anyway. My point with all this is that it depends on what you want. The only time it would be nice to have AWD is in the rain....BUT even then it doesnt really matter, cuz you shouldnt be driving fast in the rain anyway. Also, i have a evo16g. Its definetly not at its full potential, but according to dsmlink im putting down around 230-250whp(24.7lbs/min), AND i have no traction problems. EDIT: I just thought about another time i would like to have AWD...THE SNOW!! I dont want people to think im against AWD, because i would definetly love to have AWD. I have driven a AWD dsm and loved it. But to upgrade, it really just depends on your goals imo.

I agree with everything he just said.Well, except for the traction problems. When I hit full boost, I light them right up no matter the road conditions.
At this point in my life, I never have time to go to the track and I don't race on the highway because it's usually some ricer who doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
I enjoy having a fast car, I like having the power. Yes I like to open it up sometimes. I would love to own another AWD car again and probably will get one for the winter. I just don't want one as my main car because I don't need to be stutterboxing at every stop light. lol

Originally posted by eclipzGST
I don't need to be stutterboxing at every stop light. lol

Blasphemy!

Originally posted by Jeff_99gs

Originally posted by eclipzGST I don't need to be stutterboxing at every stop light. lol

Blasphemy!

Not really. I brake torque. :P

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by BMPDirk AWD vs. Fwd WINNER = AWD by far If i could go back would i have gotten AWD?...yes. Do i regret getting my GST?...Hell NO! I love my car. It pulls great and is in amazing shape inside out. I think when deciding whether or not to upgrade to AWD, you have to take a few things into consideration. Personally: - I never plan to take my car to the track - I have owned it for 1.5 years and never once launched it - I dont plan to ever launch it(so i dont need to drop the clutch at 6k) - I never race from a stop on the street - If i do race, which hasnt been much, its always from a roll. People always assume this means highway bull shit. No. - I just enjoy driving the car. Im not really an agressive driver at all, but at times i am spirited. To me, its fun to be driving with traffic, then hit boost, and suddenly just watch as the car next to you seems to go in reverse. I love to drive my car fast because i love the feeling, i dont care about smoking the guy next to me at the light. Anyway. My point with all this is that it depends on what you want. The only time it would be nice to have AWD is in the rain....BUT even then it doesnt really matter, cuz you shouldnt be driving fast in the rain anyway. Also, i have a evo16g. Its definetly not at its full potential, but according to dsmlink im putting down around 230-250whp(24.7lbs/min), AND i have no traction problems. EDIT: I just thought about another time i would like to have AWD...THE SNOW!! I dont want people to think im against AWD, because i would definetly love to have AWD. I have driven a AWD dsm and loved it. But to upgrade, it really just depends on your goals imo.

I agree with everything he just said.Well, except for the traction problems. When I hit full boost, I light them right up no matter the road conditions. At this point in my life, I never have time to go to the track and I don't race on the highway because it's usually some ricer who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I enjoy having a fast car, I like having the power. Yes I like to open it up sometimes. I would love to own another AWD car again and probably will get one for the winter. I just don't want one as my main car because I don't need to be stutterboxing at every stop light. lol

well im only pushing 10psi, creeping to 13psi around 5krpms. So thats probably why i dont have traction issues. I know once i get the fuel pump installed and 18psi that will change. However...i dont need to floor it in 2nd to pass other cars as im sure you know. Partial throttle in 2nd is still awesome and is still great for spirited driving. Im sure when im pushing as much boost as you i will have traction problems at WOT, but i hardly go or need to go WOT. Anyway, GST LOVE :thumbsup

Hook you up? My garage is a kinda used car/new car dealership. I can get any new car at invoice, and any used car from the auctions, or really cheap if it's from a trade in. I guess we recently sold a 99 GSX 5-sp (before I started working there) and it was like, $3000 cost to my garage, LOL. I'd really do it, and seeing GSXs and VR-4s make me get all jealous and angry at my car.

But in the end, it's my car and my mods and my time I put into that make me keep it... Kinda like a girlfriend with small boobs, she might give good head, be great in bed, and have a nice butt, and you mighta been dating her for a long time, but you still can't help yourself when something that looks so much better walks by you... LOL

Originally posted by NHH223
Hook you up?

Yeah, if you come across any let me know will ya? I'll see if it's in good enough condition to travel or ship across America :).

I'm going to college to become a mechanic and I may be taking a job just detailing cars at a local dealership to get me used to garages and whatnot before I go. If I get that job I can use the shop anytime for my car and get a 10% discount on parts :).

You're getting raped man. I went to get my inspection, and the owner was like "you're running rich" and I mumbled about how much my car sucks, how a brand new cat, new spark plugs, and switching to a re-circ'ed BOV shoulda made me pass. Then he asked what I did to get my car on the road, so I listed it out...

Timing Belt
Oil Change
Plugs and Wires
Pads and rotors all around
TPS sensor
Battery
Winshield Wipers
Switching from ebay coil-overs to stock springs
ripping a huge double-deck wing off

At the end of that, he offered me a job, flat-out. Based on the shit I did to my car.

At the shop we have, alginment machine (when I do a 1.5" drop and camber kit), tire machine, lifts, torches, I have full use and access, and get 40% off stock parts, and Mitsu dealer parts I get like 25% off. Let alone brand new cars at inventory prices and used cars for dirt cheap. Free emissions testing, and unlimited support and help by master mechanics that work there. Sound good? Haha, they asked me to join them, not the other way around.

Let me know year, mileage, 5 speed (i hope!), color, and if you're really serious about this, I can make it happen, probably. And if you need parts, I got the discount.

-Nick

Originally posted by NHH223
You're getting raped man. I went to get my inspection, and the owner was like "you're running rich" and I mumbled about how much my car sucks, how a brand new cat, new spark plugs, and switching to a re-circ'ed BOV shoulda made me pass. Then he asked what I did to get my car on the road, so I listed it out... Timing Belt Oil Change Plugs and Wires Pads and rotors all around TPS sensor Battery Winshield Wipers Switching from ebay coil-overs to stock springs ripping a huge double-deck wing off At the end of that, he offered me a job, flat-out. Based on the shit I did to my car. At the shop we have, alginment machine (when I do a 1.5" drop and camber kit), tire machine, lifts, torches, I have full use and access, and get 40% off stock parts, and Mitsu dealer parts I get like 25% off. Let alone brand new cars at inventory prices and used cars for dirt cheap. Free emissions testing, and unlimited support and help by master mechanics that work there. Sound good? Haha, they asked me to join them, not the other way around. Let me know year, mileage, 5 speed (i hope!), color, and if you're really serious about this, I can make it happen, probably. And if you need parts, I got the discount. -Nick

The only reason I want to do the job is using the shop equipment and getting experience in a shop. I'd just be CLEANING cars so I'm not expecting much.

As for the car, I would want a 99 GSX manual, preferably black, black interior, stock or maybe lightly modded, under 90k miles. Heh, this is weird. Just PM me if you find anything :).

I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao

I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it.

Think about it this way.

You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD. ;-)

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD
I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD. ;-)

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD. ;-)

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.

Unless it involves rotating the motor I would want no part in this, but that's just my honest opinion.

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD. ;-)

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.

Unless it involves rotating the motor I would want no part in this, but that's just my honest opinion.

I know it would be a pain in the ass, but just the idea of an eclipse doing a RWD burnout or watching an eclipse drift would a beautiful sight.

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD. ;-)

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.

Unless it involves rotating the motor I would want no part in this, but that's just my honest opinion.

I know it would be a pain in the ass, but just the idea of an eclipse doing a RWD burnout or watching an eclipse drift would a beautiful sight.

You can get the parts here:

http://www.buschurracing.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?31X376545

This is a short list of what they used on their Conquest:

GM Powerglide, BR converter, BR adapterplate, BR flywheel
GM 12 bolt rear end

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.


