Poll question: Is it possible to get a 420a under the hood of a 99 Eclipse GS to do 200hp to the flywheel with just these mods (AND NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS!!!).... 1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or we

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all thats showing is a CAI..and probably not whatever ur gonna say

**Ebay intake w/ injen filter, 55mm TB, Thermal R&D NT Catback, F & R upper strut bars, AFX UDP
**Waiting to be installed: Hurricane GS lower tie bars, stock sideskirts

no its not possible however it is possible to find this answer without a graph using the search function. turbo = Hosrepower its that simple, any other means you take will just cost a bunch more money with little or nothing to show for.If its power you want go turbo. if you dont wanna go turbo you got 2 choices 1)stay slow or 2) sell your car and get something faster. ive been on both sides and believe me turbo is where you wanna be.
joe

Thank You, I just had to know this guy told me I could do this and it's supposed to give me all kinds of mad power, I kinda had the feeling it would'nt do jack!

Originally posted by fullmoon

..........1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r)
2. venom intake manifold
3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump
4. nology spark plug wires
5. denso iridium spark plugs
6. headers
7. cat-back exhaust system
8. throttle body spacer
9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

with these items you will see 200hp in no time


This is the question fellas thx

NO

Same question different forum.... I think there was 5 pages of this on dsmtalk. All saying the same thing. NO

200 is not even remotely close to the power those mods will do

we are talking at least 275 hp here if not 300 ....

Alain

Originally posted by fullmoon

Originally posted by fullmoon

..........1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r) 2. venom intake manifold 3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump 4. nology spark plug wires 5. denso iridium spark plugs 6. headers 7. cat-back exhaust system 8. throttle body spacer 9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with these items you will see 200hp in no time This is the question fellas thx

1. 1hp?
2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
3. eh? your kidding right?
4. uh-hugh...Im begining to see a pattern
5. ok, I really think your buddy there has to stop tasting his gasoline
6. 2hp(+/- 1hp lol)
7. 1hp
8. oooohhh oohhh add the intake manifold spacer too
9. yeah, not like higher comp and cams will give you more then all of the above combined...thats silly.

Originally posted by fullmoon

Originally posted by fullmoon

..........1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r) 2. venom intake manifold 3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump 4. nology spark plug wires 5. denso iridium spark plugs 6. headers 7. cat-back exhaust system 8. throttle body spacer 9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with these items you will see 200hp in no time This is the question fellas thx

That is funny. You will not make anywhere close to 200whp. Add n2o or boost and you could hit 200 and probably blow your motor, with no internal modifications!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I missed the flywheel part because this thread is pointless, but anyhow you still wont make 200hp!!!!!!!

LOL. With those mods you'd roll 134 HP to the wheels.

I fucking swear to god.

You will need a lot more than an air filter and exhaust to get that kind of power with no turbo or nitrous. You'll need many expensive things like custom made cams for how your top end flows after you clean up the shitty job Chysler did at the factory, high compression pistons probably 12.5:1, a custom well designed intake manifold (the venom is garbage) some kind of quality engine managment system, all.that stuff at a minimum.

Originally posted by ner947
You will need a lot more than an air filter and exhaust to get that kind of power with no turbo or nitrous. You'll need many expensive things like custom made cams for how your top end flows after you clean up the shitty job Chysler did at the factory, high compression pistons probably 12.5:1, a custom well designed intake manifold (the venom is garbage) some kind of quality engine managment system, all.that stuff at a minimum.

And you know as well as i do, with the above mods mentioned I can't even see over 165 without some crazy headwork/bottomend work, high rpm spinnin', lightweight everything...uhhh yea.

Originally posted by ner947
You will need a lot more than an air filter and exhaust to get that kind of power with no turbo or nitrous. You'll need many expensive things like custom made cams for how your top end flows after you clean up the shitty job Chysler did at the factory, high compression pistons probably 12.5:1, a custom well designed intake manifold (the venom is garbage) some kind of quality engine managment system, all.that stuff at a minimum.

