Well.......Had a hunch and guess what!
Went to a local junkyard that a friend of the family ownz. They had a 420a 2.4 DOHC Sebring/breeze/cirrus motor, Trans and ECU, Trans was a 5speed, well came out of a 97, but i looked at the ecu and saw it was a 60 pin, now i am not sure for other year NT DSMS but i know 95 and 96 ECU have the 60 pin while the 97 and up has 68, well to make this short, got the ecu for free, so i figured what the hell try it out, I tried it out and HOLY SHIT! My car had some Low end power and some Top end power to match it, since i work for Satan, talking to a the master tech he told me since its a 2.4, the ecu probobly advances the timing few degrees, and dumps more fuel in. AND ITS A TRAIGHT HOOK UP, No modding needed, well anyway, i went back up there and got 2 more MT ecus and 1 AUTO ECU so if u got 95 and 96 and u fit the reqiurements, IM me and ill hook ya up dirt cheap,(cost of gas to go there and get the others)

i would like to report That the redline is at 7200 still for MT and 7000 for the auto, fuel cut however is rated at 8600 belive it or not, and also, from what ive read, the MT ECU's are very very hard to come by.

Hey man that is a great idea, but needs to be further tested?

I was under the impression that the Eclipse 420a PCM/ECUs where like this:
-1995- Totally different due to OBDI
-1996- First use of OBDII
-1997-Revides from 1996 model
-1998-9- The same little revisions from 97 model

Now the 95 is way different than the rest including pin count. I also though that all OBDII cars had the same pin count, but the 96 ECU had "internal differences". And I was told the Eclipse ECU doesn't advance timing at all or just a little bit. And I think part numbers on Avenger\Eclipse ECUs are the same.

So which ECU did you get? And I know sometimes I do things to me car expecting a gain, therefore i feel a gain, but actually there really isnt, kinda my brain tricking me into thinking there is one.

i'm interested if this is a proven benefit for a 96 5 spd...

Ya got my interest... I have a 95 GS MT, think it would work?

that would be pretty cool for the 95 and 96ers, i love my afx ecu.

So 2.4 Chrysler ECU's work eh?

That's some pretty crazy shit. Neat stuff to know. I guess their ecu setup is more closely related to out platforms than the neons. I've heard the neon ecu's do not work. Although, I'd still like to have someone try.

you have my interest... you have a PM :)

that would be great for you cved, with all your ecu problems lately. have you figured out what's causing the short yet?

what year did the ecus come from??
i have a 95 mt so do i need a 95 2.4 mt ecu???

wells kids, got 4 more ecus today from 3 local junk yards, you can have them for what i payed for them plus 10 bucks, anywho, when i say they make a diffrence they make a diffrence, its not it my head, u can deff feel the power increase, soon as my new high comp motor is broken in i am gona dyno before and after just to prove you wrong, PM me or IM me fopr more info

>>that would be great for you cved, with all your ecu problems lately. have you figured out what's causing the short yet?<<

my thoughts exactly! ;-) i havent had time to figure it out yet, b/c of damn midterms right now.. but hopefully like all have said its the egr harness.. pray for me :)

95ALLmotorFWD: let me know whats up.. sorry for the quick response, but this couldnt have come at a more perfect time (sorta).

I'm interested. I sent you a PM.


95 Eclipse RS : 5 speed
Jeep TB writeup - http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

I wasn't trying to say that you are wrong. Just giving an example of how my mind tricks me sometimes. I want one too, but it is hard to find a 5spd 2.4 ECU. What cars does the 2.4liter 420a 5spd come in?

I'd like to see if these things really work! Hit me up with one. I just PMed you.

Well, the 2.4 ECU drives injectors that are the same size. The 2.4 injectors are the same as the 2.0 injectors, and the FPR is the same. Therefore, the ECU is running the engine rich. Now, I bet if you log your STFT and LTFT, you will notice that it is trying to lean things out a bit (~22%). This may cause it to think that it is under far less load then it really is, which would give a nice boost in timing. The boost in timing alone could make a noticable difference.
-=B-=

Believe me. If I can get one of these - I will definately be posting the fuel & timing curves for comparison.


