First of all, after researching all this shit, i wanna say im sold on it, this is the only thing all these threads but no pics.

lets see some pics of the install

pics of the setup

pics of the software running

what size injectors are u guys running?

lets get more marketing info!

and is there a website dedicated to the ms that i cant find?

http://www.megasquirt.info/
http://www.msefi.com/




Install pictures... umm just imagine that box with wires coming from it.

Secondary injectors, huh?

This info was taken from a thread 15 down.

Originally posted by widebodied
what size injectors are u guys running? primary and secondary.

It's not an 8-injector setup, though it can be used as such. It controls a set of primaries, and your stock ECU just throws a cel for the injector circuit ;-)

It can also do ignition control with the right software and minor hardware modifications.

The cool thing about MS is you don’t need stupid 8 injectors, you have a stand four injectors, at a stock static Fuel Pressure of 43.5 psi

You can have whatever injectors you want in your car, that’s what so great. I chose 415cc injectors, because that’s what I had around. I no Mr Slick has like 750cc!

Pics of the set up? Uh, just a box bro...No Pics to really take,

Take a look and www.megasquirt.info

Everything you need!!

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I am so buying this when I build my block next week.


1996 Eclipse RS / 5-Speed / Aerogear Body / Coated in Magnetic Red Metallic rev.2 / T3 Turbo Intercooled @ 8 psi / More at http://home.insightbb.com/~eclipse2nr/
Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

i have the ms with 780cc.

Originally posted by xtrickedeclipsex
The cool thing about MS is you don’t need stupid 8 injectors, you have a stand four injectors

The EIC is a very good setup and worthy of respect. The MS certainly has some great functionality and in terms of total control is superior,but i wouldn't go calling the 034 stupid. Different strokes for different folks.

Lee has said in many threads that the MS is not for everyone and has some level of complexity so to the average BANME! that may is very intimidating. I've been boosting 20psi through my stupid 8 inj's for quite some time now.

It should be noted i will more than likely be investing in the MS once the setup is perfected but had it not come around i probably wouldn't have second guessed the eic.

Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt

Originally posted by xtrickedeclipsex The cool thing about MS is you don’t need stupid 8 injectors, you have a stand four injectors

The EIC is a very good setup and worthy of respect. The MS certainly has some great functionality and in terms of total control is superior,but i wouldn't go calling the 034 stupid. Different strokes for different folks. Lee has said in many threads that the MS is not for everyone and has some level of complexity so to the average BANME! that may is very intimidating. I've been boosting 20psi through my stupid 8 inj's for quite some time now. It should be noted i will more than likely be investing in the MS once the setup is perfected but had it not come around i probably wouldn't have second guessed the eic.

Here here.. :cheers

Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt

Originally posted by xtrickedeclipsex The cool thing about MS is you don’t need stupid 8 injectors, you have a stand four injectors

The EIC is a very good setup and worthy of respect. The MS certainly has some great functionality and in terms of total control is superior,but i wouldn't go calling the 034 stupid. Different strokes for different folks. Lee has said in many threads that the MS is not for everyone and has some level of complexity so to the average BANME! that may is very intimidating. I've been boosting 20psi through my stupid 8 inj's for quite some time now. It should be noted i will more than likely be investing in the MS once the setup is perfected but had it not come around i probably wouldn't have second guessed the eic.

Hey man, no hard feelings on the 8-injector set up…I didn’t mean to come off as bashing it or anything...But that’s not my stroke, if you no what im saying lol :cheers
I was kinda playing around when I said it…
my bad :thumbsup

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LOL. Hey xtrickedeclipsex, I'm gonna buy a megasquirt in the next couple of weeks as soon as I make sure my head is okay (I will also be ordering a full bottom end kit and a new clutch). I have been reading the MegaManual for the past couple of days. I was wondering about a couple things.

What required fuel number did you get the car running with? What size injectors? How many injections per iginition cycle do we use? Alternating or simultanious injector staging? Did your megasquirt come with the 255 kpa map sensor? Does our stock idle air controller work with the megasquirt? Do you have to tune the VE table to get the car to idle, or is that afterwards? What cranking pulsewidths did you set? How did you set up the afterstart enrichment?

