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Topic subjectApparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
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44211, Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by CODE4, May-06-10 07:45 PM
Fuck California. Glad I am not there anymore.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36981179/ns/local_news-san_francisco_bay_area_ca/
44212, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by Fallen4ng31, May-06-10 08:38 PM
Fuck those fascist cocksuckers.

"The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus."

What a crock of shit. This is our fucking country. OURS, not theirs.

Forgive the ensuing rant, but...

I get so sick and tired of people labeling themselves as XXXXXX-American. Be you African, Chinese, Mexican, what-the-fuck-ever. If you immigrate to this country, you are an AMERICAN, no other tags allowed.
Having pride in one's ancestry is one thing, but this is ridiculous.

In this instance, Cinco de Mayo, or the "Mexican Independence day" is a MEXICAN holiday, not an American holiday.

Offended? Good. Grow a thicker skin, and shut the fuck up.

Welcome to America, bitches, nobody owes you shit.
44214, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by 97AllMtr, May-06-10 11:05 PM
I agree, you should be allowed to wear a shirt with whatever flag you want on it....That's what part of being an American is....However, if those boys were doing it as an act of trying to be smartasses, I can kind of understand why the Vice Principal would chose to tell them to take them off.......Either way, they should have been allowed to wear whatever they wanted, but it almost seems as though they were trying to instigate something.... That's where the problem comes in and the teachers were probably just trying to keep the peace. I hate when people try to be assholes or racist, those boys might have done it just because it was Cinco de Mayo. The problem isn't the fact of whether they were not allowed or were allowed to wear the shirts, but it almost seems like they were trying in their own little way to say "fuck you" to the Hispanic population. Lets face it folks, racism is still a major problem in this country. The question is, how often do those boys wear those "American Flag" shirts? I think they were being typical racists.
44217, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, May-07-10 10:13 AM
It doesn't matter if they were trying to be little douches to the "mexican" kids. They were wearing the AMERICAN FLAG. Unless they were actually starting fights with the mexican kids it doesn't matter. NOBODY should ever be able to tell them that they can't wear the american flag. EVER.

This is another case of discrimination against whitey that will go unpunished.
44220, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by 97AllMtr, May-07-10 05:22 PM
Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
It doesn't matter if they were trying to be little douches to the "mexican" kids. They were wearing the AMERICAN FLAG. Unless they were actually starting fights with the mexican kids it doesn't matter. NOBODY should ever be able to tell them that they can't wear the american flag. EVER. This is another case of discrimination against whitey that will go unpunished.


I agree, but I think the teachers made a judgment call. It's like showing up to a Michigan football party with an Ohio state shirt on, there's gonna be problems. Not saying that guy doesn't have the right to wear the Ohio state shirt, but for sake of keeping the peace, someone would probably be like "hey take the shirt off or leave because you're abviously trying to cause problems." I think the media is playing into "it was an American flag shirt" too much. It was mote about just keeping the peace because the teachers recognized the fact that the kids were being pricks.
44221, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by whtclipse98, May-07-10 08:00 PM
But it is their right to do what they want. One point I can see is that if the mexican kids decided to start a fight with the kids wearing the american flag shirts, then it is their fault not the kids with shirts. Yeah the faculty may have been trying to prevent something but this isn't Mexico and we don't have to observe Cinco de Mayo. They moved here to our country legally or illegally. Personally the illegal immigrants are the biggest problem we are having in this country. They want rights but yet don't want to adhere to our countries policies.
44222, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, May-08-10 09:14 AM
Originally posted by 97AllMtr
Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G It doesn't matter if they were trying to be little douches to the "mexican" kids. They were wearing the AMERICAN FLAG. Unless they were actually starting fights with the mexican kids it doesn't matter. NOBODY should ever be able to tell them that they can't wear the american flag. EVER. This is another case of discrimination against whitey that will go unpunished.
I agree, but I think the teachers made a judgment call. It's like showing up to a Michigan football party with an Ohio state shirt on, there's gonna be problems. Not saying that guy doesn't have the right to wear the Ohio state shirt, but for sake of keeping the peace, someone would probably be like "hey take the shirt off or leave because you're abviously trying to cause problems." I think the media is playing into "it was an American flag shirt" too much. It was mote about just keeping the peace because the teachers recognized the fact that the kids were being pricks.


It doesn't fucking matter. There wasn't any precident for the objectionable actions by the principal. There wasn't any history of violence or incidents caused by kids wearing American flag T-shirts. This is a cut and dry case of discrimination against the white kids.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/tensions-high-california-high-school-following-flag-flap/
Pay attention to this part

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct that, when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.

If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.

"If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made. But if just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."

Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.

"Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.


The other KEY piece to this story is the principal that made the decision to send the kids home.

Miguel Rodriguez

Being a hispanic principal and telling white kids to go home or take off their American flag shirts looks REALLY suspect. Even if his intentions were honestly for the good of the school, it won't hold up in court. Currently he's very lucky that the families of the kids have decided to not sue.
44223, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by CODE4, May-08-10 09:37 AM
Great points Erik. I would be furious had this been a child of mine. The school & principal are lucky.
44224, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by bullettdsm, May-08-10 01:25 PM
Originally posted by CODE4
Great points Erik. I would be furious had this been a child of mine.

I could not imagine if they were my kids. But I could guarantee you I would be arrested. Wrong or right, I would not sit idly by while you fuck with my kids right to support their country.

You got dedicated young people dying in representation of that flag and then you, prinicipal piece of shit, have the balls to tell them that it is disruptive to wear on our own American soil.

You know what, get the fuck out of my country you pissant little cockroach. As far as I'm concerned YOU are the one generating the disruption to OUR WHOLE country.

And believe me, rant not over...........

44225, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, May-08-10 02:06 PM
Originally posted by bullettdsm
And believe me, rant not over...........

I'm right there with you Mark.
44226, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by 97AllMtr, May-08-10 07:06 PM
I am right there with you guys, but I think the principal made the right decision in that situation.... Had there been no reason at all, and he sent them home, you bet your ass I would have been arrested. Racism has really started to come out of the woodwork lately I have noticed. The original people for this Country ( OUR Country) were the Indians(Native Americans) and we all know what happened there. Everyone else came into this County in some other form. One should look at their own ancestry as many can trace illegal immigration into this country. For example, how many of our ancetry came from Germany, Ireland, etc. It is interesting how some can look ...... A lot of us will find that we are almost all the same in one way or another and we need to get over our differences.
44228, RE: Apparently being sensitive towards others' holidays means we are not allowed to wear out own flag.
Posted by xcasbonx, May-08-10 08:31 PM
Originally posted by 97AllMtr
A lot of us will find that we are almost all the same in one way or another and we need to get over our differences.


That's a great general conception, universal at best...however it's just not that simple. There's far too many intangibles for one to object to on this matter.

I have to laugh at the whole 'cinco de mayo' celebration stuff, because around here pretty much all the Mexicans could'nt give 2 shits about it.