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40426, 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by cs82685, Jun-18-09 10:28 AM
Didn't see anyone else post this yet, so here goes. For those of you who don't frequent tuners, this has been an ongoing build which makes for a good read. A 2gnt race car finally gets some dyno time.

Link to the page with the dyno sheet:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/256740-my-420a-race-car-23.html

Congrats to DSM Zero, it's definitely been a long time coming for him and the rest of the community watching his build
40430, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-18-09 12:00 PM
6 times the factory power output. unreal. very good job. Can't imagine what the power'd be at the flywheel. over 7 i bet. damn. that's like over 160 hp per piston
40431, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by thedawg, Jun-18-09 12:01 PM
Oh, cool! it must be one of those all-motor builds I keep hearing so much about.

... going to check link now.
40439, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by bullettdsm, Jun-18-09 04:13 PM
Um, I just spoke to him about an hour ago, Said he would be posting up tonight.
40442, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-18-09 06:05 PM
curious if he went with 1/2" head studs... sorry to say, but he'd be a good guenie (sp?) pig if not. see when & if the head lifts
40444, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Jun-18-09 07:48 PM
I was just reading some of the things this guy had to say in his thread the other day. Def seems like a cool individual.

Wow is all I can say at the dyno results. I have a lot of respect for that guy...not just becuase of the build but for so many reasons.

That is so impressive, so so very impressive.

Couldnt have happened to a better guy
40446, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Smokey719, Jun-18-09 09:52 PM

Wow that's impressive I am in utter awe I never would have thought a 420a could make that kind of power mad props to him. Absolutely amazing
40447, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Flipboi89, Jun-18-09 10:25 PM
Ive been following it recently and its good he finally got numbers, alot of people were talking crap until now and still some do. Hell over 600 whp on our motors? Thats good in my book anyday.
40449, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Jun-18-09 10:47 PM
kudos for the dude that posted this, I was going to but I thought everyone saw this already.

Wasnt DSMZERO a member here I thought I saw this same car in a thread way back.
40450, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by cs82685, Jun-19-09 04:45 AM
I Wonder what it would have done with more boost, unfortunately from the sounds of it we're not going to find out. Can't wait to see his track results though.

Originally posted by bullettdsm
Um, I just spoke to him about an hour ago, Said he would be posting up tonight.


Guess I beat him to posting about his own car, haha.
40455, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by xcasbonx, Jun-19-09 08:22 AM
Simply amazing. That is all.
40457, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DarkOne, Jun-19-09 03:09 PM
I'm blown away. That's awesome!
40460, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by bullettdsm, Jun-20-09 04:05 AM
Well since Zero hasn't posted up yet (piss me off, he said he would), I'll give a bit of info and speak for him a little bit. This tune is just an inital, conservative tune. Hasn't stretched the AFR's, hasn't pushed the timing, and is only running 30lbs of boost (he says its good for 40lbs). He is playing this right. He has the tune to go out and hit the track. On a build like this, there is no reason to sit on the dyno and become a dyno queen (unlike many of our Honda friends, lol).

He should (and soon will) go out to the track to shake the car down, tune in suspension etc, find the soft spots, figure the launch, find the shift points and get some seat time. IMO, the correct way to do it.

He will get his times and then go back to the dyno and work his way up. EDITTED IN FOR MISUNDERSTANDING: For some reason I thought he was running an BW374 (I don't know where or why I got that info) but with the turbo he is using I'm taking back the 800whp comment. But should be over 700whp . My sincere apologies But it is a progression (as it has been from the beginning of his build about 3 years ago).

I imagine that this year the Hahn record should fall (if not by Zero, then there are a couple of others that are just about ready). So this can make for an interesting year for the 420a.

Oh yeah, for the record, there was no signs of head lifting. He was using ARP 2000's.

40461, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by eclipse982nrRST, Jun-20-09 04:18 AM
That is fucking awesome. Huge congrats to that man.
40474, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-21-09 06:59 PM
Thank you everyone forthe kind words.

Mybad it took me a while to post i did not have my lap top and i had to reset my password but here i am



40476, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by nyBoosted420a, Jun-21-09 09:28 PM
Thats awsome man. Great work. Its frickin sick . What are the specs ?
40477, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-22-09 07:11 AM
What spec so you want to know
40478, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Flipboi89, Jun-22-09 10:23 AM
His list is huge lol, look at dsmtuners where his build log is at.
40479, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by ez, Jun-22-09 12:19 PM
How do you build so much boost at near-idle RPMs with such a BIG turbo? That's what I want to know :) Is it all in the design of that turbo mani?
40483, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-23-09 09:05 AM
Quick run down of the race car.....some of you guys have alredy sen it on dsmtuners.

GT4067R
dual Tial 44mm gates
tial 40mm bov


Je Pistons 8.8:1 20 0ver
Eagle Rods
ARP studs
O-ringed
Crower 264 cams

Super Tech Valves, dual springs, Ti retainers,
5 angle valve job
race port and polish
90mm Accufab TB
venom IM

Electromotive Tec3r
1600cc injs
A1000 fuel pump
MSD fuel pump booster
Racepack cluster w/ data logging

New trannie
FX600 twin disc kevlar/kevlar from Clutchmaster
Quafie LSD

Tanabe FLT PRO 2 suspension
12 point roll cage
solid motor mounts
traction bars
40484, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-23-09 09:12 AM
Yea that manifold is bad to the bone at 3,000 rpm i already had 5psi

The car makes about 15hp per psi from what we could figure out with all the math. Sooo needlees to say we sould be over 700hp with just a little bit more boost.

