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73432, HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-23-04 04:03 PM
What are you guys using for a spray HG sealer for the MLS gasket.....its friday night and no way to get the mopar shit....dont know any dealers open tomarrow.

Terry
96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73433, RE: HG sealer
Posted by turbo8u, Apr-23-04 04:37 PM
MLS, dont use sealer. just make sure the deck, HG and head are clean when you put it on :thumbsup
_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

73434, RE: HG sealer
Posted by 41eclipse, Apr-23-04 05:22 PM
I am almost positive that you are supposed to use the spray even with the mls gasket. I have used the permatex copper gasket spray on 2 headgaskets now with no leaks.
73448, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-24-04 02:59 AM
yeah you are right the TSB states a spray one saeler is to be used. I will p/u the copper spray tonight thanks

Terry
96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73449, RE: HG sealer
Posted by turbo8u, Apr-24-04 06:27 AM
lol, ok nevermind. you dont have to use sealer though.

use sealer on composite gaskets
_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

73457, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-24-04 09:13 AM
What is so funny spanky.....the fact the TSB states to use spray on sealer?

Terry
96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73458, RE: HG sealer
Posted by turbo8u, Apr-24-04 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
What is so funny spanky.....the fact the TSB states to use spray on sealer?


the fact that ive done it 5 times and ive never once had a problem :thumbsup



_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

73459, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-24-04 09:46 AM
Sorry i just dont see how its funny....The TSB states to do it...the dealer usually does more than nesasary but i am not willing cut corners especially for less that 5.00. I am sure it works fine but i'll go with what the TSB says.

You can get away without using exhaust gaskets and just using sealer but i dont see anyone doing that...why because the 10.00 you save isnt worth the chance something will go wrong.

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73460, RE: HG sealer
Posted by SPL_Eclipse, Apr-24-04 09:50 AM
dude, he was just laughing at his own mistake. if you want to use the sealer just do it, i know i would just to be safe. if anything take turbos words to mean that MLS gaskets rock because even w/out sealant they dont leak.
73461, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-24-04 11:20 AM
oh i took it that he poking fun because i am being anal with this gasket....I really dont trust all metal gaskets...i am used to old school composites. Took me a while to accept the metal headgasket on my Harley...I just dont like the issue with Headgaskets especially when the factory screwwed up to begin with and wont recall the issue. I am going to spray it just because its recommended....do i do everything recommended by the dealer...hell no, i would have never made it made it as mechanic. The dealer probably only sprays it becasue the spray is on hand. I am sure you are right it prob isnt needed.



Terry
96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73464, RE: HG sealer
Posted by turbo8u, Apr-24-04 12:39 PM
yea i know first hand that its not needed because ive never used it and ive never had a problem but go ahead and do it just to be safe, might as well if you're worried about it :thumbsup

i didnt mean to come across as lame or anything, i was laughing at my own mistake like spl said. gasket spray normally is applied on the OLD composite gaskets and not needed for the newer MLS

p.s- stock you dont have a mls gasket

thats just my .02
_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

73476, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-24-04 04:21 PM
yea i realize the factory is composite.....i cant say i have ever coated a composite.....perhaps that was my error. I really dont elieve you should have to coat any gasket.....the gasket is there to seal. I feel more secure relying on a gasket than the sealant. if its the sealant that you are relying on then why have a gasket....you know. eh enough rambling.....perhaps i will ask a friend of mine that used to work for eagle and see what he used to do with them. if its not nessasary i am not going to use it....i dont believe you should have to.

Terry
73492, RE: HG sealer
Posted by XtremeRS, Apr-25-04 04:54 AM
You don't HAVE to use the sealant on the MLS gasket,but you should, and I always have. The copper spray is mainly used for increasing the heat transfer from the head to the block deck, but it does help seal very, very fine imperfections of the head/block surfaces, if they are present. Also, the TSB is about the replacement MLS gasket, NOT about the old composites..
73493, RE: HG sealer
Posted by Star Turbo Talon, Apr-25-04 05:30 AM
Yeah i was reading the can and it looks liek you said to prevent hot spots more than anything.....the name headgasket sealant is misleading. i think i am getting the big picture now.....the dealers intention is to like you said prevent hot spots that will cause warpage. Screw it i spent 5.00 on the can might as well use it now!

Thanks for your guys opinions....yours as well there spanky...lol

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
rear disk conversion Star Stage II - Optima locate in the hatch - momo Steering wheel - Boost/oil/EGT gauges, HKS TT

97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)
73496, RE: HG sealer
Posted by turbo8u, Apr-25-04 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Yeah i was reading the can and it looks liek you said to prevent hot spots more than anything.....the name headgasket sealant is misleading. i think i am getting the big picture now.....the dealers intention is to like you said prevent hot spots that will cause warpage. Screw it i spent 5.00 on the can might as well use it now! Thanks for your guys opinions....yours as well there spanky...lol


sweet :thumbsup, so i learned somethin new.

you're welcome there slappy :P



_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

74413, RE: HG sealer
Posted by OneCrazyBoricua, May-12-04 06:55 PM
Where can I buy a Good Inexpensive LOL Head Gasket??? I need to change mines next weekend no later before something else happens and then I'll be upcreek HELP!!! Thanks...

George

OneCrazyBoricua@hotmail.com
74420, RE: HG sealer
Posted by thedawg, May-13-04 05:53 AM
Always use an OEM 4-layer MLS headgasket from Dodge or Mitsubishi. The other ones suck.
74470, RE: HG sealer
Posted by CODE4, May-13-04 05:14 PM
Originally posted by thedawg
Always use an OEM 4-layer MLS headgasket from Dodge or Mitsubishi. The other ones suck.


I disagree. Fel-Pro MLS head gaskets are on par with OEM.
74419, RE: HG sealer
Posted by techboy, May-13-04 04:08 AM
How touching. It's nice to see a situation resolve itself. :+