95 Eclipse RS : 5 speed
Jeep TB writeup - http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

Well I did a little research today and NO 1st gen JA 2.4 cars had a 5 speed from the factory. I have asked people in the neon community and they have confirmed this. If you go to www.car-parts.com and search for the 5spd ECU you will see that there inst one.

Unless those ECUs came from 2gen JA cars or PT Cruisers, which are all much newer than 1996. So will putting a AT 2.4 ECU on a 2.0 MT hurt performance (lower redline). The 5spd on the 95-96 Breeze/Cirrus/Sebring all belong to the 2.0 420a and their heads are turned a full 180 degrees around from ours. The 2.4liter never came with a head that is in the same dirrection as our cars.

Sidenote: 420A is the mistu desingation for the chrysler D4RE engine.

http://www.tomorrowstechnician.com/tt/tt110238.htm

Check that site out.

Soooooo.... your saying us 95 MT guys are SOL.

Goes liek this, whoeverr said theres no 2.4 MT 420a. Wrong!, in 95 the cirrus and breeze and startus or whatever that 4 door is did come in a 5sp, i know a guy who road races one, not to mention the fact the ecu's i have are for the 5speed, now, the heads were reversed but it doesnt matter, i have had one on my car for 3 days now, AND NOTHINGS WRONG!, i am waiting a week beofre i start getting rid of the extra ones i have just to be safe, by pops doesnt want me giving peoplea parts thats gonan harm their car, but just bare with me here for the weeek to end on wensday! then there gonan be shipped out to first come first serve

I want one of the ecu's! I need to replace mine says mitsu and i dont want to have to buy a new one $$$. PLEASE hook me up

If this will indeed hook up to a 96 MT, I want one. How much total are we looking at for one?





Jaeson
'96 Eclipse RS

16.537 @ 84.00 mph, 2.489 60'

Looks:
APC Euro clear bumper lens
front grill
chrome front emblem
Razo carbon fiber pedals
carbon

HAHAHAAHA Looks like I got the AUTO ECU!

PCM not ECU. powertrain control module.

does anyone know about the mopar performance PCM?????

heres all the PCM #s for peeps who row their own. howell has them, as most of you know, in the neon section.

P5007034 1995 DOHC MP PCM
P5007036 1996 DOHC MP PCM
P5007038 1997-99 DOHC MP PCM

A) has anyone tried any of these
B) do they work, got proof?

i have a 96 ESi MT talon w/ HKS Carbon-Ti so im thinking about buying the P5007036 1996 DOHC MP PCM. anyone who thinks this is ludacris or knows that its bunk lemme know. if not i shall proceed. after the V2 CAI. if it works i will post dyno before and after runs of both the V2 and then V2 w/ mopar PCM.

?? as well, if the PCM disables the EGR, is there really a need to get the blockoff kit?

i dont know about anyone else, but since i have a mopar (78 lil red express) im inclined to get the mopar PCM. id trust chrysler more than even A/FX. billions of R&D dollars does get ya some good shit on occasion, and since its domestic rice... its cheaper to get an entire PCM, rather than reprogram.

>PCM not ECU. powertrain control module.

Powertrain control module or Engine control Unit. Same shit man.

i know, i was venting. the guy at the parts counter at the dodge dealer was a tool to me. take no offense.

now if you have a turbo though this'd be a bad upgrade wouldn't it? advancing timing more is bad for boost.