Pardon all my questions, but it would be EXTREMELY useful for us to be able to make a sticky thread or writeup on how to get started with the megasquirt, specifically tailored to our engines.

Thanks for the help.


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I supplied X with a basemap with all the setting sin it that you are asking about ;)

For his basemap for his 425cc injectors I think they are the settings were pretty much as follows:

Req Fuel: 11ms
Squirts per cycle: 2
Squirt method: Alternating

For my 780cc injectors the settings are the same apart from the req fuel:
Req Fuel: 6.2ms

The two settings also have different VE tables.
Give me a day or two and I'll upload pics of all the settings and some default basemaps that will start any 2gnt right up ;)

AS far as idle control, the way I've been doing it and the way I recommend is to let the stock pcm control the stock IAC... this works perfectly... better than stock actually ;)

Any other questions you've got?

Just noticed your other questions. AS per the basemap supplied to X by me:

Priming pulse: 2.0ms
Cranking PW at -40f: 12.0ms
Cranking PW at 170f: 4.0ms

The warmup enrichments were set by me when I tuned my previous MS setups... They aren't perfect, but they start the car up in every weather condition I've had to start it in so far... ;)

Once I'm back from CA I'm going to be doing a lot of tuning work because I have to retune the car for the new 12x12 VE map that I have now ;) Shhhh, it's not released yet or even official :)

Awesome. I am so psyched about learning this stuff. I really think this is going to work out great for all of us.


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Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

MrSlick,

Megasquirt looks awesome. I am researching potential fuel setups for next summer when I am actually going to upgrade (yes, I like to thoroughly research). Does MS come preassembled when ordering from you (ie: all components soldered on the "motherboard" etc.)? And as far as installation goes, do you simply splice into the sensors/injectors?

You've got me extremely excited about this setup :).

Originally posted by davo345
MrSlick, Megasquirt looks awesome. I am researching potential fuel setups for next summer when I am actually going to upgrade (yes, I like to thoroughly research). Does MS come preassembled when ordering from you (ie: all components soldered on the "motherboard" etc.)? And as far as installation goes, do you simply splice into the sensors/injectors? You've got me extremely excited about this setup :).

Howdy,

Yes the MS you get from me is fully assembled, and comes with a basemap for your setup.

It doesn't come with a harness though, just the harness connector. You need to make the harness but it's not hard...
I am looking at producing a harness also that will make it very simple to install... just cut and splice a few wires like you say. ;)

Do we have to tell you what kind of setup we're running like boost, injector size, turbo, etc? Or all the base maps all the same for everyone?

Originally posted by er0ckz
Do we have to tell you what kind of setup we're running like boost, injector size, turbo, etc? Or all the base maps all the same for everyone?

Each map will be different, and will be based on application. Injector size is the main deal here, so say you have 550’s, you will get a base map for 550’s, a base map for 440 would be very different. Im sure he will factor in turbo size, but CFM flow etc etc is all different for each car. That part is more were you come in on the tuning, finding the lean spots, giving it more fuel. The base map will get your car running nice, then you can fine tune to perfection!

Hope this helps, im a little out of it, tooo much lexapro for me...ekk i feel strange
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A "base" map will allow the car to start and idle. Beyond that, you're pretty much on your own. That's the real bitch - never expect to get a "base" map from anyone from this kind of setup and have it work perfectly on your setup. It won't.

A wideband O2 is the only way that I would reccomend using this system from what I've read. I'm getting a wideband for mine...


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Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

I've spent all weekend reading up on this MS. It is truly cake |(and wonderful cake at that!) And for a lot of you who really only need the fuel portion at this point, it's even easier. Already familiar with the use of an air temp sensor and coolant temp sensors (in place), along with using a suitable tps and then later incorporating a MAP that sees boost, I'm disappointed I didn't go this way initially. Really, a lot of the stuff reminds me of the 034EFI with it's simialr use of a map, albeit with a smaller 8 x 8 matrix.

I'll be SO using this with my 240sx setup. With a distrubutor already in place for my 240sx, I'll be able to have full control of my ignition as well, with an iginition map based off of boost and rpm. I'm so stoked.

