K, the rubber is just about toast on the 18's, nobody wants to sell 14s around me for the price that i'm looking for (after all, i don't need them, that's why i sold mine at crackhead prices,) and if I'm going to spend the kind of money that people around here want for their 14's I might as well get a decent pair of alloys off another car or something, I know what the bolt pattern for our cars are 5 x 114.3, but I need to konw what other cars have this same bolt pattern? A neon? I got a dude willing to sell his stockers for 50 bucks but I don't feel like jacking up the cars and trying them on, so if anybody knows a list of cars taht will work, let me know!