i think next up was the boost control. just checking to see how it is all coming out. what all can u control now besides fuel, ignition,i think knock? thanks for the update i will be ready



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Yes Mr. Slick, I've been waiting anxiosly for my MS since two month ago. Please get back to me.

There are quite a few people working on the boost controller part of the MSnS code. I'll probably be trying it out once I get mine built. If I'm lucky I'll have mine working on the stimulator tonight or tomorrow.

Don't forget that the whole MS thing is *experimental* and quite DIY - if you're looking for something to plug in and have it work instantly like a S-AFC you shouldn't be buying a MS.

EDIT: For the latest (and best) MSnS information, look on msefi.com

i can do some things, but i am wanting to get it with all the options from slick, he seems to be a stand up guy so i think he will guide me. im just trying to get the car to the paint booth and then its time to crank her up.
thanks ner for info keep me posted.

Howdy.

Basically an update of what I'm running on my Ms setup right now:

Complete fuel control
Complete ignition control, spark is now under MS control.
300kpa MAP sensor, good for 29psi.
Boost controller, still finishding hooking this up.
Launch control, tested, sure is fun :)
Nitrous control, just gotta fill up a tank to actually test it :)
Nitrous anti-lag, see above...
3 stage shiftlight.
EGT input

Things that I am still working on testing are:
Knock detection
Electronic BOV feature that I came up with ;)

And a few other things that I forget right now...
If anyone has any questions, hit me up.

TXTurboGs, you got PM. :thumbsup

Originally posted by MrSlick
Howdy. Basically an update of what I'm running on my Ms setup right now: Complete fuel control Complete ignition control, spark is now under MS control. 300kpa MAP sensor, good for 29psi. Boost controller, still finishding hooking this up. Launch control, tested, sure is fun :) Nitrous control, just gotta fill up a tank to actually test it :) Nitrous anti-lag, see above... 3 stage shiftlight. EGT input Things that I am still working on testing are: Knock detection Electronic BOV feature that I came up with ;) And a few other things that I forget right now... If anyone has any questions, hit me up. TXTurboGs, you got PM. :thumbsup

Badass. You know my situation running the 75shot. I'm really excited about the N20 controls. w000t!

Originally posted by JWoodley

Originally posted by MrSlick Howdy. Basically an update of what I'm running on my Ms setup right now: Complete fuel control Complete ignition control, spark is now under MS control. 300kpa MAP sensor, good for 29psi. Boost controller, still finishding hooking this up. Launch control, tested, sure is fun :) Nitrous control, just gotta fill up a tank to actually test it :) Nitrous anti-lag, see above... 3 stage shiftlight. EGT input Things that I am still working on testing are: Knock detection Electronic BOV feature that I came up with ;) And a few other things that I forget right now... If anyone has any questions, hit me up. TXTurboGs, you got PM. :thumbsup

Badass. You know my situation running the 75shot. I'm really excited about the N20 controls. w000t!

Good job lee, keep it up..You are the man...

WAITE, WHAT!? Electronic BOV??? oh no...lol What the hell does that do???


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EGT input...cool

electric BOV? opens the BOV based on TPS postion I bet. neat idea...but really usuful? other than a cool feature?

*edit* how many things can this little guy handle before it starts slowing down?

Originally posted by micyek
EGT input...cool electric BOV? opens the BOV based on TPS postion I bet. neat idea...but really usuful? other than a cool feature? *edit* how many things can this little guy handle before it starts slowing down?

Your pretty much on target with the BOV thing... I don't know if it's usefull or not, but will stop the BOV from opening at idle and low rpm/no boost situations... so it's worth a try.

And the MS is still goign strong, although it's pretty much out of RAM... :) So not really any more features that can be added...

Originally posted by MrSlick
And the MS is still goign strong, although it's pretty much out of RAM... :) So not really any more features that can be added...

So go down to Best Buy and buy some more RAM, like two 128 SDRAM ought to do it

Originally posted by Keith2172

Originally posted by MrSlick And the MS is still goign strong, although it's pretty much out of RAM... :) So not really any more features that can be added...

So go down to Best Buy and buy some more RAM, like two 128 SDRAM ought to do it

LMAO, thats pretty funny :)

yea and just weld the ram to the megasquirt box and call it a day!

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by micyek EGT input...cool electric BOV? opens the BOV based on TPS postion I bet. neat idea...but really usuful? other than a cool feature? *edit* how many things can this little guy handle before it starts slowing down?

Your pretty much on target with the BOV thing... I don't know if it's usefull or not, but will stop the BOV from opening at idle and low rpm/no boost situations... so it's worth a try. And the MS is still goign strong, although it's pretty much out of RAM... :) So not really any more features that can be added...

Can't you order the microprocess with more memory? I found a few microprocessors that are relatively cheap that are a bit faster, more memory, with 10-bit (as opposed to MS's 8-bit) inputs, so accuracy will be a little more precise. I was thinking about trying to convert part of the MS code over and use a different microprocessor that can handle a little bit more (was a 40mhz chip as opposed to the 32mhz they currently use.) I have a bit more research to do before I start ordering parts and designing on a breadboard, but hopefully I can get it working with ports, ram, and speed to spare. I see that they have a gcc port, so that is a possibility for ease of converting.


There are a few similar, but this is the one i'm currently looking into:
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1335&dDocName=en010283

I believe that the processor used for the MS2 and the UMS will take care of the memory shortage...?

Originally posted by ner947
I believe that the processor used for the MS2 and the UMS will take care of the memory shortage...?

Yepper.

Hopefully my db37 cable comes today so I can install my MS. I got just about everything ready to go. Just need to tap in the coolant temp sensor.

Originally posted by Ready4Dis

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by micyek EGT input...cool electric BOV? opens the BOV based on TPS postion I bet. neat idea...but really usuful? other than a cool feature? *edit* how many things can this little guy handle before it starts slowing down?

Your pretty much on target with the BOV thing... I don't know if it's usefull or not, but will stop the BOV from opening at idle and low rpm/no boost situations... so it's worth a try. And the MS is still goign strong, although it's pretty much out of RAM... :) So not really any more features that can be added...

Can't you order the microprocess with more memory? I found a few microprocessors that are relatively cheap that are a bit faster, more memory, with 10-bit (as opposed to MS's 8-bit) inputs, so accuracy will be a little more precise. I was thinking about trying to convert part of the MS code over and use a different microprocessor that can handle a little bit more (was a 40mhz chip as opposed to the 32mhz they currently use.) I have a bit more research to do before I start ordering parts and designing on a breadboard, but hopefully I can get it working with ports, ram, and speed to spare. I see that they have a gcc port, so that is a possibility for ease of converting. There are a few similar, but this is the one i'm currently looking into: http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1335&dDocName=en010283

The way it works is the current Ms processor used, has run out of RAM in which to assign more variables... most of the code is just run from the ROM, but all variables must be put into the RAM.
All this means is theres not much room for any more features... but, the current code is VERY flexable... with 4 user definable outputs... as well as some spare inputs that can be used for things like Traction control, or EGT or fuel pressure monitoring... things like that.

The next version of MS, called MS-II, will have 4 time the RAM... so if we convert the msns-extra code over to that, then we can start adding more stuff... but the cirrent list of features is very extensive.

Also, the MS only actually runs at 8Mhz... ;)

If anyone has any more questions.. feel free to ask.

slick i have an avcr and i have glassed a hole in the dash for it. can i still use it with the ms? just not the ms boost control, or will it help it out also? traction control would be a good thing. especially if we are running hi psi
definately interesting. thanks for you time in developing it for the 2g and for the time to respond to my questions even if they may seem silly.

Originally posted by widebodyeclipse
slick i have an avcr and i have glassed a hole in the dash for it. can i still use it with the ms? just not the ms boost control, or will it help it out also? traction control would be a good thing. especially if we are running hi psi definately interesting. thanks for you time in developing it for the 2g and for the time to respond to my questions even if they may seem silly.

Not silly questions... and nice to finally see a pic of your car in your sig!

Anyway, yeah you can still have the boost controlled the same way you have it. That's no problem.

The traction control is under development... but in theory could use the stock ABS sensors if so equiped on your car...

damn shes an rs guess thats out the window, oh well. u did get the knock monitor figured out? after the first i should get this thing out to the paint booth and they i will definately be hookin up with u. thanks for the help

Originally posted by widebodyeclipse
damn shes an rs guess thats out the window, oh well. u did get the knock monitor figured out? after the first i should get this thing out to the paint booth and they i will definately be hookin up with u. thanks for the help

Yeah Mine's an RS too... :)

But I have a theory that the Tranny speed sensor could be used as the driven wheel's sensor... and that the adition of one ABS wheel bearing and sensor on one rear wheel would work :)

The code stuff for knock detection is in place, and the hardware is deisgned... I just haven't tested it yet :)

Originally posted by MrSlick
The traction control is under development... but in theory could use the stock ABS sensors if so equiped on your car...

so basically the traction control would only work when braking :wary...how does traction loss while accelerating have anything to do with a abs sensor? im confoozled

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by MrSlick The traction control is under development... but in theory could use the stock ABS sensors if so equiped on your car...

so basically the traction control would only work when braking :wary...how does traction loss while accelerating have anything to do with a abs sensor? im confoozled

LMAO.. that's pretty funny :)

OK, here's how it works...

