Umm.. So this guy on another board with an impressively modified 2gnt is mouthing off about how 420a's only have NINETY whp... What is this? He's not the first person to say this, mind you... I have always heard that the RS's got 135hp, down from Dodges' heady estimate of 140.

However, the guy also says he's using 440's at 19psi, so my BS meters' needle has already long since broken off.

Any input from the NA guys? I searched, didn't turn up much..

Originally posted by GhEttOrAiD
Umm.. So this guy on another board with an impressively modified 2gnt is mouthing off about how 420a's only have NINETY whp... What is this? He's not the first person to say this, mind you... I have always heard that the RS's got 135hp, down from Dodges' heady estimate of 140. However, the guy also says he's using 440's at 19psi, so my BS meters' needle has already long since broken off. Any input from the NA guys? I searched, didn't turn up much..

140, check the spec pages on the main 2gnt site

Edit: Located www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=6

Yeah I knew it... well we'll see what his reply is...

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Originally posted by siueclipse
says you.

ive been to the dyno. i know what the car does and dont need to prove it to you. look at the rest of the mod list. its not just boost.

:tard:

http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=6

Unless you soaked your tires in 10w30 overnight prior to the dyno... or... shewt i dont know... pulled two of your plug wires while normally aspirated I dont understand which orifice you could be pulling 90hp from...

Assuming mitsus' figure is at the flywheel, thats like 40 something percent lost in the drivetrain..

And, in any case, MY MAN AIN'T YO BABY DADDY!!

hey now.

they came with 140hp to the crank stock. not the wheels.. and thats a manual. the automatic looses even more.

and yes.. retard. im running 19lbs of boost with 440s at around 120psi of fuel pressure.

why don't you talk to me directly next time.

Not taking any sides here but if it came with 140hp to the crank then the loss through the driveline would be somwhere around 17-19% on a 5speed and around 21-22% on an automatic. Either way that would still come out to be over 100hp to the wheels.

ill respond on genmay when i feel like humoring your ignorance.

0wn3d

i think just about anyone who has talked to me on this board knows i dont bullshit when it comes to my car. ive even showed up to a 2gnt meet and people have seen the madness under my hood.

damn.. youve pissed me off.. why dont you go make another pointless writeup about how to change your damn fluids.

furthermore.. instead of trying to bash my car and show your real intelligence.. why don't you go tune your car. try and make more than your shit hp on 10lbs of boost.


"Needs an hour and a half on a wideband dyno to run larger 550cc injectors, more boost. Engine is good for 25psi safely."

yeah... ok bud.. why don't you show everyone the car can handle that sized of injector with your current mods.

i think you need go go out to your garage and pray that someday youll actually have power.


EDIT: sorry everyone. im just pissed.. and if you know me, you know i dont get pissed.

hmmmm three post in a row wow

and dont worry dude i know your lying its all bs 321 hp hahahaha

(yea im trying even harder to piss you off just so i can giggle more dont take it in offense)

Not taking any sides here but if it came with 140hp to the crank then the loss through the driveline would be somwhere around 17-19% on a 5speed and around 21-22% on an automatic. Either way that would still come out to be over 100hp to the wheels.


sorry for the repost I responded wrong :(

No0bs,when will they learn how to read HP. Torque is king anyway}(

Well...this is awkward.

holy shit this is the first time ive ever seen siueclipse pissed. someones gonna die for this one:nono

also.. sorry 2gnt but you are wrong on the hp rating. according to automobile magazine in 99.. the 99 eclipse gs had 120hp to the crank.

james

James look in the book man it says 140 for all years. Maybe your car had a few issues when you dynoed it that is possible you know. I'm not trying to tick you off man but cars are different, even when they are the same.

it says 140? then why does automobile mag. and my local mitsu dealership say 120? i haven't dyno'ed my car when it was stock. he was trying to BS my current whp.

maybe mitsu inflated the rating just like many other dealerships do.

either way, im not talking about crank hp here. im talking about whp.

shit man some days it feels like my car has 90whp but i believe it was sport compact that dyno'd a 99 rs stock, then with exhaust and then header and they said 104 or something like that to the wheels

How the hell do you measure HP at the crank anyways?

I *KNOW* the magazines aren't actually pulling the tranny and dynoing the flywheel... they're just guessing based on estimated transmission loss and FWD dyno performance. Anyways who cares if it's 120 or 140?

Said it once, ill say it again.

TORQUE OWNZ JOO}(

Lets see some torque numbers!

im sure automobile magazine knows how to dyno a car properly.

how do you think mazda is in so much trouble with their rx8 and their over rating on hp? normal everyday customers dynoed their cars to find it has less horsepower.

james

Originally posted by siueclipse
im sure automobile magazine knows how to dyno a car properly. how do you think mazda is in so much trouble with their rx8 and their over rating on hp? normal everyday customers dynoed their cars to find it has less horsepower. james

Dude, you're fighting a losing battle here. You're just wrong. I have personally seen NA 2gnt's dyno at everything from 118wHP to 125wHP - that is AT THE WHEELS, UNCORRECTED.

I don't give a rat's you know what if your auto rag says different - your rag is wrong too. They were rated from the factory at 140 crank HP, period.

