OK here's how it's gotta be. 4G63, 420A... either way it's an eclipse. Who caes. This site is about uniting DSMs. Not arguing that a turbo motor or 420A is better. It just an't be determined. It's an endless argument. Just say I have an eclipse, mine's not turbo...yet. Or I got turbo stock. Nobody really cares. I'm tired of theendless flamin and arguing. Nobody really knows which motr is better. It's a given that the 4G63 is better vs. 420A stock tho. Oh well the point is, we all have eclipses or talons here an we just gotta mke the most of having something in common with so many people. It's a great thing to have, enjoy it and make the most of it.