Like bullet mentioned above all we did was make a nice base map and add boost we did not add any timming at all.

My slicks will be here on friday and there 26x13x10 mt on a 8 pound bogart 5 star pro. so on the 13 inch rim i should have plenty of side wall

40527, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-25-09 06:02 PM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
10psi 302hp

20psi 463hp

30psi 661hp


i mean. cmon. thats just wow. at 10 psi, you made what i made at 20! WTF
40532, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Fallen4ng31, Jun-26-09 06:31 AM
Mikey, his turbo also makes yours look like a CPU fan... Read the details.
40534, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by Uberingram, Jun-26-09 08:35 AM
Originally posted by Fallen4ng31
Mikey, his turbo also makes yours look like a CPU fan...

:brokeoff

Congrats on the numbers, ZERO.
40533, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-26-09 07:48 AM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO 10psi 302hp 20psi 463hp 30psi 661hp
i mean. cmon. thats just wow. at 10 psi, you made what i made at 20! WTF




LOL yes my turbo is a bit bigger than what you have probley

and yes

10psi 302hp

20psi 463hp

30psi 661hp
40485, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-23-09 09:16 AM
Originally posted by ez
How do you build so much boost at near-idle RPMs with such a BIG turbo? That's what I want to know :) Is it all in the design of that turbo mani?




Yes the turbo manifold has alot alot to do with everything the long tube mani dose not hurt at all because the a/r on the turbo is .85ar
So the exrta room in the header acts like a bigger a/r

Also Jeff is the guy at PFI who made this turbo mani he really nailed the collector very good it keeps the velocity of the exhaust pulses high to spool the turbo faster
40535, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-26-09 10:41 AM
ok so if i get a gt40, i'll make the same numbers? if yes, i'm buying one.
40537, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by bullettdsm, Jun-26-09 11:34 AM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
ok so if i get a gt40, i'll make the same numbers? if yes, i'm buying one.

Hey look^^^ Honda math.

40543, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-26-09 03:53 PM
Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC ok so if i get a gt40, i'll make the same numbers? if yes, i'm buying one.
Hey look^^^ Honda math.


i dont get it... :+
40545, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-26-09 06:30 PM
if it was only that easy lol
40548, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Jun-27-09 02:18 AM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
ok so if i get a gt40, i'll make the same numbers? if yes, i'm buying one.


Actually, yes you can. Go step up from the forged parts you have and its very possible you can.

Planning is easy but saving the dough for it is the hardest part.
40549, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-27-09 07:46 AM
Here is my dyno graph for those that have not seen it
40552, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Jun-27-09 12:01 PM
here zero:
40559, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jun-28-09 07:40 AM
Thanks Bro i was trying to figure it out lol
40611, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jul-02-09 04:40 PM
Got my slicks in and they sent me the wrong size so i sent them back and now i have to wait some more
40784, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jul-17-09 08:53 PM
MY SLICKS ARE HERE!! stay tuned for my track shakedown runs and tunning
40963, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Jul-29-09 11:14 PM
All my fab work on my new engine mounts are done now just mount my slicks and hit the track
41090, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Aug-06-09 07:27 PM





41091, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Aug-06-09 07:28 PM



41092, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by nyBoosted420a, Aug-06-09 08:45 PM
Any track times yet?
41093, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Aug-06-09 09:28 PM
that second run looks like it went lean on the spike. be careful. what were ur EGT's?
41104, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Aug-08-09 02:59 PM
no track time yet
and
the air fuel is fine we could go leaner in fact its still a bit on the rich side
41568, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Sep-11-09 04:27 PM
Ok everyone the time is here im going to the track tommorrow!!! everything is preped and ready....I can not wait..ill keep everyone posted on how it turns out
41569, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, Sep-11-09 04:52 PM
...And of course I'm working. Damnit, the highest HP 2gnt ever right in my backyard and I can't go see it run
41570, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Sep-11-09 04:56 PM
ill be at pueblo motor speedway all day sooo stop by...just call in sick say you have flu like symptons and you dont want to get anyone else sick lol
41571, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, Sep-11-09 06:06 PM
Right. I'm the ONLY parts guy on saturdays. I think my boss would shoot me.

Why are you running down at Pueblo? Do you get some strange kicks out of dragging your car all over the state? It's a ~2+ hour drive to Pueblo and last we talked your car was up in Ft.Collins, almost another 2 hour drive from where you're at THE OTHER WAY.
(All drive times are based on driving at or slightly below the posted limit)

You're a little crazy, but then again you are pushing 600+ ponies out of a 2gnt.


41572, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Sep-11-09 06:53 PM
im running in pueblo cause there is test and tune there on saturdays...and bandimere dose not offer that.
and i only have one more wednesday T&T at bandi before the race on the 20th. I live in Castle Rock
41573, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Sep-11-09 07:04 PM
Post up a youtube sir,if you could thankyou.
41574, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by RoninEclipse2G, Sep-12-09 08:10 AM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
I live in Castle Rock

I know. I live in Parker remember?
41577, RE: 2gnt makes 661whp!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Sep-13-09 02:15 PM
I posted about my track time in real racing