Originally posted by Franklindsm
Said it once, ill say it again. TORQUE OWNZ JOO}( Lets see some torque numbers!

130lb*ft @ 4800rpm and torque isn't shit unless you have the HP to back it up. HP is torque/time

you measure crank HP with an engine dynometer, basically instead of a transmission and all of that stuff that a real car needs, it's just an output from the flywheel to the dynometer (at least i'm under that impression).

Originally posted by docta doom

Originally posted by Franklindsm Said it once, ill say it again. TORQUE OWNZ JOO}( Lets see some torque numbers!

130lb*ft @ 4800rpm and torque isn't shit unless you have the HP to back it up. HP is torque/time you measure crank HP with an engine dynometer, basically instead of a transmission and all of that stuff that a real car needs, it's just an output from the flywheel to the dynometer (at least i'm under that impression).

No really? jk man...i know how you measure HP...

But think about it...what sells a car..HP...hardly ever hear about trq. Its always HP this HP that...

i'll bet 20$ that this is a horrible pointless argument?

If anyone cares, here is a page from official Mitsu literature:


And one from Eagle:


I don't doubt that "a" 2GNT could dyno at 90 whp. Some dynos are optimistic and others are conservative. Some "stock" cars also produce more power than other "stock" cars. I believe that I've seen a dyno plot of a stock AT car that made 107 whp. The other dyno plots I've seen have been at that level and above. If I had a stock car that dyno'ed at 90 whp, I'd question the results. I'd probably test it again elsewhere and/or look for problems with my engine.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

why dont u guys stop bitching back and forth and look in one of the old import tuner magazines its has a RS eclipse and put down just right at 120 whp not sure which mag it was though. They also put nitrous and cam gears and showed what kind of improvement they made. I'll look and see if i can find a link
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I got mine dynoed a year ago at 106hp stock.

Import tuner dynoed the car stock and got the following results:

113.0 hp
112.9 lb-ft



With intake and exhaust

117.2 hp
121.6 lb-ft


Tests were performed by: Dynamic Autosports in Irvine, California

Heres the link to prove it :
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0204it_ppeclipse/index.html

^^^^^^^^true..........i remember........they also tuned the car up before that........if your air filter is old......oil is old......spark plugs and wires are old.......and your on 87 octane......u might pull a 106......and thats sayin there is nothing wrong with your car.......if there is is.......maybe......dont some hondas have around 90 hp......ever raced one? did u lose? NO.......u would lose because of the weight difference......our cars are fat......those hondas arent......they should win right......but they dont??????hmmmmmmmmm..........if u think it has 90 hp go dyno it......if it does......sell it.......SOMETHINGS WRONG..........ive heard some funny stuff before like a right hand drive eclipse imported from japan but sayin an eclipse comes with 90 hp to the wheels stock tops them all........its amazing what people will belive now days.......

dfresh

as for the stock numbers goes this thread is pointless!!! but when you doubt james when it comes to HIS car YOU WILL LOSE!!! i've seen the car in person, hell i even rode in it.. at half throttle that car threw me into the seat. I've seen what he has done to his car and i know he knows what he is talking about. You guys can call bullshit on his numbers for his car all day, but i don't think a single one of you have met him in person. You guys can bicker all day about the stock numbers i don't care... just don't call bullshit on suieclipse's car. Thanks


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"at half throttle that car threw me into the seat."

It's called Timing advance. His numbers are high, I wish my car would put down that much power. It dynoed 265 fwhp 276 torque at 16 psi. Does the 20g make that much of a differance?

140 at the crank is 119 to the wheels, give or take a few depending on the condition of the car. Thier is no argument, Corbin has broken out the offical docs. Case closed! :thumbsup

Pointless is the key word here! Dyno numbers don't do anything for the real world especially in a front wheel drive car. The real test is at the track. What kind of times has everyone here ran at the track?

Originally posted by etx
"at half throttle that car threw me into the seat." It's called Timing advance. His numbers are high, I wish my car would put down that much power. It dynoed 265 fwhp 276 torque at 16 psi. Does the 20g make that much of a differance? 140 at the crank is 119 to the wheels, give or take a few depending on the condition of the car. Thier is no argument, Corbin has broken out the offical docs. Case closed! :thumbsup

my timing might be advanced a tad because of the boost, but i dont advance it purposly.. hell..i haven't even messed with the cam gears yet.

yes the 20g makes a world of difference.

I believe most of the people in this thread were not calling BS on James car, but simply on the fact that 90WHP on a stock eclipse is not right. I had no idea when I made my post that the other member was trying to call his current HP numbers into question. I was simply stating that stock rating was 140. I don't think anyone is trying to call his car into question, except maybe one person.

it doesn't matter.

im wrong i suppose, no swet off my nut sack

Originally posted by amljbs
Import tuner dynoed the car stock and got the following results: 113.0 hp 112.9 lb-ft With intake and exhaust 117.2 hp 121.6 lb-ft Tests were performed by: Dynamic Autosports in Irvine, California Heres the link to prove it : http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0204it_ppeclipse/index.html

Wasnt that the same mag that said that common mods to the RS/GS was a complete 4g63 engine swap?

LOL yeah they did say that but for some reason Sports Compact thinks the same thing. Remeber most of these mags are used to Hondas where swaps are common.