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Topic subject3000GT Brake swap question
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18562, 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Ok i work at a autoparts store so i get everything really cheap. hears what im doing for the swap after i have 2 questions

i have a 1997 Dodge Avenger but as everyone knows its just like your cars

ok hear goes
FRONT
-97 3000gt SL front calipers
-Slotted Dimpled Rotors for a 97 3000GT SL(race concepts)
-Stainless Steel Brake lines(4 of them cuz of the Double piston) Now the part that connects the 2 steel lines(brake line connector) does that come with the stainless steel lines when i order it.
- 2 caliper Brakets
-4 EBC Green stuff pads( i had these before and loved them)

Rear (i am convtering to rear disck i have drums)
-2 Ebrake assembly Now i heard that the ebrake lines and everything come togeather as a single peice except for the Rotors of course and calipers(is this true)
-2 Stainless Steel Line
-2 Slotted Dimple Rotors
-2 Calipers
-4 EBC green Stuff pads

ok Hears the question
1.Ok if you where me and you had a great discount on parts would you also buy a 97 3000gt SL Master Cylinder and Brake Booster. or just the master cylinder
2. I heard that the fittings on the calipers are differnt is this true, dont forget im getting knew lines. Will the SS lines fit the stock line no problem
3. Am i all set LOL
4. Thank you for anyhelp you would be able to give

18564, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by MCubed45, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
why don't you just get GSX calipers then? from what i understand there were some fitment issues with the 3000gt calipers. something about a banjo bolt. like the SS lines for our cars don't bolt right up to the calipers from the 3000gt (i'm pretty sure it was that car). i just know that nothing bolts right up like the GSX calipers.

oh and even if it's dual piston you still only use one brake line per caliper... so 4 lines in all. one for each corner rather than one per piston.

sorry i can't really help you out with the rear... i kept my drums

idk 'bout the cylinders an stuff too. i think the GSX master cylinder was a little bigger than ours if i remember correctly.. not too sure 'bout the 3000gt. if it bolts up and is bigger then i don't see why not.

-marc

='95 RS 5spd Red=
Matrix CAI
A'pexi Turbo N1
Hanabi 8000k HID
SPAL Deluxe Power Windows
Nakayama GT5 17's
Ractive STB
GSX Calipers
AEM Rotors

255 is fricken short
18565, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Is thier any differecne in sizes between the 3000gt caliper and rotor then the GSX caliper and Rotor. LIke are they both 15inches and both dual piston calipers
18566, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by The1Bill, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
The 3000GT SL calipers bolt right up, but the lines are slightly different. The 3000GT (along with the 1G AWD DSM calipers) uses a screw in fitting, where the 2G style stuff (like an Avenger/Sebring or a 2GNT) uses banjo fittings. Simpl;e fix: washers. More complex fit: trim the end of the banjo bolt. Just cut a couple of the threads off. Then they fit. So, simply put, get whatever is easier to get. As for the lines, you only need one line per corner. The 1Gs have 2 soft lines in each corner. That's why their SS lines come with 2 lines per corner. Having a 2G platformed car, you need to get the 2G brake line kit.
-=B-=
18569, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
as far as the master cylinder goes, I believe the GSX has a 1.0" cylinder, whereas the rest of us got 15/16". Does it make that much of a difference? dunno, but maybe the 3kgt is bigger still? I would think so, but I'm no expert. :P
18571, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Right now im biggest questions is, is thier a difference between the GSX and 3000GT SL, cuz i can get them both at cheap prices and thier both avaible to me. I want to make this swap as easily as possible, but i want great breaking power for a decent price. So if the GT and GSX both have 15in rotors and dual piston calipers ill go for the GSX
18575, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by MCubed45, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
lol do you have any idea how fricken big 15" is?? that's not right.

stock front GSX rotors are like 10.75"
stock front RS/GS/GST rotors are 10"
idk 'bout 3000gt rotors.

i have 12.5" rotors in the front (aem big brake upgrade with GSX calipers). this barely fits under 17" rims. if i had 15" rotors i would need 19" or 20" rims :wary