If I were going 420a still, I'd merely get one of those unorthodox crank pulleys, and have a timing wheel bolted on to the side (or get one machined on) with a suitable crank sensor and go to town. Megsquirt N' EDIS is virtually the same as the Megasquirt N' Spark I'll be using. Each merely uses the Fast Idle output of the MS fuel controller which is unuseable in most setups anyways, and uses that to fire your coil. It's really that simple.

The only reason you can't use your current crank position sensor (and I know MrSlick is working towards this) is because Chrysler decided to use such a f'ed up crank timing pattern.

Originally posted by JasonESi_T
The only reason you can't use your current crank position sensor (and I know MrSlick is working towards this) is because Chrysler decided to use such a f'ed up crank timing pattern.

It works. His MS is reading his RPM input off the factory crank angle sensor. You just have to get the "enhanced" code.

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by JasonESi_T The only reason you can't use your current crank position sensor (and I know MrSlick is working towards this) is because Chrysler decided to use such a f'ed up crank timing pattern.

It works. His MS is reading his RPM input off the factory crank angle sensor. You just have to get the "enhanced" code.

Damn straight...

I've been running the car for pretty much the last week with the Crank Sensor giving the MS all the info... It hasn't been running the spark just yet, but it's been running the fuel off the crank sensor... seems to work fine up to the 7000 rpm I've tested it at so far :+

Some more works needs done, I need to do more testing once I get back from CA, then I'll be doing actual spark testing.

Oh, and the EDIS system has one drawback when compared to the squirt'n'spark system, that is you cannot drop spark with the EDIS setup... this makes it hard to do a good launch control system... but the with 'spark' code, which the 'extra' code is based on, you can drop spark... ;)

Oh, and the 12x12 fuel tables work now!

I was just driving my car today with 12x12 fuel tables! :)

Originally posted by MrSlick
Oh, and the 12x12 fuel tables work now! I was just driving my car today with 12x12 fuel tables! :)

You're the man!

You WILL be making my box too man. With all the work you've done, I wouldn't want my money going anywhere else.

Are you also making up some relay boards? I'll need that MS N' Spark preloaded for me obviously! (I know I can DL that separately)

I think it's time to put together a site for FAQ's, pics and an orderform, man...the orders will be coming in big for this, I'm quite sure.

Stage 3? Stage 4? hahahah This is like Stage 12.5+!

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by JasonESi_T The only reason you can't use your current crank position sensor (and I know MrSlick is working towards this) is because Chrysler decided to use such a f'ed up crank timing pattern.

It works. His MS is reading his RPM input off the factory crank angle sensor. You just have to get the "enhanced" code.

uh...wow. :thumbsup

No excuses now. I mean...just an example of a sweet feature this thing has, it can run CLOSED loop fuel control as well as switch to open loop when you get into boost. (+95 kPa...that terminology sound familiar 034 efi guys?)

Heck, get a knock box, and a WB, and you can tune it to the edge.

I'm flabbergasted by what this setup offers.

The sky really is the limit with this. Not only will turbo setups be SO much more enhanced with the MS, this will make it possible for folks to consider running much higher compression ratios, and even individual TB's. I'm talking 12:1 CR's for people, and 30 psi for other people. sheesh.

I'm sure most are just a little intimidated by the wiring and the DIY nature of this project. But with the units already pre-made, you're seriously looking at just a few necessary connections and you'll be off and running. It should be as easy to hook this in as it would be to hook in a SAFC or something similar.

I think once someone puts together a page with pictures, diagrams, and further explanation 420a-specific, the days of silly $1000-3000 standalones, FMU's, and other piggybacks will be over. Why? Cause the MS costs less, has more features, more documentation, and now with customization already done to read the CPS...man.

FWD 4g63 guys better look out. DSMlink...pssht.

I'm going to be working on my install guide this week...
I'll be away in Los Angelese on business so I'll have some time to get that stuff done.

Oh yeah, and the new 'extra' code can do Closed Loop O2 using a wideband... I've been running that latelly too... but I've yet to test it under boost... but I have the turbo rebuilt now so once I get back from CA... it's gonna be an intensive week of MS testing.