The ABS sensors are just Vehicle Speed Sensors on each wheel...
By comparing one of the driven wheels, to one of the undriven wheels (comparing the speed, and accel) you can see if your losing traction on the driven wheels.. and do something about it :)

You can retard the ignition, and reduce boost if you have boost control...
also possible are other things.. ;)

nooo shit :P i didnt know how ABS sensors worked :thumbsup

learn somethin new everyday

edit: nevermind i understand now :)

Originally posted by turbo8u
nooo shit :P i didnt know how ABS sensors worked :thumbsup learn somethin new everyday

Aparently they're configured toi produce 8000 pulses per mile :)
Not sure if that's true or not... ;)

But yeah that's pretty much how ABS works... you compare the speed of each wheel... if one or all are getting close to locking up, as determined by the rate of decel, and the speed, then the system compensates for this by doing the old ABS on-off pressure trickery... ;)

cool shit. slick r u sure your not form another planet?? :) jk
the stuff u come up with is great. i would like the trac control. man i need to save up my lunch money.

Very sweet. As soon as I get my block back My MSnS will be getting installed controlling a 2.5L. I cannot wait to start the install.

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction)
www.cnnmotorsports.com

ya, good shit. i just took a trip with my car from south florida to chicago. and places inbetween. and the ms worked fine the whole way. so its def a good choice to go with. mine only controls the fuel so far, but while im up here, im thinking on adding the spark control also. slick, ya gonna have to send me the link to that page again.

Anyways, the cpu used in MS uses 512 bytes of ram, while the CPU I linked has ~4k, so about 8 times as much. It runs on a 10mhz bus, but the cpu itself runs at 40mhz (4x clock multiplier). I was under the impression that the MS cpu used an 8mhz bus with a 4x multiplier (so 32mhz total), but am not that familiar with the cpu offhand. I am sure it has 8 8-bit analog inputs, while the CPU I am looking at has 10 10-bit, which may be overkill, but hey, more never hurts ;). I know the CPU used in the MS is far superior to most common standalone CPU's, so it is in no way a bad unit! I will hopefully be designing a circuit for this cpu in the near future and see what I can do about porting some of the MS code or rewrite it from scratch to do what I need. Anyways, if it falls through, I may be looking for you to get an MS setup that way I know it comes complete and ready to go/do what I need.

Originally posted by Ready4Dis
Anyways, the cpu used in MS uses 512 bytes of ram, while the CPU I linked has ~4k, so about 8 times as much. It runs on a 10mhz bus, but the cpu itself runs at 40mhz (4x clock multiplier). I was under the impression that the MS cpu used an 8mhz bus with a 4x multiplier (so 32mhz total), but am not that familiar with the cpu offhand. I am sure it has 8 8-bit analog inputs, while the CPU I am looking at has 10 10-bit, which may be overkill, but hey, more never hurts ;). I know the CPU used in the MS is far superior to most common standalone CPU's, so it is in no way a bad unit! I will hopefully be designing a circuit for this cpu in the near future and see what I can do about porting some of the MS code or rewrite it from scratch to do what I need. Anyways, if it falls through, I may be looking for you to get an MS setup that way I know it comes complete and ready to go/do what I need.

Well the MS code is written entirelly in Assembly Language... so unless you get a cpu from the same familly... it would need a total re-write :)

The MS-II code however is in C... but msns-extra hasn't been ported to it yet... so no 420A crank decoder exists for the MS-II yet...

I'm running MS, with the msns-extra code... that's how we get the cool shit.

i want the cool shit :)

i got warm shit :shrug...you guys are weird

Originally posted by widebodyeclipse
i want the cool shit :)

I've ordered the cool shit. Seems to me it just keeps getting cooler. :thumbsup

looks as though this is a big topic. slick hope u can handle all the revenue from it :) hows the bov control goin?

Originally posted by widebodyeclipse
looks as though this is a big topic. slick hope u can handle all the revenue from it :) hows the bov control goin?

:)
Haven't had time to mess this last week... ;)

Mr Slick. I need to hear from you, you have a PM.

Mr Slick you have another pm.