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Cummins Corvette, anyone?

Originally posted by DarkOne
Cummins Corvette, anyone?

LS7 Viper?

Just a pipe dream, but maybe they will kill that ugly Caliber.

Fucking Neon replacing POS.

It will never happen. GM has too many brands right now and this merger would entail laying off tons of people on both sides as well as axing a lot of brands.

Chrysler is Failing. They are trying to bring back old cars like the Avenger and Sebring.

GM is doing nothing but designing new model cars. Why would GM even consider merging with a company who knows they have nothing to offer any more.

It will not happen. Was the same thing awhile back when Ford was trying to merge with GM.

Gm has its own fuck ups. They cant compete in the midpriced sports car anymore. Ford knocked the z28 off the market, chrysler kicked ass with the charger and challenger (the v8 sold out in 1 hour), the vette is no longer accessible to the working class, THE GTO didnt pan out like they thought it would, demand only lasted 1 hour...lol. GM has been living off its SUV's and the Hummer.....which now as you can see at the gas pump is not doing so well. GM is fucked. I was a die hard GM enthusiast and supported the 4thgen Z28 till the day I died but GM started a downhill spiral when they tried to increase the value of the z28. Ford kept the mustang in the range anyone could afford one and made it easy to modify so that people who wanted something more like the z28 could easily have ford bolt on performance parts without voiding the warrenty. Ford got smart quickly and GM buried its head up its ass.

Chrysler is looking at what people are trying to buy to save money, avengers and sebrings are still being bought used like there is no tomorrow. I cant blame them for considering another production run.

My guess: GM is hoping a contract merger would heighten sales, they could care less about their workers.

Terry

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
It will not happen. Was the same thing awhile back when Ford was trying to merge with GM.

And they still are, there’s been talks here recently for anyone watching the news. Hopefully it doesn’t happen.

I hate fords POS engines like the 4.6 they put in just about every gt mustang. If gm starts putting lsX’s in mustangs (if they merge), my pride of being a gm owner will be destroyed. Maybe we can see more turbocharged things like a combination of the old srt-4 and the cobalt merging.

They all make rental cars.

Like Terry said, the Vette is beyond the average Joe. Likewise with the Cadillac CTSV. The big 3 have been using trucks and SUVs to bankroll their forays into the exotic, supercar market; a market in which they do not belong.

I've heard that GM is trying to market the new CTSV against the M-class, AMG, and RS players on the high end luxury performance coupe market. The thing they seem to miss is that, while they might have a contender for that class, these other manufacturers trounce them on all other offerings. The European manufacturers build truly desirable cars with a fit and finish non-existent in all but the most premium of top-of-the-line American models. If I can't afford an M3, I can probably get into a 330i or even the 1-series, which brings with it the same level of style and grace, without the pure performance components. GM gives you the six-figure Vette or a cheap, plastic Cobalt. It's ugly and it's cheap.

You don't build a world class model if you can't be bothered with bringing the rest of your offerings out of the third world. Fuck 'em. Let Honda continue to be the only manufacturer in the US to turn a profit. Might be good to have Honda buy all three. Tell them all this pushrod, high displacement bullshit is over. 4 valves per cylinder, no more than 4L displacement, 7000rpm redline minimum.

Meh

What do you mean there is no middle class of GM?

Brand new Impala, Monte Carlo, Equinox, HHR, Uplander's in the range from $14-$25k. Then you have the Cobalts and Aveos for like $12-$16k. I am not sticking up for GM, but they have just as much to offer then any other company out there. Wait until the Camaro comes out, at a decent price, I gurantee they will sky rocket in sales.

Yes, Ford keeps the low end mustang at a reasonable price, but what about a cobra or whatever? You getting higher in price, like the Corvette is. The vette is deffinately over priced, but for any high end car, what do you want? You want to pay $30k for it? Never will happen.

gm is probably after chryslers flex manufacturing. i think chrysler and honda are the only ones with it.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Yes, Ford keeps the low end mustang at a reasonable price, but what about a cobra or whatever? You getting higher in price, like the Corvette is. The vette is deffinately over priced, but for any high end car, what do you want? You want to pay $30k for it? Never will happen.

You're completely missing Terry's point about the Corvette, Mike. GM has priced the ENTIRE Corvette line out of reach of the average American consumer while Ford's Mustang line has continued to cover the entire spectrum of price decade after decade.

