Would running an S-AFC with a N/A give me any horses? If so, how many and would it be worth it?

Ryan
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'97 Mitsubishi Eclipse


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When i had a non-turbo I was ALWAYS WAY RICH...you could use the afc to lean things down a bit to get mininum gas for the go...

Do you have an A/F ratio gauge? If so, what is your ratio at WOT?




Eric Madden
99 GS

- K&N cone
- 5E plugs
- Magnecore 8.5
- GS-T exhaust
- Some electronic stuff

Yeah i have the same question. I thought about gettin the safc, but is it worth it for N/A ??????


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symborski shift kit
window tint
2700 watt system
15" aluminum Eclipse sub
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"you will respect the 14's
or i will kick you in
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Our cars do run rich. Richness can bog the engine down. An engine makes the best power with a 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio. Our cars run richer than that. If you use the S-AFC to tune the engine down you can make a little more power but you MUST have an ACCURATE A/F gauge (voltmeter) and an EGT gauge. If you tune the car too lean you can have detonation which means MAJOR problems!

Here is some REALLY good info on tuning with an EGT and A/F gauge.

http://www.sdsefi.com/techegt.htm





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Neuspeed Sport Springs
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Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


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Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
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Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
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N/A lets say 2-6 horsepower. For $300 I will pass. Ryan I thought you needed new struts first?
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i have it and im NA... imo not worth it but if u plan to go turbo later then its a great bling bling device and good to monitor ish



Kory
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Mike and Todd think its worth it, whats the deal kory? 2-6hp for $300 is better than $350 for a header or $500 for an exhaust with the same hp results. Plus you get to monitor your TPS, MAP and o2 sensor and darnit it looks good.


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I do need struts first, I was just curious. I think want to get a hold of some stock struts. If you anyone wants to hook me p pleas e-mail me. my car is bumpy as hell!

Ryan
Ryeguy2002@Hotmail.com
'97 Mitsubishi Eclipse


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You do NOT get the most power at a 14.7 to 1 air to fuel ratio. The most power is at a ratio of about 12.7 to 1.

And, I think the SAFC is worth it. I went faster with it leaned out a bit the last time I went racing (the 15.58 run) andI still don't even have it tuned correctly yet, I was just guessing as to what values would be good.

"Keep on charging the enemy, so long as there is life."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.589 @ 88.22 MPH
2001 DSM Shootout Winner - NT Class

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>You do NOT get the most
>power at a 14.7 to
>1 air to fuel ratio.
> The most power is
>at a ratio of about
>12.7 to 1.

No but you'll get great gas mileage before it blows up. 14.7 is ideal for low load and idle only. Without the cooling effect of the additional fuel your engine will burn up or detonate at 14.7 full throttle. 13:1 is acceptable NA with race gas. 12:1 is ideal for a turbo on pump gas and a little leaner (12.5-12.8) on high octane.


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Stan2gnt
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95 Talon 420A-Turbo
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I was basically saying 14.7 because that is considered stoich. I wasn't giving a number for precise tuning!




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All Motor Beast in need of MAJOR TUNING

Contemplating turbo. . . . . . .
Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

http://www.extreme420a.com

stan u basically said what i said



Kory
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Happy Honda Hunting!

also, got dyno proof of that 2-6hp buddy? didnt think so



Kory
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Happy Honda Hunting!

>stan u basically said what i
>said

You said its not worth it. I didn't say that. I said it does as much as parts costing more. Do I have a dyno saying it gives 2-6hp. Nope but does todd have timeslips and I called RRE and asked if it helps NA (and does anybody have a dyno for 90% of the stuff we put on). My question to you was why you didn't think it was worth it (stated as "whats the deal")?



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Stan2gnt
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95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user

Thanks for the fuel ratio's guys, eventually when I go with something like the TEC-III I'll need to pick a fuel ratio.

And I do say the S-AFC is worth it. I can feel some difference and reccommend the purchase, and it does look cool.

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wat i meant was that if you are staying na then it's not worth it. dats my advice since he's asking for it. but i do you should get it if you do plan to do some more mods than the basic BPUs i.e. mill head, port/polish, cams, etc. also, i'd like to check out the dyno with the 2-6hp gain. wat year was that eclipse and wat mods did it have?