i have a 95 and want to turbo the 420a but i lightbulbed the idea of swapping in a srt-4 motor instead of doing a hahn kit. anyone know anything about the SRT-4's? i think they're 420's but not sure, if so, what is different about them? thanks
-Lauren

Oh boy...They are 420a's but they arent the 420a we have. We have a 2.0 liter 420a while they have a 2.4 liter 420a. few have swapped in 2.4 liter 420a's but its a rather custom job. Someone else is gunna say something more than likely but Im just a nice guy

the search function works really well here.

so um.. yeah.

gimme an S.... gimme an E..... gimme an A..... gimme an R.... gimme a C.... gimme an H.....what does it spell.....

SEARCH !!!!!!! its not just something that goes along with "& Rescue"!

actually you should do the 4g63 swap. MUCH easier and far motor HP! Summitracing.com has custom adapater kits. 6-8hr max job time. Do that, it'll be fun!

heh...hey lauren! so are you still going to art center?

im doing a 2.4L, pm me and i'll enlighten you as to what has to be done

but to answer the question at hand...

no, you cant put a srt-4 motor in a 2gnt.
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96 talon esi-t
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are the ill winds' talons

Guys, can the search talk. No need to gum up a thread over and over again with the same crap.

As for the SRT-4 engine swap, if you did the whole engine you'll need all the electronics as well. The biggest problem with just using the block that I know of is the crank trigger. They are significantly different from the 2.0L crank trigger. Also, since the SRT-4 uses the new T850 vs the T350 driveline you might run into problems there.

What most people seem to be doing is to get a 1st gen 2.4L block (95-99) and putting in SRT-4 internals. Then putting the 2gNT head on it. SRT-4 internals are dirt cheap which makes them very alluring comparted to getting all forged pieces.

Originally posted by Avenger
What most people seem to be doing is to get a 1st gen 2.4L block (95-99) and putting in SRT-4 internals.

1st gen 2.4L block :wary. what do you mean? the 2.4L block came out in 94 for the caravans and is still used in 2001 model pt NT's and even in the powertech cherokee's in 02

the blocks you would need to find in order to do this swap would be any of the 2.4L blocks out of the cloud cars. mine is from a 98 stratus for example. also, dodge caravan, avenger/sebring, pt cruiser non-turbo all have the same 2.4L block.

the 2gnt head bolts right up to this block, which makes making a 420a into a 2.4L very do-able. of course, certain other modifications must be made including custom oil pan...side motor mount, etc



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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons

You have to play the role of smarty pants don't you? You know exactly what I meant when I said 1st gen 2.4L.

Originally posted by Avenger
You have to play the role of smarty pants don't you? You know exactly what I meant when I said 1st gen 2.4L.

play the role of smarty pants? :wary. i seriously DONT know what you meant when you said 1st gen 2.4L. clarify, please.



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V.S.




What are the blatent differences, other than what Thura mentioned, do you see here?

looks roughly the same of course the intake and exhuast are switched. But yeah swapping another engine in is asking for a lotting fabrication and work. Why do you think we don't swap 4g63s.

Originally posted by HadesOmega
looks roughly the same of course the intake and exhuast are switched. But yeah swapping another engine in is asking for a lotting fabrication and work. Why do you think we don't swap 4g63s.

its actually not to much fabrication, and if all goes to plan we'll have a swap kit out soon. theres a lot more reasons not to swap a 4g63 than there is to swap a 2.4L block (not the srt-4 mind you) the 2.4L swap is way easier than the 4g63 swap anyway





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Originally posted by turbo8u
play the role of smarty pants? :wary. i seriously DONT know what you meant when you said 1st gen 2.4L. clarify, please.

He's picked up some of my off-board terminology. I like to call the 94+ 2.4L NA blocks tyhat came in everythiong a "1g" 2.4L block, as they are all essentially the same. The SRT4 / PT turbo block would be a "2g" 2.4L block, as it's a newer design and revised over the "old" 2.4L motor.