Saw a basically stock RWD VR4 are our East Coast Gathering in the begining of the summer. He did a sweet burnout and it was so weird seeing that w/ 50+ AWD's in the parking lot. I'd like to see more AWD to RWD conv. to.
-Dave

Originally posted by NHH223
I guess we recently sold a 99 GSX 5-sp (before I started working there) and it was like, $3000 cost to my garage, LOL.

$3000 for a 99 GSX? I'd like to see that. I work for a dealer to and can get cars from auctions but they aren't THAT cheap. Why didn't you buy it and turn around and sell it for like 10 then? Easy $$.

EDIT: I remember when I started working at this dealer in 2001 we had a 99 GSX traded in w/ >20K miles for like 13,000 or so. This is when those cars were still going for 16-18,000. Wish I had $ back then but I had just turbo'ed my 2gnt.
-Dave

Originally posted by NHH223 I guess we recently sold a 99 GSX 5-sp (before I started working there)

Yea, BEFORE I started working there man. My buddy ended up doing the oil change on it or something. I got back from lunch break and saw a red 99-ish GSX. Year-wise, I'm not 100%, but my boss likes the 97-99s, and he tells me that they sell good. He doesn't even consider RS/GS, lol. And it had our dealer frame around the front plate so thats how I know its one of ours.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks
I've been really thinking about selling the GST to have money to move and go to college. Now, the only way I would do this is if I get a GSX(or maybe GST) down the road, when money flowing in, or just sell it and get the GSX now :), or keep the GST and keep modding it.

Sound like you made up your mind about wanting to go to school, get an education, and make some real money to afford better things that life has to offer.

Otherwise AWD is pretty bad ass. Rode in a friend's STi and had this massive grin on my face after going through a local twisty highway at an average 60-70MPH.

a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme
a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

The 2.6L? Unless already swapped with a 4G63 I would think differently.

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

The 2.6L? Unless already swapped with a 4G63 I would think differently.

Take one minute to look at buschurracing.com . You will see that their Conquest is 4G63 powered.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

The 2.6L? Unless already swapped with a 4G63 I would think differently.

Take one minute to look at buschurracing.com . You will see that their Conquest is 4G63 powered.

Ahhh, so I see. I'm not terribly familiar with their shop work. I thought you were talking about your run-of-the-mill 2.6L Starion/Conquest. My apologies. :)

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

ummmm... all RWD DSM's have the motor turned sideways. This is something NOT easily done. It's not like you just remove the front axles and bam! RWD. :rolleyes

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 :shrug. I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

ummmm... all RWD DSM's have the motor turned sideways. This is something NOT easily done. It's not like you just remove the front axles and bam! RWD. :rolleyes

Where did I say anything even remotely close to that??? Wow.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks Where did I say anything even remotely close to that??? Wow.

ooops. sorry. I thought it said "same as". My bad.

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks Where did I say anything even remotely close to that??? Wow.

ooops. sorry. I thought it said "same as". My bad.

Ok cool.

Oh and the GST is being sold. I really don't want to but it's at the mileage(109k) that if I'm going to do it, I better do it now. I'm not buying a GSX until I find the perfect one. Which I missed on Ebay a couple days ago. :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-GSX-AWD-5-SPD-TURBO-54K-MILES_W0QQitemZ4562018085QQcategoryZ6352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You might have to log in because it's a completed listing. I saw it and a couple hours later somebody used the buy it now. I am SO freakin pissed. I'm an idiot for not pushing that button. I would of had to get a loan for it but still I would of had a chance.

Originally posted by 420a-TnthewerksI'm not buying a GSX until I find the perfect one. Which I missed on Ebay a couple days ago. :censored :censored :censored :censored :censored http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-GSX-AWD-5-SPD-TURBO-54K-MILES_W0QQitemZ4562018085QQcategoryZ6352QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem You might have to log in because it's a completed listing. I saw it and a couple hours later somebody used the buy it now. I am SO freakin pissed. I'm an idiot for not pushing that button. I would of had to get a loan for it but still I would of had a chance.

I'm sure the car was walking (at least keep telling your self that)