Why you put link to 420a they don't want anybody into there little world so I leave em alone.

Originally posted by fullmoonWhy you put link to 420a they don't want anybody into there little world so I leave em alone.

Because there is a good chunk of quality information on the public site. If you read the TIM and the other stuff there you probably wouldn't be posting this thread.

Originally posted by fullmoon
Why you put link to 420a they don't want anybody into there little world so I leave em alone.

No, they just don't want fucking idiots who think they'll make 200HP with absolutely no power producing mods. Guess who i'm talking about?

Originally posted by fullmoon

Originally posted by fullmoon

..........1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r) 2. venom intake manifold 3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump 4. nology spark plug wires 5. denso iridium spark plugs 6. headers 7. cat-back exhaust system 8. throttle body spacer 9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with these items you will see 200hp in no time This is the question fellas thx

I know i'm a little late, but this is the funniest thing i've ever seen.

you couldnt even get 200 hp out of my car with all the mods listed below...

I got that information from this guy he told me that you guys can call em and tell em what you think....

starting with 140hp stock and wanting to reach 200hp is very possible. here is what you would need to buy in order to reach your goal of 200hp.

1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r)
2. venom intake manifold
3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump
4. nology spark plug wires
5. denso iridium spark plugs
6. headers
7. cat-back exhaust system
8. throttle body spacer
9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with these items you will see 200hp in no time. if you have any questions you can call me anytime where i work. the phone # is 1-800-529-5003 ext 7304
i work for jcwhitney and we carry all these parts. i dont work on tuesdays and saturdays.

hope this helps
chad

Dont believe everything you hear....

If I was mad at a sales person from JC Whitney, I'd do this & post his number too so everyone one on the internet can call him and bitch.

Originally posted by cougar694u
I'd do this & post his number too so everyone one on the internet can call him and bitch.

Thats what I was thinking of doing. :P

This guy obviousley knows jack shit about anything automotive related if he thinks those mods will give the car 60HP. LOL

Maybe try and think of a way to shed 600lbs in weight and that would help too.

I hate internet idiots. :(

EDIT: I just looked at that last post and those mods would give you 15-20 hp to the wheels. Fuck, get a life and buy a turbo. Jesus.

Spend the $2000 in parts the salesman says will make your car a *cough* 200hp monster and see how fast you go.

Originally posted by Blizare

Originally posted by cougar694u I'd do this & post his number too so everyone one on the internet can call him and bitch.

Thats what I was thinking of doing. :P This guy obviousley knows jack shit about anything automotive related if he thinks those mods will give the car 60HP. LOL Maybe try and think of a way to shed 600lbs in weight and that would help too. I hate internet idiots. :( EDIT: I just looked at that last post and those mods would give you 15-20 hp to the wheels. Fuck, get a life and buy a turbo. Jesus.

Calm down dude, It's just I live in California and ya know how hard they are on the smog check so I was going to just go N/A maximum hp so I don't hafta deal with take'n a turbo off every 2 years and kinda upside down in my little put-put so I have few choices.
I just hafta settle for a quick N/A for now but it's cool I can live with that till I flip my cash in about 3 years then I can buy me a smog legal fast car off the show room floor.
I spoke with a guy here in Ohio who owns a speed shop and he said I can expect about 180 bhp max if I mod it correctly which ain't too bad compared to stock so that may be where I go with my mods at least I will have broken the chains to the bank that holds my pink slip.
Trust me if I could add a turbo or find a dealer with a GS-T I'd add the turbo or swap with the dealer but I ain't mad I was at 1st but I'm look'n on the bright side at least I own a nice car, there are a lot of people in the world who wished or even dream of buying a car :)

Originally posted by fullmoon

I just hafta settle for a quick N/A for now :)

Isn't that an oxymoron when were talking about our cars?