-marc

='95 RS 5spd Red=
Matrix CAI
A'pexi Turbo N1
Hanabi 8000k HID
SPAL Deluxe Power Windows
Nakayama GT5 17's
Ractive STB
GSX Calipers
AEM Rotors

255 is fricken short
18576, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
sorry i heard they where 15 i was misinformed, i just want to find out if the 3000gt rotors and calipers are the same as the GST
18577, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Well i just had an idea im going to work today im just gonnna pull a 3000gt Rotor off the self and a GSX rotor off the self and see if they are the same
18578, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by gilee_8, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Sup man,
BTW, how much can you get those parts for?
My eclipse's front brake went out a week ago, and it's a perfect time for me to just upgrade them to GSX.

For your store, how much to get the:
1) GSX caliper?
2) GSX rotor?
3) GSX brake pad?
4) Are the brand new? or recondition to stock spec?

Thanks man.
I greatly apprecaited your input and help.
Gil:thumbsup
18579, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by Synthplaya, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Hey, Im going to be doin the swap too soon. Ive been really close to ordering and just getting all the stuff down. Here are the best prices I got:

$105.00 front rotors (brembo)
$85.00 rear rotors (Brembo)
$40.00 front pads (axxis)
$35.00 rear pads (axxis)
$85.00 ss lines

This is from race concepts. I am still deciding where to get the calipers though. I know autozone has em. Also Do I need the rear calipers to fit with the rear Gsx pads, or will the gsx pads fit in my calipers on my stock gst rears? Thanks
18580, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by gilee_8, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Well, I don't want to spend TOO much on the caliper..
I don't mind to be used, but I can't find any around my area.
DOES any of you guys have them?
I can guys them off from you man!
Gil
18587, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by MCubed45, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
autozone has 'em for like $60 each plus core charge. so if you can't give 'em your old caliper you'd pay about $240 for the pair. otherwise you can order from RRE for about $300 somethingish. there's more info in one've the other threads. i posted a link to the autozone page w/ the calipers. just search their site.
lol we made that damn sticky for a reason and yet there's like half a dozen threads on the conversion AGAIN. :P

-marc

='95 RS 5spd Red=
Matrix CAI
A'pexi Turbo N1
Hanabi 8000k HID
SPAL Deluxe Power Windows
Nakayama GT5 17's
Ractive STB
GSX Calipers
AEM Rotors

255 is fricken short
18590, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Ok im back LOL well at work i went into the computer and the 3000gt and the GSX Rotors have the same Part Number so thier the same. Then i looked up the Pads. Guess what thier the same too. Then i looked up the Calipers. Thier Different but if they use the same pad they cant be that much off. So im just gonna do a GSX converion on my car. To make things easier

At my Job i get 20% off. which doesnt sound like much but when your paying 60 for a caliper. I can get it for 48 Bucks. but i dont get a discoutn on core charges. I would say hey ill buy your parts for you but then after shipping i think it would come to about even. Hey ill do it. Its no problem with me but im not sure how cost effective it is.

See it pays to work at a parts place!
18600, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by gilee_8, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Sup guys... THanks for the reply.
Well, sice it's only $60 anyway, so, I will just go for it in Autozone.
But I have a question.
About the core price.
Do I have to go find a GSX dual piston caliper and give it to them???
What consider as a good core?
Can I just give them my stock GS single piston caliper as the core, and I get the GSX one from Autozone???

Thanks guys.
Gil:thumbsup
18601, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I say just stick it in the box and dont say anythihng, and hopefully they wont notice
18607, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by gilee_8, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
SO, they officially WON"T accept the GS for the GSX ??
Thanks.
Gil
18611, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by darosa4561, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
i didnt ask my boss but ill find out for you
18613, RE: 3000GT Brake swap question
Posted by gilee_8, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Thanks man.
Hit me back about the result.
Coz right now, I only have 3 brakes ..and it's kinda FUCKED up to drive.
So I want to change to GSX asap so I can have 4 brakes again.
Thanks
Gil
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