Update on the Modern Performance 60mm throttle body:

Well, here I am again prototyping new stuff for the 2gnt squad. After work I headed on over to simi valley to get the new 60mm throttle body tested. Kevin is the designer of the throttle body for MP (really nice guy) and he had the setup installed and ready in no time. He was suprised how much easier it was than the neon's 420a, b/c we have a throttle cable adjuster on the intake manifold. He showed me the stocker TB and was like "You should definately feel a difference compared to this." (FYI my stocker is 51.5 mm in diameter on the inlet - but that's not a true representation of the actual TB diameter. The inside of the cavity is somewhat beveled in, so it's actually quite smaller. Whereas the 60mm TB is 60mm all the way through) Anyways, after correction of the idle, I was off! I went to take it around the block to see if everything was working fine... and of course, how well...

There was a definate adjustment to make on how hard I pressed the gas, b/c when I first pulled out the car screamed forward. I was like oh damn! Throttle response is absolutely killer now. Just trying to get out of the parking lot was different. I burned out trying to make my way over a speed bump.

Eventually, I get out of the parking lot to the street, accelerate briefly but there was too much traffic to do much. At the first light I make a right, and did what any normal guy does when you have just installed a performance part. I punched it and the car absolutely rocketed. Can I just say wow? It took off SO quickly (I attribute that to the quickened throttle response) and had top end like crazy. Mind you, I was using the stock intake tubing! Felt like a different car. :thumbsup I have a whole new respect for you guys who were talking about what a good mod this would make. You were dead on!


I then notice something chilling in the rear view. So on the very first street I make a right. The car behind me follows. That's right boys and girls, the popo is already on the mitsubishi. Mind you, I didn't even go around the whole block yet - I wasn't even 25% around the block with this thing on my car and I'm already busted. Damnit!
So now I'm making another right, and the popo follows. He doesn't have his lights on but I know he's after me. After I accelerated like that (and I know how mean the magnaflow sounds when I do that) I knew I grabbed everyones attention on the street including his. I'm in a business park kind of area so I'm keeping it at a granny 25mph, and he gets closer and closer. I keep checking the speedo to make sure I don't go past 30. Thinking to myself "lookie, I'm only going 25, he's gotta know I'm okay, he won't pull me over." I make one more right and I'm back in the parking lot where I started. He follows me in and I park in on of the spaces. I'm like "damnit!" and some 30something guy in the parking lot looks at me shaking his head "Not your day huh." I shake my head no. Popo pulls up behind me, I look at my window and he looks out his. Conversation goes like this:

popo (scowls) -"Slow it down!"

me (very angelically)- "Yes sir."

popo - " Slow. IT. Down."

me - "Yes sir."


That's right. Popo said 6 words. I said 4. And he pulls away. Never even gets out of his car. :thumbsup. The 30something guy in the parking lot comes up to me and said "They never have anything better to do huh? Go find a donut shop a-hole." I just starting busting up b/c I'm so happy I get off clean. I go back to the shop trying to be very careful so I don't peal out in the lot as the officer is just leaving, and of course I'm still not used to the TB yet so my car screams again as the popo is just leaving the parking lot. Just one last shot of adrenaline.

On the way home the car constantly felt like it was eager to get somewhere. It was pouring rain over here so I just kept it easy, but the car felt so peppy that it was hard to resist pushing down the throttle. I'm used to the feel now though so I won't be ruining any tires in parking lots again. I came across this wacked ass NSX on the interstate 10 (OMG it was destroyed - big wing in the back, body kit coming off, I noticed at least 3 different kind of wheels on it one of which was a lemon yellow 14", and broken tail lights) so I figured it might be an old 1990 that probably runs as bad as it looks so I tried to play with it. Yea I know don't say it, but I was filling very brave with my car now. Anyways he didn't bite. Damn, would have been good for conversation about this TB.


Anyways, bottom line is - you guys are going to be very impressed with this mod. VERY noticable difference. The TB's in red/blue definately look blingbling (check out the neon TBs below, similar to ours) and this is a company I've heard very good things about.


Ha - no more modding Jeep TBs for us!!!

I can't wait to try this with the AEM V2 - all motor here baby!