So quit being a smartass fuckstick.

Originally posted by DarkOne
as they are all essentially the same. The SRT4 / PT turbo block would be a "2g" 2.4L block, as it's a newer design and revised over the "old" 2.4L motor. So quit being a smartass fuckstick.

ok, now i know what you're talking about. im like...uhhh...1st gen 2.4? there are the NA blocks, and then there are the turbo 2.4L blocks. we can use the NA block only for a swap, thats all i was saying ;)

so quit being a smartass fuckstick. :P







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Originally posted by turbo8u
also, dodge caravan, avenger/sebring, pt cruiser non-turbo all have the same 2.4L block.

you were so close too...

the Avenger/Sebring Cupe never came w/ a 2.4L, just the same 2.0 as the 2gNT and the 6g73 2.5L V6.

The 2.4L was available in the 95-00 sebring convt, but the convert' has nothing in common in with the 95-00 sebring coupe, as it is just a cloud car w/ 2 less doors and the roof cut off.

Originally posted by Avenger
SRT-4 internals are dirt cheap which makes them very alluring comparted to getting all forged pieces.

exactly how cheap are these internals? do i get them at the dealer?

Originally posted by 96rs-t

Originally posted by Avenger SRT-4 internals are dirt cheap which makes them very alluring comparted to getting all forged pieces.

exactly how cheap are these internals? do i get them at the dealer?

nm

i did some researching and joined srtforums.com
the engine is a 2.4L A855 motor, basically a beefd up, turbo PT cruiser motor... the swap'll be done in August. we've found several wrecked srt-4's we can pull the motor, mounts, ecu, tranny, and exhaust from. WOOT!

Originally posted by lrseclipse
i did some researching and joined srtforums.com the engine is a 2.4L A855 motor, basically a beefd up, turbo PT cruiser motor... the swap'll be done in August. we've found several wrecked srt-4's we can pull the motor, mounts, ecu, tranny, and exhaust from. WOOT!

If you get the motors and tranny's dirt cheap then get them NOW...or at least tell me where they are at. :)

lol good luck swappin that srt motor in there :rolleyes. its not even practical and it will still be slow

hope you have a welder and a fuck load of time on your hands but nonetheless, good luck

...there is a more practical way to swap a 2.4L block into a 2gnt ya
know...

sorry, yea i know the sebring and avenger didnt come with the 2.4...sorry, brain fart. thinking of the stratus/cirrus and breeze, they look a lot the same
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96 talon esi-t
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as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons

Good luck man. I don't think that driveline will phgysically fit in a 2gnt engine bay - Neon engine bays are actually several inches wider than ours, and i believe the SRT's is wider still.

All i can say, take pictures, keep us updated. I'm interested, since you're actually willing to try, to see if it is possible.

Originally posted by DarkOne
Good luck man.

lrseclipse is a girl... ;) her name is lauren



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96 talon esi-t
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as needles of ice
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Not to mention you will have to send out your tranny to driveshaftshop, or give them the exact measurments of the length of the custom axles you will need to order from them as they've never built ones for a srt-4 tranny in a 2gnt yet. As well as some custom fabrication to the frame to get the tranny to fit.

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by DarkOne Good luck man.

lrseclipse is a girl... ;) her name is lauren _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca as needles of ice are the ill winds' talons

if shes a girl, she can just cry/whine at/nag the motor and transmission until it drops right into the eclipse

:nono

lauren i think you under estimate the amount of work that a srt4 engine swap will take. you need to buy a forn clip custom weld your own motor mounts, custom weld your own tranny mounts, have a custom made axle, find a way to compltely re-wire the 2gnt to accept the signals from the foreign engine. your taking technology designed in 2000 and putting it in a car designed back in 1993. were not just talking a few weeks of downtime here but a few months atleast

basically as i said somewhere before it would probably be easier to swap a 4g63 in if you buy a wrecked 2g gst front clip at a junkyard.