Ive been checking the board everyday trying to figure out when he is going to get rid of the ecu's. I WANT ONE REALLY BADLY! I just dont have the cash to buy a new one from satan, if anyone else can help me if 95allmotor cant, please do. TIA

K, ive had it on my car for 1+ week now, and i love it, no probs or nothing, except my usual CEL light for EGR being blocked, who whos ever interested email me, i got a few Autos most are MT first come first serve, except for the guy who needs a whole new ECU i set one aside for him cause satan was gonan rip him off. IM me, my comp doesnt let me look at PMs:thumbsup

Hell yeah! My instant messenger name is X Hyper TSi X, hit me up if i dont see you first. Thanks man

hey i want to buy one for a '96 nt 5 speed.. pm me! thanks

you have mail! :)

Anyone get one in yet and test it themselves (besides him)? Also.. noticed you didn't post up how much you want for them.. what price? I'm another interested person that wants one! :)

any dyno test?

so this would cause serious gas mileage problems correct? and can anyone forsee any long term damage after doing this? otherwise it sounds cool if it works. please respond anyone else who has done this,

jeff

If he gives me one, I have access to a dyno. I will test it. I know the owner of the shop amd could get in free. If you want me to test it for you, send me one. If I like it, I will buy it from you!! I really want to try one out. My AIM is, CopperEclipseGS, but I already emailed you.

so when do we find out if we're getting one?





Jaeson
'96 Eclipse RS

16.537 @ 84.00 mph, 2.489 60'

watch it fellas

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=44018&mesg_id=44018&page=

Since when has there been a 2.4L cloud car?
-=B-=

I know everybody wants cheap power, but I have said atleast two times, this guy has the wrong ECU. Who knows what kind of damage he has did to his motor.

HE IS TRYING TO SCAMULATE SOME PEOPLE

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=44018&mesg_id=44018&page=


I MEAN, COMEON. SAME GUY WHOS SELLING ECUS CHEAP SAYS THAT SAME ECU DOESNT WORK!!!!!

you know whta ive had it with this board, i didnt sell 12 ecu to anyone so suck my ass. second didnt fuck up my car cause i out my stock one on and went back to normal, 3 i work for a local mitsudealer and even master tech said the only thing it could do to my car is mess up the ecu, so you know what ive had it with u lame ass people who dont know shit about cars, all of u motherfuckers who dont know shit like talon speed need to keep there fuckin mouth shut:nono

>you know whta ive had it with this board, i didnt sell 12
>ecu to anyone so suck my ass. second didnt fuck up my car
>cause i out my stock one on and went back to normal, 3 i work
>for a local mitsudealer and even master tech said the only
>thing it could do to my car is mess up the ecu, so you know
>what ive had it with u lame ass people who dont know shit
>about cars, all of u motherfuckers who dont know shit like
>talon speed need to keep there fuckin mouth shut:nono


shut up and get over it. leave the board or don't, know one cares.

DUDE your an idiot. you posted two topics under the same name,
1) http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=43594 this one where you sell 2.4 ecu stating after a week no problems..... then this post
2) http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=44018&mesg_id=44018&page= here you say that you have a 95 2.4 (HA) and are having ecu problems.

i dont see how your stupid enough to do that under the same name. do you think that we are dolts? i hope that noone would fall for that shit.

BAH, dumbfuck. thats right, im pissed now!!! dont like the board cuz we wont let ya run a scam, SUCK IT.

"QUOTE
you know whta ive had it with this board, i didnt sell 12 ecu to anyone so suck my ass.
***PULITZER PRIZE WINNING LINE***
second didnt fuck up my car cause i out my stock one on and went back to normal,
***holy crap my heads still spinin'***
3 i work for a local mitsudealer
***(its chrysler built-ECU)***
and even master tech said the only thing it could do to my car is mess up the ecu, so you know what ive had it with u lame ass people who dont know shit about cars, all of u motherfuckers who dont know shit like talon speed need to keep there fuckin mouth shut
END QUOTE"

HEY DUMBASS!!! IF IT WORKS WHYD YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR STOCK PCM BACK IN?????