Why don't you make it simple and just add a $500 nitrous kit you can hide in the trunk and then remove for inspection, get a dry kit with that zex air filter and it'll be a piece of cake

edit: wtf is with the font?

Originally posted by cs82685

Originally posted by fullmoon

I just hafta settle for a quick N/A for now :)

Isn't that an oxymoron when were talking about our cars? Why don't you make it simple and just add a $500 nitrous kit you can hide in the trunk and then remove for inspection, get a dry kit with that zex air filter and it'll be a piece of cake edit: wtf is with the font?

Ya know that little man hump'n that Honda symbol is funny as hell hehehe!!!
I don't like NOS gotta fill up the bottle etc... it's not the same as turbo or a hot motor besides I been read'n it clogs up ya motor in the long run :)
I may trade it for the Cobalt SS if I can't hit at least 180-200 to the flywheel :(

Originally posted by fullmoon
I got that information from this guy he told me that you guys can call em and tell em what you think.... starting with 140hp stock and wanting to reach 200hp is very possible. here is what you would need to buy in order to reach your goal of 200hp. 1. cold air intake system ( aem, injen, or weapon-r) 2. venom intake manifold 3. bbk high volume in-taqnk fuel pump 4. nology spark plug wires 5. denso iridium spark plugs 6. headers 7. cat-back exhaust system 8. throttle body spacer 9. NO INTERNAL MODIFICATIONS NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with these items you will see 200hp in no time. if you have any questions you can call me anytime where i work. the phone # is 1-800-529-5003 ext 7304 i work for jcwhitney and we carry all these parts. i dont work on tuesdays and saturdays. hope this helps chad

with all those mods you wont even feel a difference . one thing you forgot is the 75hp power chip . lol . after all the money you would pay to get like 10hp you could have bought a turbo kit .

Originally posted by fullmoon
hope this helps,
chad

Chad,

Shut up.

Hope this helps,
DR.

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by fullmoon hope this helps, chad

Chad, Shut up. Hope this helps, DR.

I was thinking the exact same thing Brian.

wHoot

I had just about every bolt on you could think of with the AFX ecu, and I pulled a 15.9, after that, I put crower 2 cams with fidanza cam gears, race valves, head port and polish, intake manifold port and polish, and bigger TB, and a rev of 8100rpm. I bet I would have pulled a decent time natrually aspirated. I have no idea what my time would have been because I never made it to the track, I decided to make som ereal power and go turbo, but 15.9 aint bad before the head p&p and cams etc., I should have gone to the track dammit. That was at stock compression and bottom end too. I'm guessing around a 15.5 quarter mile time. I think it would be an easy thing to get our cars into the 14's, but it just wouldn't be worth it. You can just put a turbo on our car stock and pull a 14. But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna spend your money.

Originally posted by powellds
But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna WASTE your money.

werd

Originally posted by Blizare
But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna WASTE your money.

If the power and speed are your goals, then all motor is a waste of money, but if the challenge is your goal, then every penny is one well-spent.

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by Blizare But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna WASTE your money.

If the power and speed are your goals, then all motor is a waste of money, but if the challenge is your goal, then every penny is one well-spent.

Originally posted by Blizare

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by Blizare But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna WASTE your money.

If the power and speed are your goals, then all motor is a waste of money, but if the challenge is your goal, then every penny is one well-spent.

I agree 100% besides I'd only be behind a stock GS-T by a few seconds in the quarter mile any way :)

As far as the picture Funny but Sick!

