Originally posted by DSMRoadster
OK. I've asked for this from the beginning of the thread and I we all knew religion was going to play a big part. There will be asbsolutely no personal attacks on members of this board. You want to prove that you're a mature and intellectual member than argue the facts and opinions. Name calling and patronizing is uncalled for. Find different ways to make your statment so that it doesn't attack the person, but rather the statement. Yes it is very possible to do so. Now let's get back on track. Same sex marriage is an abominiation in the bible. Although religion is the base for laws, their place in the courtroom is negated by logic. Morals vs logic and logic wins. Morals are put in the back burner and it's proven in Lawrence vs Texas (2003). So how do we decide what stays and what goes then? I have deep true convictions in my morals. There is no doubt about it that it spawns from my respect for the law that was bored by religion. I guess you can say that I'm a dying breed. A traditionalist.

Let's pay attention to this post guys, again, no name calling/making fun of others, no immature comments.


Now I know this isn't what the original thread was about, but the spinoff debate of whether you are born homosexual or whether you learn it is also a good topic and can definetly be incorporated.

In my opinion, you are born that way. I have a gay second cousin who said he always knew he was gay. DSMtuner1, IMO your case seems to fit this. I doubt the day you turned 18 your father decided he no longer liked women, I bet he fought with himself for years about his feelings and probably postponed leaving for your sake b/c he was a good responsible father who knew that it was his responsibility to care of you and he would not fail to fulfill that responsibility. Granted you know more about the situation than any of us, and he knows more about it than you. This post is not to illicit negative feelings or single you out, but it illustrates a very common scenario.

Now to relate this back to the original topic.... I don't feel that it's 'right' morally, but again being that I think you are born with or without a predisposition to being attracted to the same sex, I don't think those who are attracted to someone of the same sex should be penalized for it, they should be allowed to share in the same financial (and other) benefits that same sex couples who get married are allowed.

I'm also not one of those people who says 'they are born that way and there's something wrong with them that needs to be fixed' I don't think it's something that needs to be fixed we all have different features/personalities and everything else that differentiates us from one another. The last time someone decided those differences were reason enough to fix the human race millions of people were killed. You would think everyone would have learned that differences are not something you should try and fix or get rid of, just accept people for who they are.

One more thing to ponder (in a whole other direction) why does it seem women are more likely to have a same sex encounter than men?