I'll take the polished one when the price is released :thumbsup

Damn, they look nice. I wonder how well they will work with a turbo :P
Any info on the price for them?? How long till they are released for sale?

That's cool that someone is making billet 60mm throttle bodys. It's nice to see more parts coming out for 2GNT's.

Here are some pics of my throttle body. It's very similar to these but it was machined by a different place. Just thought you guys would like some pics....

hell yeah man, great review post, i can't wait to get a red one!!!!

Definately post price and availability as soon as you get that info please.

2 questions about these...

1. Will a NeuSpeed bar clear these?
2. Is any one planning to do a dyno to compare them...to say a stock TB, a 55mm TB, and one of these? (on a stock engine, or one that just has an intake)???

They do look great though!!!

will these work if your turbod? if so, will it raise the boost any? or does it just increase throttle response?

Word from David at MP:
"Units should be available within 2-3 weeks and a tenative price has been set for $219.99. "

Hell yes this will work with a turbo. Much more cross-sectional area at WOT should help out flow. As for the strut bar - I don't see why they wouldn't work together, but I can't tell for sure. Post a pic of the bar you are referring to. I don't have the stocker on me right now, but when I get that I'll compare the exterior dimensions and see if the top/front is any different. If they are relatively the same then there shouldn't be any issue with a strut bar.

And I was just getting ready to place an order from Howell w/tax money. I am holding off now. For 219.99, I'll take a polished one when they are ready!!!

EZ, Im assuming that your intake manifold port inlet is still stock and not overbored to match 60mm. Also how difficult was the install, any issues with reconnecting the throttle cable?

lets get a group buy together! hehe, theres plenty of people wanting one.

Hell ya, I'd take one!

I make the jeep Throttle Bodies....I'm a buy on of these...lol

I like the way they look and let me tell you something when you have P&P intake to go with 60MM TB it's CRAZY like driving a different, newer, better car!!!

Well I'm down for a group buy, put me on the list...let's make one up now so that in two weeks we are ready...No waiting and it looks good for the group.

P.S. i can still make Jeep TB for those not wanting to spend that much money money.

well ill take someones old jepp TB if there gettin a new one...otherwaise...ill add it to the long wish list

>>Im assuming that your intake manifold port inlet is still stock and not overbored to match 60mm


Ha ha, you don't know how many people have asked me that already. I haven't done anything (yet) to the intake manifold. After hearing FnNitWit81 back up what I've thought already, that will be coming soon...

As for difficulty for putting on the TB, all you need is an opposable thumb. Really simple to do. Having a second person to push down the gas so you can check the range of the TB is definate help, so ask somebody in the house for 30 seconds of their time. Then you have to set the idle. The first time we just guessed it, and the car started then died. Kevin adjusted it once and then I restarted it - perfect! The only issue is going to be taking some of the screws out from our old TB's. I don't know why, but some of those suckers are absolutely frozen in place. In fact, I have two broken screws now on my old TB so that's why I don't have it on hand right now. Kevin's gonna dremel it for me and then mail it back. So it may be worth it just to make a run to Home Depot and get a couple screws in case they give you difficulty. As for the MP TB, not a single issue came up with it's setup or adjustment. One of the quickest/easiest mods I think for a car, barring a CAI install!

Any more questions, just post em :thumbsup

Group Buy or not, I'll buy one!


Brian

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse RS

Mods: Airbox modification, NGK-BKR5E spark plugs. There was a filter at the end of the stock intake pipe, but i ran over it

I want one, a red one, and Harry I want it by tonite...or 2-3 weeks thats cool too

That is exactly what I wanted ARD to do for me. Port and polish the intake manifold runners and make it 60mm to match the throttle body. Does anyone know if ARD will do this for me? Also, how do you adjust the idle? I need some steps so I don't get into trouble.

im sooooo in.
red or polished i dunno.
i guess it depends on the CAI color i get....

group buy or no group buy. $220 is a great price.

i'm in for one too...group buy would be great though :thumbsup

I'm in !!!

ARD was suppost to get back to me the other day about a total price...they told me around 80 to P&P the intake...I'm gonn afind out soon...the thing they said was they nee gasket to match it up right.

let's get a list goingfor people wanting group buys.