The average consumer buys the nameplate, not the performance. Customer Joe Schmoe wants a sports car but is very much lower/middle class. What does he buy? Oh that's right, a Mustang. Consumers see vehicles in VERY narrow categories: Meh it's a car (mid size sedan), Sports car, SUV, Truck, Minivan and Econobox. Those are your nameplate categories and that's all people really choose from. After choosing their preferred category they start looking at the bottom of the price ladder.

As usual GM has completely missed the train. However, the big 3 need to get their collective heads out of their asses. Times are rough, getting rougher and frivolous spending on pointless vehicles is coming to a screeching halt.

Bottom line is, they depended on SUV's being a perpetual cash cow. The end to that was inevitable. They need to make more economical vehicles. The GM hummer is still madness IMO

Manufacturing anything that gets less than 18-20MPG (Short of a high-performance sports car) in this day in age is foolhardy, IMO.

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST Yes, Ford keeps the low end mustang at a reasonable price, but what about a cobra or whatever? You getting higher in price, like the Corvette is. The vette is deffinately over priced, but for any high end car, what do you want? You want to pay $30k for it? Never will happen.

You're completely missing Terry's point about the Corvette, Mike. GM has priced the ENTIRE Corvette line out of reach of the average American consumer while Ford's Mustang line has continued to cover the entire spectrum of price decade after decade. The average consumer buys the nameplate, not the performance. Customer Joe Schmoe wants a sports car but is very much lower/middle class. What does he buy? Oh that's right, a Mustang. Consumers see vehicles in VERY narrow categories: Meh it's a car (mid size sedan), Sports car, SUV, Truck, Minivan and Econobox. Those are your nameplate categories and that's all people really choose from. After choosing their preferred category they start looking at the bottom of the price ladder. As usual GM has completely missed the train. However, the big 3 need to get their collective heads out of their asses. Times are rough, getting rougher and frivolous spending on pointless vehicles is coming to a screeching halt.

I understand your points but my agrument is that there is a difference here IMO.

You buy a Mustang because its cheaper then a Corvette.

You buy a Corvette for its performance. Usually not just because you want a random Sports Car. Owners of Corvette;s, 8 out of 10 of them, buy them because they want a 'faster' sports car. My question is, if your in a lower class financial area, why would you be buying a high dollar car? Insurance on a vette is not cheap. Unless you are spending your money extremely wisely and only living low class in order to pay off your Corvette, fine. But if your low class and collecting money from the GVMT and trying to step foot in a vette, thats just rediculous.

I dont care what anyone tells me, I have my opinion. People buy Mustangs because they are cheaper, sound good, and can easily modify for a decent price since there are tons of manufacturer's out there for them. Others buy Corvettes for its STOCK performance and because, its a Corvette.

No you missed every point. what you think you got, you didnt. GM is going to get much worse.

Hedge makes a very good point too.

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
No you missed every point. what you think you got, you didnt. GM is going to get much worse. Hedge makes a very good point too.

I completely understand what the two of you are saying. But in my eye's, I am calling how I see it.

GM announced they are closing down their Janesville WI plant whixh builds the envoy yukon and another SUV. No surprise there!

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
No surprise there!

Color me completely shocked.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
I dont care what anyone tells me, I have my opinion.

I guess having an informed opinion is a little too much to handle, eh?

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST I dont care what anyone tells me, I have my opinion.

I guess having an informed opinion is a little too much to handle, eh?

You always like to drag shit out.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST

Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST I dont care what anyone tells me, I have my opinion.

I guess having an informed opinion is a little too much to handle, eh?

You always like to drag shit out.

Only for you, sweetie.

Originally posted by DR1665
If I can't afford an M3, I can probably get into a 330i or even the 1-series, which brings with it the same level of style and grace, without the pure performance components.

Speaking of BMW, had to take Maria's Mini to the dealer last Friday...the valve timing was fucked up so they had to reset the ECU and run some diagnostics (thank you 4 year warranty for no cost). Sat around for about 2 hours drooling over the showroom 1-series, M3, and M5's. I was looking at the M3 and one of the sales guys comes over asking me what I wanted to know and if I needed any help, I chuckled and said love these cars, but waaaaay out of my price range sir, thanks. hahaha. :D

hummers are wack. that is all.

I would love to shove the owners of hummers into the trunk of some 83 yugo and push it down a hill of rocks.

This is all fucking bullshit. It's just cerberus (The company that now owns Chrysler) tring to make flip a car company and get out with a huge payoff. This would effectively destroy Chrysler and I think it's fucking retarded. Chrysler makes the only 'Domestic' cars I would every buy. Yeah i said 'Domestic'.

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