OR you can do the right thing, sell it and buy a turbo. you could buy a red 2g gst and transfer the body parts over and sell the gs for $3k, and i know of a red gst forsale for $4000 so basically your paying $1000 for a engine swap and turbo. i dont know many 2g rs/gs turbo's that can last over 20k miles let alone over 150k miles like ambers talon. anyways i think for a highschool student with 0 time to work on a car selling the gs and buying a gst would be a better choice

i know the dedicated folks here will tell you a built turbo 420a is a sight to behold but realistically for a highschool student with a basically full time job you really cant afford the down time and dedication it would take to put up with the bullshit hahn fuel system and all the tuning and time under the car it would take. back when i had my rs i weighed my options. i could spend all my money and buy a turbo kit or i could go all show. looking back if i had bought a turbo kit i would have ruined my financial assetts putting up with a blown engine (and it seriously would have, i had massive leaking problems)

lol... i do most of my work myself and with few other friends.. but thanks. anyways, we'll figure it out... im all for trying new stuff, just like the turVo. I probably wont do the swap til august b/c i have to save up a few g's on the side, in the meanwhile we'll be trying to figure out if it's completely possible or not.

Originally posted by lrseclipse
im all for trying new stuff, just like the turVo.

The 'turVo' wasn't a new idea and neither is this. However if that's what you have your mind set on doing then let us know how it goes.

Originally posted by Uberingram

Originally posted by lrseclipse im all for trying new stuff, just like the turVo.

The 'turVo' wasn't a new idea and neither is this. However if that's what you have your mind set on doing then let us know how it goes.

AHHHH! WTF!!! i thought i fuggin wrecked that turVo nonsense x(

...fuck, wheres that thread



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96 talon esi-t
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as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons

About the price of the internals ...check fenton dodge for pricing...should be for everything less than 300,

got mine for 125 cause im a lucky bastard

Originally posted by lrseclipse
lol... i do most of my work myself and with few other friends.. but thanks. anyways, we'll figure it out... im all for trying new stuff, just like the turVo. I probably wont do the swap til august b/c i have to save up a few g's on the side, in the meanwhile we'll be trying to figure out if it's completely possible or not.

Its gonna cost you in the neihborhood of 'a few g's' just for those axles. Trust me, I already asked...like over a year ago. My stage 5 axles run around 2k alone. Just look for a stratus block or a PT block. I got a spare one I could sell to you.

how many other people got the turVo to work??? we pulled 6 lbs at 16 volts...
Do u think it would cost more to build the 2.4 L PT motor instead of just buying a salvaged srt-4 motor????

It would cost less to get the salvaged motor more than likely, but that's not the problem. The problem is trying to put that engine into a 2gnt. That's where the money starts adding up. It may cost less to get the part, but it costs an assload more to get it wedged in the car.

Originally posted by lrseclipse
how many other people got the turVo to work???

-349057937982347205703492609834759435073 or what I like to call negative eleventybillion.

lol

the real huge cost will be to have a complete custom turbo system squezed in the limited space between the engine and the firewall

while a built 2.4 fitted with a 420a head doesn't have this problem

Alain

so if the custom turbo system has to be squeezed in , y would the 2.4L A855 be any different? anyone have an srt-4 so u can measure your bay for me :)????

tomorrow i could. im going to be so piss ass drunk tonight i doubt ill be able to find the front door.

the few of us going 2.4 are doing hybrid engines , keeping a 2.4 short block but fitted with a 2gnt 420a head, the result is an engine like the 420a but taller , and we have all the space in the front like before for the turbo kit

you want to fit a srt-4 style engine in your car with or without the stock srt-4 turbo/manifold combo
you will have exhaust in the back and intake in the front
check under your hood with the 420a and look at the space available between the engine and the firewall
also our cars don't have a big notch in the firewall for exhaust routing unlike the chrysler cars and minivans

