Whats up guys, Ive been away from the board for a while and I was wondering if crane cams are availible yet for the 420A.

I finally got the motor out of my car and I plan on building it slightly. Had to pull it sooner then I wanted cause of a rear seal leak.

Oh, I want to prepare the motor for turbo this spring, so im going to get forged rods and pistons.

Any suggestions on what kind of rods and pistons and do i have to lower the compression?

Anybody know about the cams at least????

Thanks

LAST EDITED ON 06-Nov-01 AT 10:43 PM (PST)

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Talk to michael97rs, he is working with Crower on this, I hope he remembered to call them back :)

http://howell.mountain.net/Talon/DSMEngineKits.html is the place to get the bottom end kit. $1099.99 comes with pretty much everything.




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Crane Cams still do not fit our 420A. They fit the Neon just fine, and if you want to go through the trouble of indexing the cams, you can install them... I do not! I want to drop in and go!

I am trying to work with Crower to get us cams that fit. I need to talk to them again and sort out some details. If I can get a projected release date I'll let you know.

Howell Automotive has rebuild kits for $1100 that would be great for you. Low compression JE pistons (8.6:1) Eagle Rods gasket set etc. Everythign you'll need. Unless you are planning on running insane levels of boost and running extremely high HP number the Eagle rods will be great. Unless you want to go to HRC Stage 4 or 5 Eagle rods should hold the power.

"The fastest draw is when the sword never leaves the scabbard,
The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
And the cleanest cut is the one withheld."

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To Be Installed: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

Cool, Ill check that rebuild kit out. I was gonna go with Eagle rods, but i wanted to check with the "PROS" first.

When the thread on crane cams began a while back, I thought they were supposed to "drop right in"?

Are there any other cams out there right now that would? I know Gude requires shims of some sort?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Hell yeah,

Just checked out the kit and that is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Its great that it comes with the oil pump and rear main. My rear main is leaking, thats why I pulled the motor in the first place.

One more question...

If I was to go with the 12.5 high compression pistons, what kind of numbers would I be looking at for HP. I have a short ram intake, performance muffler and will also have an UDP for sure. Header is optional, it depends on if I go turbo or not, but an all motor car would be cool too.


Thanks

LAST EDITED ON 06-Nov-01 AT 11:05 PM (PST)

what HP are the eagle rods rated for.... and what kinda boost can you run with that bottom end kit... also wouldn't the 8.5.1 be better than the 8.6.1 that's in the kit since i will be going turbo...

can anybody fill me in on what I asked above..........
TIA

A .1 CR is rally no big deal either way.

The Eagle Rods should easily hold 400hp probably 450-500+ so unless you are really going to go wild they will do.

"The fastest draw is when the sword never leaves the scabbard,
The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
And the cleanest cut is the one withheld."

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aol IM: MJKulga Website: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

All Motor Beast in the Making

Injen CAI, 55mm TB, Hooker 4-1 Stepped Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, SS Clutch Line, NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17. Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors and Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

so what rods would you get to buld a 650 hp monster

$224 each - Cunningham Rods, 4340 Steel Rods, feature H11 Tool Steel bolts, Cross grain between cap and rod to insure the big end has memory and remanins round. Bushed for full floating pins




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All Motor Beast in need of MAJOR TUNING

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


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Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

get the Gude cams they drop right in and you go. As far as the pistons go. Get JE 8:0:1 or 8:5:1 pistons and rods they can with stand up to 500+ horse power. Because the weakest thing in the 420 A motor is the connecting rods. They Suck!!! You can also get a lightened and knife edged crank from Forward Motion(302)658-2829, and the also have forged componets from 8:0:1 to 15:0:1 comp pistons and rod sets also.

Are the gudes REGRINDS? We are talking about BILLET cams made for the car. You more power with a billet cam compared to a reground stock cam. If they are regrinds, of course they drop right in, they are stock cams that have been changed.



http://hometown.aol.com/ohshootuhh/

All Motor Beast in need of MAJOR TUNING

Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono