well I'll tell you this good pads are good to have. When I got my metal masters I was very satisfied. I think the first brake upgrade you should do is to get better pads. With racing pads on stock rotors you can make your car a stopping monster. Haha I learned that leason when I put these crap mitsu pads on I should bought some race pads instead, but i do notice less fade most the slots and the drills help and the fact that the rotor is bigger and the pads contact patch is larger it helps. But it doesn't bite as hard as my metal masters did :(