I'm also thinking about offering a complete wiring harness for the MS... so you'll just have to cut and splice a few wires and you'll be good to go! Does that sound like something people would be interested in? ;)

Originally posted by MrSlick
I'm going to be working on my install guide this week... I'll be away in Los Angelese on business so I'll have some time to get that stuff done. Oh yeah, and the new 'extra' code can do Closed Loop O2 using a wideband... I've been running that latelly too... but I've yet to test it under boost... but I have the turbo rebuilt now so once I get back from CA... it's gonna be an intensive week of MS testing. I'm also thinking about offering a complete wiring harness for the MS... so you'll just have to cut and splice a few wires and you'll be good to go! Does that sound like something people would be interested in? ;)

Only if you like money. ;-)

Originally posted by JasonESi_T
I'm sure most are just a little intimidated by the wiring and the DIY nature of this project. But with the units already pre-made, you're seriously looking at just a few necessary connections and you'll be off and running. It should be as easy to hook this in as it would be to hook in a SAFC or something similar. I think once someone puts together a page with pictures, diagrams, and further explanation 420a-specific, the days of silly $1000-3000 standalones, FMU's, and other piggybacks will be over.

Yes, this would be incredible. This is what would eleviate so much paranoia and stress over MS. This is the ONLY thing that is from making my decision beween MS and PF.

im sold, 800cc injectors here i come

im not sure if theres been much talk on running big injectors and what u need to support the fuel.

any reccomended pumps? fmus? fuel line size?

Originally posted by widebodied
im sold, 800cc injectors here i come

I am little confused when it comes to injector control with this system. As far as fuel pressures go, how could one possibly run a normal idle at 43 psi of fuel with 800cc injectors? The system says it returns the fuel pressures back to normal...i just dont see how it would work....

..i think i am missing something :shrug

The MS controls the amount of injected fuel by injector pulse width instead of by fuel pressure.

Example: using 440cc injectors while the stock ECU only has limited adjustability of injector pulse width forces you to lower the fuel pressure so that less fuel is injected. If you didn't lower the fuel pressure, too much fuel would be injected and the engine wouldn't run. With the MS, you can run 43.5 PSI (or whatever you choose) fuel pressure and shorten the injector pulse width to inject the right amount of fuel.

wow. impressive.

Make that harness MrSlick, and you are going to be a rich man. I'm buying it anyway. I ain't scared of making a 12 wires harness or whatever. Thats simple. I absolutely can't wait to get this thing on my freshly built block.


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mrslick, your pumping 780cc injects, what are your supporting fuel mods

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

Originally posted by widebodied
mrslick, your pumping 780cc injects, what are your supporting fuel mods DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

I have a Walbro 255 intank fuel pump and Accel Inline fuel pump with mine and plan to run higher than 720cc's etc. also vortech sfmu, but I think the Aeromotive 1:1 fpr is prolly better for the MS.

Originally posted by Initial DSM

Originally posted by widebodied mrslick, your pumping 780cc injects, what are your supporting fuel mods DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

I have a Walbro 255 intank fuel pump and Accel Inline fuel pump with mine and plan to run higher than 720cc's etc. also vortech sfmu, but I think the Aeromotive 1:1 fpr is prolly better for the MS.

dang. what turbo and how much PSi are you planning to run. right now i'm looking for injectors but don't know what size i'm looking for.

Originally posted by er0ckz

Originally posted by Initial DSM

Originally posted by widebodied mrslick, your pumping 780cc injects, what are your supporting fuel mods DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

I have a Walbro 255 intank fuel pump and Accel Inline fuel pump with mine and plan to run higher than 720cc's etc. also vortech sfmu, but I think the Aeromotive 1:1 fpr is prolly better for the MS.

dang. what turbo and how much PSi are you planning to run. right now i'm looking for injectors but don't know what size i'm looking for.

To find the proper injector size, go to http://www.megasquirt.info/manual/mturbo.htm
Scroll down to the table that shows HP vs. Injector Size


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Or I can do the work for you...

HP #/Hr (cc/min)
100 16 (174)
150 24 (254)
200 32 (335)
250 41 (428)
300 48 (508)
350 56 (587)
400 65 (682)
450 73 (762)
500 81 (855)
550 89 (936)
600 97 (1016)

based on 0.50 BSFC and 85% duty cycle

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Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana