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Topic subjectThe $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
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18406, The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I suggest people who arn't buying the complete rear camber kit to buy the Ingalls $25 (shipped price) spacer kit. It consists of 16x2 thick, beefy, grade 10.9 washers, w/ proper seating area that ones from a hardware store DON'T provide, and 4x2 perfect sized grade 10.9 locking bolts.

I installed the kit yesterday and my camber is perfect (I'm on Eibach Sportlines ~2 inch drop, once settled).

Here is a link...
http://www.iapdirect.com/item.asp?invid=66

It says it only adjusts up to 1 degree, this is incorrect, it adjusts up to 2 degrees, each washer adjusts the camber by .5 degrees (everything is stated in the instructions), also the washers that come w/ the kit are waaaay thicker than the ones shown in that picture. It comes w/ detailed instructions w/ all the torque specs and everything.

Anyone else who's got this kit can vouch for me, using those small washers is dangerous.
18407, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by SpreadEagle, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Good stuff, thanks for the link. Do you have to order 2 kits to do both sides?


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18412, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Nope, the $25 is for both sides (for the rear).
18421, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by EclipsedGS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
so you could buy this instead of buying the $100 rear camber kit? Or does this have to be used with the rear camber kit?


Luke
18422, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Instead =] $25 and your done.

The only difference between the $87 (or however much it is) ingalls rear camber kit is that it comes w/ new brackets (which are expensive peices), but it still uses the washer kit to adjust.
18423, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Remember, you still need to get your car aligned after dropping your car and correcting the camber, the extreme toe will eventually get you in an accident.
18427, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by EclipsedGS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
yeah, the car got aligned after it was dropped and I'll have it realigned after the camber kit is on. Another thing, is the camber kit a basic thing to install or should I just let the shop install it and align it? Thanks

Luke
18441, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
It's a peice of cake to do if you have a nice variety of sockets, rachet wrenches, closed-end wrenches, extensions, wd-40, a breaker bar, and torque wrench.

If you put your springs on you can definately put the camber kits on.

The back one took longer because to "properly do it" you have to take off the spindle (3 bolts), which is easy to do with the wheel off, unbolt the spindle brackets, put the spacers on, then torque the spindle bolts back up once you put on the spacers (so the spindle sits correctly on the bushings w/ the new camber). It's much easier than I just made that sound.

The front takes less time because you *don't* remove the wheels, because you have a work surface to rest the spindle on (it swivels if you don't take off spindle to control arm ball joint).

Step by step instructions are included in all the Ingalls kits, including torque amounts.
18445, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by EclipsedGS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
alright easy enough. I have the tools for everything so it shouldnt be bad. thanks for the help.



Luke
18452, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by Doug96GS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Sweet I just ordered one :thumbsup

No more bad camber!!
18476, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I got my car aligned this morning, and they fine tuned the camber by subtracting some of the washer's I didn't need. Sears has this Ingalls kit in there computer at their aligning stations.
18479, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by Doug96GS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I know that you have sportlines, but how many washers do you think I should use for my prokit?
18493, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
It won't need more than 2 washers per bolt.

If you use less than 3 washers you're suppose to use the stock bolts.

I recommend putting 2 on each for the prokits and then have the alignment shop remove any if/where needed.
18533, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by Doug96GS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I got it in the mail yesterday and ill be putting it on tommorrow or monday. I'll start with 2 washers on each bolt and see how it looks.
28048, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
3 washers at each bolt put it almost in the very middle of spec (i'm on sportlines).

Got an email, asking how many to put w/ sportlines, didn't check the date on the above post ^^^, but now everyone knows.
28066, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by eclipseman1999, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Whats the difference between that kit or the 5$ one that is bolts and washers just like that one
28077, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by eclipseman1999
Whats the difference between that kit or the 5$ one that is bolts and washers just like that one

The strength of the bolts/washers.

Also, something to note about the washers in the ingalls kit, they are THICK (each washer adjusts about .4-.5* camber), zinc plated, aircraft grade washers. They won't flex under load, so your bolts don't experience bending (which would fatigue and break them).

These camber spacers are significantly more stressed than your STOCK bolts. Do you feel fine increasing the stress on the bolts over stock, and decreasing the strength over stock at the same time (what happens when you use Home Depot bolts).
28081, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by injendsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by WickedESi
I got my car aligned this morning, and they fine tuned the camber by subtracting some of the washer's I didn't need. Sears has this Ingalls kit in there computer at their aligning stations.


so can sears order the kit or can they just align the car with that kit on there? i dont think that question even makes sense but hopefully you will understand what im getting at.
28082, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I think Sear can order Ingalls products, but I bet it won't be as cheap as you could get it online from the link I posted.
28094, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by injendsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by WickedESi
I think Sear can order Ingalls products, but I bet it won't be as cheap as you could get it online from the link I posted.


i wouldnt think so. would they be able to install it?
28096, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by WickedESi, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Yeah you wouldn't think. But they have them in there computers, part numbers, instructions on how to use them, etc... They can install them, but it will probably cost extra (not for the rear spacer kit, but for the front). I was charged any extra for them to adjust mine.
28102, RE: The $25 INGALLS proper camber adjustment
Posted by injendsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by WickedESi
Yeah you wouldn't think. But they have them in there computers, part numbers, instructions on how to use them, etc... They can install them, but it will probably cost extra (not for the rear spacer kit, but for the front). I was charged any extra for them to adjust mine.


as long as they can install it, i dont mind paying for it. i just dont have any tools really at my apt and the people at the apt complex office dont allow anyone to work on their cars in the parking lot.
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