Originally posted by powellds
I had just about every bolt on you could think of with the AFX ecu, and I pulled a 15.9, after that, I put crower 2 cams with fidanza cam gears, race valves, head port and polish, intake manifold port and polish, and bigger TB, and a rev of 8100rpm. I bet I would have pulled a decent time natrually aspirated. I have no idea what my time would have been because I never made it to the track, I decided to make som ereal power and go turbo, but 15.9 aint bad before the head p&p and cams etc., I should have gone to the track dammit. That was at stock compression and bottom end too. I'm guessing around a 15.5 quarter mile time. I think it would be an easy thing to get our cars into the 14's, but it just wouldn't be worth it. You can just put a turbo on our car stock and pull a 14. But, it's all about what you wanna do and how you wanna spend your money.

Tis really a shame, because doubtful many here will go that far to test an NA to the max. I got a AF/X too but the engines stock save for a 60mm throttle body and the standard I/H/E crap. I broke the stock clutch halfway down the track coasting in at 16.4 with bald ass tires (2.4 60ft), not even coming close to 4th gear, so I always figure I could break into 15.9 or better if I was a better driver and had better tires and some kinda lsd. What I really wanted to do was finish the prototype intake manifold I was working on and put in my 16 cams but I sold all of that meh.

Originally posted by Initial DSM
Tis really a shame, because doubtful many here will go that far to test an NA to the max.

One of us will. }(

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by Initial DSM Tis really a shame, because doubtful many here will go that far to test an NA to the max.

One of us will. }(

The guys on neons.org have us all blown away NA because crane makes cams much larger for them. Ours stops at 18, while they have like 26's & 28's. For every 1 of the fully-built 2gnt turbo people, there's 1 NA neon that's over 200 hp.

I'm just trying to scrape up the money to put my motor back together. Too bad the POS is an ATX or I'd be after beating my old personal 2gnt record.

Originally posted by cougar694u
The guys on neons.org have us all blown away NA because crane makes cams much larger for them. Ours stops at 18, while they have like 26's & 28's. For every 1 of the fully-built 2gnt turbo people, there's 1 NA neon that's over 200 hp.

This gives me an idea. I'll post it in the cam thread in Advanced as I think it would be more appropriate...

u can do it... it'd cost u a pretty penny but u could do it

I think it's possible to get 200 hp, but only with internal upgrades (read high compression) plus everything you can think of for power/supporting mods, and I mean everything.

But, it would be prohibitively expensive. I mean, unless you're making specifically an all motor racecar, and the chassis was stripped down, you hit a point (I know, I've hit that point) where you need to put in more and more money for less and less speed. Now when you first start off all motor you can see gains and it is a great learning experience (you learn how a car does things without boost, and how to drive you car and not make up for poor technique with lbs. of boost), but it gets much harder the further you go.

Now, to be fair, that is true when you turbo your car, or when you modify ANYTHING in any way to make it faster. That's just how it goes, speed and HP = money. But you get much more power with turbo for the money you put in. Hey, boost is good. I've done more work to turbo cars than non turbo cars, I just haven't owned any of them.

Originally posted by VX100
I think it's possible to get 200 hp, but only with internal upgrades (read high compression) plus everything you can think of for power/supporting mods, and I mean everything. But, it would be prohibitively expensive. I mean, unless you're making specifically an all motor racecar, and the chassis was stripped down, you hit a point (I know, I've hit that point) where you need to put in more and more money for less and less speed. Now when you first start off all motor you can see gains and it is a great learning experience (you learn how a car does things without boost, and how to drive you car and not make up for poor technique with lbs. of boost), but it gets much harder the further you go. Now, to be fair, that is true when you turbo your car, or when you modify ANYTHING in any way to make it faster. That's just how it goes, speed and HP = money. But you get much more power with turbo for the money you put in. Hey, boost is good. I've done more work to turbo cars than non turbo cars, I just haven't owned any of them.

If I may ask, what all did you do to your car and what are your horse power numbers to the ground? Thx.

Dude Look it up.

I'm a novice listen to what I say and make your own conclusion. If I'm wrong tell me and I will learn.

This thread should be on page 2. :P

This thread makes me LOL, you guys are losers!

has everyone checked in? We know it's not possible, lets let this thread die.