Available space is a big issue here
Mitsubishi and Chrysler had to invent a reversed neon head to fit the 2.0 in the 2gnt engine bay , would they have a better choice cost wise I'm pretty sure they would have stick with the already existing engine of the Neon DOHC

anyway my 2 cents

Alain

And dont forget to allow for motor flex unless you're going to dog bone the entire thing. :P The flex in my SRT stock is massive.

thanks Chris that'd be great... as for exhaust,like i said, im getting the motor and exhaust from the salvaged srt. so i think most of this is just a space issue, "Will it fit?"
we will know when uber fantastic Chris can get us some measurements, then the rest is just wiring in an Ecu, motor mounts, Etc etc etc

I'll let you know right now that the exhuast idea is not going to work. You'll be fabbing that too.

I think you should just get the whole front clip from the Neon SRT-4 and weld-it right onto the Eclipse. That takes care of everything in one easy step. You could have the first Nelipse. Then you could twin-TurVo it.

I think you're really barking up the wrong tree with swapping the SRT-4 engine into the 2GNT. I think you'll get overwhelmed with all the details. It sounds cool on paper, but the details can kill you. It seems especially silly since people are building 2.4l hybrids that eliminate 80% of the details that you'll have to deal with. Where there's a will, there's a way...but will it be worth it?

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

You are all seriously underestimating this whole SRT-4 business. Aside from the physical standpoint of getting things to fit and line up there is a whole slew of things none of you have brought up. Let's start listing ...

Shifter cables & shifter - You're kidding yourself if you think either the 2gnt or the SRT-4 cables will work ... probably some sort of hybrid

Throttle linkage - Hmmm ... TB in the front ... throttle cable only for a firewall side TB

Water lines - Lines to the heater core, radiator. Not in the same place

AC Lines - Hopefuly the condenser will be in the same place

Clutch Type - Is the SRT4 cable clutch operated or hydraulic? If it isn't hydraulic ...

Hood probably won't fit/close, oil pan will probably interfere with the center crossmember.

Every electronic thing on the inside of the car (tach, speedo, AC controls, gauge lights, gauge cluster) - There is just one big gigantic harness that goes from inside the car to the engine bay. You'll have to cut and splice almost EVERYTHING.

This is just if you want to have some of the nice-ties of a daily driver. I mean seriously we don't share most of the sensors on the SRT-4. These two cars are so different they might as well be made by different manufacturers. You can take bits and peices from one to the other but trying to swap the whole motor ... If you want the SRT-4 block then just take the block and make it work. Trying to put the block/head/manifolds/engine management to work for you isn't going to be pretty.

If you're gonna turn this car into full race then just strip everything out, drop in an older 2.4L and then go full standalone.

lol i cant even believe this thread is still breathing
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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons

not underestimating Thura, just didn't feel like typing a novel.....lol

personally, id go with the srt-6 motor. 3.2l supercharged v6. 330hp/310trq or something pretty close.... :beer

Originally posted by JWoodley
personally, id go with the srt-6 motor. 3.2l supercharged v6.

are you kidding me :wary



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96 talon esi-t
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are the ill winds' talons

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by JWoodley personally, id go with the srt-6 motor. 3.2l supercharged v6.

are you kidding me :wary _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca as needles of ice are the ill winds' talons

are you seriously asking me if i am serious...seriously. :bash lol.

Originally posted by JWoodley
are you seriously asking me if i am serious...seriously. :bash lol.

lol, ok phew...i didnt want to have to beat ya over the head with my beat stick :P



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96 talon esi-t
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Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by JWoodley are you seriously asking me if i am serious...seriously. :bash lol.

lol, ok phew...i didnt want to have to beat ya over the head with my beat stick :P

lol chris

PHWACK!
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96 talon esi-t
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are the ill winds' talons

reminds me of tanya harding....lol