I AM NOT RUNNIGN A SCAM COCK FUCKER I DIDNT SELL 1 SINGLE ECU FOR THE FACT THAT I STARTED HAVING PROBS WITH MINE AFTER A WEEK SO I TOLD PEOPLE I AM NOT SELLIGN THEM NO MORE SO SUCK A MY DICK, EVERYTIME I POST OR ASK A QUESTION NOONE HERE IS EITHER SMART ENNOUGH OR NICE ENOUGH TO HELP ME OUT, ONLY PERSON THAT HAS HELPED ME OUT CLEARLY IS DINO AND CORBIN AND THAT DUDE WITH THE RED gs STAGE 5 THERE THE ONLY ONES WORTH ANYTHING ON HERE

I dont think he is trying to scam anyone on this board.

ALLmotor's second post, (http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=44018&mesg_id=44018&page=)
was posted 6 days after this one.
During those six days, he let his car run with the ECU, waiting for a problem. Surely enough, there were problems and he posted the second thread shortly after.

It's a good thing he let it sit in his car for 6 days and didnt send out any ECUS. He didnt hurt anybody, only himself. Thanks to him, we know that ECU wont work (if there even is an ECU that exists).

OMG, LOL this guy is so dumb.

But really guys he isn't trying to run a scam. This is what happened:

This guy went to a junk yard thinking he had found a 5spd ECU for the 2.4 engine, but he didn't. He claimed that it gave him good amounts of power, but somehow he finally tested it yesterday and got CEL out the ass.

If you said it gave you so much power last week, how come you only tested it yesterday??? ECU dont have to go thru a break in, what is being broken in??? LOLOLOL ECU learn airflow and other characteristics with in minutes.

This guy did try to sell me one for $50 + shipping. I declined because I knew he had the wrong ECU. And to make things worse he talked to me using AIM and didn't know that I was TalonSpeed and knew he had the wrong ECU. Talking about BUSTED!!!!!!!!

Then the guy claims to work at a Mitsu dealership, which he might. But he is one technician that aint working on my car!!!

And to end this sorry excuse for a thread, I have a printout of the ECU pin outs for the 1995-1999 2gnts!

well dipshit, i was breakin in my hih comp motor that i put together myself, i know what i am doin and i dor work at a mitsu dealer as a tech in trainign, as DualGen2, and we do have a 95 Sebring 2.4 420a MTX. ill take pics of it to prove it!

>well dipshit, i was breakin in my hih comp motor that i put
>together myself, i know what i am doin and i dor work at a
>mitsu dealer as a tech in trainign, as DualGen2, and we do
>have a 95 Sebring 2.4 420a MTX. ill take pics of it to prove
>it!


All ECUs for the 1996 Sebring
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Coupe, 4-122 (2.0L), MT, Calif
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Coupe, 4-122 (2.0L), MT, Fed
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Coupe, 4-122 (2.0L), AT
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Coupe, 6-153 (2.5L)
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Conv, 4-148 (2.4L)
Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (L fr eng comp), Conv, 6-153 (2.5L)

Please take note there isn't a MT option for the 2.4 engine. And by the way the 2.4 Engine isn't called the 420a either. The Neon 2.0 motor isn't called the 420a either, it is called the DR4E I think. DSM made up the name 420a and flipped the head and block around.

Geez guys, go easy on him. He was trying to do something to help everyone out, but it didn't work and he didn't sell them. I think its cool that someone has the balls to hook up something untried to his car, and share the info with us.





Jaeson
'96 Eclipse RS

16.537 @ 84.00 mph, 2.489 60'

he never said that the threads had anything to do with one another.
to me that indicates a jagoff. on a similar topic anyone heard about that RX-7 forum in the northwest where a guy STOLE anothers car and then tried to part it out on the same forum? hes was an idiot, took pictures of parts with HIS ADDRESS ON THE BOXES!!, cops arrested this guy after the moderator w/ military training did a recon mission. i hope there is no one here thats dumb enough to try that. so i was waving my BS flag all around.

better safe than sorry.

weve all been burned, im just dont want this to be where we steal eachothers money using the trust of fellow 2GNTers.

next time let the people that HAVENT PM,IM,EMAILED you know whats up. i havent gotten in touch w/ you other than here. so take it from that perspective as well as your own.