Definately put me down for one! My 420A will be in love :)

HMM I just got the engine out of my car it would be really nice to plop a 60MM TB on there and port it out to match :) how much is this gonna cost please don't let it be a lot, haha I don't want anymore down time than I want, crap if I had 300 bux I'd get a phantom grip :(

I saw our stock TB its weak haha, it as small as the one in my Z :P

oh yeah is there a lotta clearance between the TB and the firewall? You think it'll fit with a Neuspeed strut bar?

lemme know how you do on the mileage also next time you fill up :)

yeah that is one thing, the gas that the car needs to match the new incoming air, let us know ez

Adjusting the idle is not hard, it's just a little screw that you play with. You also should check the tension of the throttle cable with somebody pushing all the way down on the pedal. You don't want it too tight or you'll snap the cable.

As for gas mileage, haven't filled up yet. I'm thinking it should be about the same. Freeway maybe it'll be a little more efficient due to the straight through design (unlike the stocker which is beveled in). In the city, probably a little worse b/c it's akin to pressing down the throttle harder on the old tb. That's all theory though, we should see how it goes. I got 430 to the tank before this and we'll see how it compares.

I saw in a previous post they may be intending to just make them in polished silver. I see that a lot of you are big on getting a red one, so I passed on that information to MP. Let them know you're interest so we can get you the color you want. Honestly, I love my silver one - and it doesn't scream at you as you open the hood - which is what I'm after! with my luck, I need to be able to say "no sir, that's my stock tb."

I want one, plain silver, lemme know when they are availiable. i'm ready to buy any time.
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^^^ Man, this guy. "Anytime"... Wish I could say that. :P But that looks cool tho. I might get one come work time. Cuz that's pretty much the only thing that I might change on my engine, plus a header and that's it. Then gotta get some brakes and a clutch. We will see.

P.S. Hey Eric, how come u get to do all this prototype thingies? Hook me up too with ppl that wanna test out things on my car. :)

Does it come with sensors or do you use the stock sensors? Man my budget is already gone for this year but if it goes thru, I might have to "charge it to the game". I'll find a way to be in. :D


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Definately put me down for a group buy if there is one. Either way I'll be buying one. Thanks for all the info so far EZ.:thumbsup

It's about time that someone's actually making a 60 for us. 60mm simply kicks ass.


95 Eclipse RS : 5 speed
Jeep TB writeup - http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

yeah thats right, you havent said anything about the sensors, do ours just hook right up and what about the gasket, is that included? tia

ahh james, this is the tb you told me about. well if i get one it will be plain silver, and if the price goes down for a group buy. just maybe.
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Michael 99gs
HRC Stage 2 @12psi :D
Stage 3 process begins gathering parts for rebuild

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is it a must to get the manifold p&p'd? will i still notice a big difference if i got this and didn't get a p&p done?
also my obx strut bar barely clears the stock tb as it is, how are strut bars going to be able to clear this thing??

The TB uses all your stock sensors. You just plug them in to the new one. The screws I was referring to that broke off the old tb were the sensor screws (as I recall) so the screws had to be replaced.

I've asked Modern Performance if they will include the gasket. I'll get back to you when I find out.

Also, FYI outlet diameter on TBs
The factory is 2.36"
The New one is 2.56"

just in case you need to figure out CAI outlet sizes, if ya need an adapter or something.


>>>Either way I'll be buying one. Thanks for all the info so far EZ. :thumbsup

Hey, I do what I can for the 2gnt team. This site is all about hooking each other up with insights, info, hookups, and sometimes emotional support! You all don't know just how much you've helped me figure out my car. ;)

that's the other thing i was wondering...what modifications to intake piping need to be done? what intake are you using? also, is it still worth it if the intake mani is not ported where it meets the tb?

so i cant buy the one made for the neon i have seen these for sale...or they making one for the eclipse....i want a polished one!
let me know how to get one...thanks

DAng man i'm just gonna go broke lol so much to buy, not enough money hahaha

Count me in....i'm sure the wife will love this lol after i just spend a grand for my car....

Oh yeah, the silver polished for me...
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i'll definitely want one. i just hope they will still be around sometime this summer. i gotta change my HG and i'm sure a new TB would make my car happy, she smiles already, now she'll have a reason.

i'd like to know about the gasket, would a new one be needed, and if so, would the stock one fit the larger diameter?

im down for red!

If we can get a group buy (depending on price), I'll be in for one.

Okay, I tried to compare dimensions holding the old tb next to the new tb installed on my car. Just eyeballing it, it looks like the top and front extensions are relatively similar - so I'm guessing those strut bars you guys have been talking about should fit. I don't know what kind of clearance you guys had before - so don't use my word as guarantee. I'm only guessing!


As for modifications on the intake piping - none were made or have to be made. I have the OEM intake on right now, but I'm planning on getting the AEM V2. My contact at AEM said it should fit with the MP tb's external diameter.

When are these going to be ready? I really want one. So is $219.99 shipped?

I'm in for a red one!

I hope we can do a group buy and save some $$$!

When you talk about adjusting the idle, which little screw are you talking about? Is it the one that adjusts the half moon black plastic piece where the throttle cable hooks up to that has a torx head on it?
What is that adjustment screw called anyway? Or what?

Deffinately gety a group buy together...looks like at least 20 people want one...hopefully be able to get a nice price reduction for buying bulk...right??? Anyways.. ill go back to dreaming now

i want a silver one :-)

I'm in on a Red one...thanks.....let's get a list goign so whe it's time to order it'll be quick and painless

1) Ronnie FnNitWit81

If it's as good as you guys say it is, I'm jumping on this bandwagon.

Just keep me posted, I might snag me one as well. Thanks.


ryan

ez... do you have any manifold work done? is there a big ridge where the manifold meets the tb, or is it minimal?

when and where are we going to be able to buy them?

Ha! well I hate to tell you i told you so, but I told ya so, lol. Well with the jeep TBs they go from 60mm to 55mm and even with just a 55 mm TB the manifold blocked airflow, so Im sure that with a full 60mm TB it would block it even more. Im kind of wondering how you got the stock intake pipe on there though cuz with the jeep TB we had to lube up our aftermarket intakes (with the silicone couplers) in order for them to fit and they are bigger. That had to really be a tight fit. Get an aftermarket intake and you will love it even more!

Update on fuel consumption (now that I've put on some miles) - seems to be about the same. Maybe a little worse b/c I like to actually accelerate in 5th on the freeway now.


>>>When you talk about adjusting the idle, which little screw are you talking about? Is it the one that adjusts the half moon black plastic piece where the throttle cable hooks up to that has a torx head on it?
What is that adjustment screw called anyway?


Yup. I like to call that idle adjusting screw the "idle adjustment screw." :7 j/p I dunno what it's commonly referred to as

I have seen that the guy from Modern Performance had his own thread about them and was taking pre-orders. I wonder where the whole Group Buy stands, if it's not going to happend, if all have lost interest, if some have gone ahead and ordered or WHAT!. Anyone in charge of the GB? Anyone with answers to all still interested? :wary

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=5&topic_id=43558&mesg_id=43558&page=2


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"The ONLY Honda I'd mod would be ASIMO"

60mm, outstanding, i'm in for the silver one.

sounds great, man! i'll take one if the price goes down with the GB.. otherwise i'mma wait til spring break or so.. hopefully they'll still be aruond then, but red would be nice :)

I want to get a blue one to match my blue AEM CAI, and all my other blue accenting (my car has a white/blue color scheme.

Mines ordered, should ship this week,

tim97rs--- are they on the market now or is your just a prototype.

any update on this tb?(how and where did u order it tim?)

Modern performance told me yesterday they should get the shipment in this week. they are only making a certain number the first go around to gauge interest. goto modern perfomance.com and ask for dave barrera. They wont bill your card till they actualy ship. am looking forwad to getting it since i already sold and shipped my 55mm TB.

alright, it's definitely lined up as my next mod. just have to wait for a spare $200 after spring break. guess that means if u guys want this to be available to all we need to buy these guys out and quick so that they'll know to make more.

how much does it cost.

just called and ordered mine today, they said it seemed to be a popular item. they were shocked when i told them i was on a Navy ship in the Persian gulf though.

How many are they going to make? I want one too.:(