I would never swap, not just fo rmoney but also because the project is to big for me. but this question was killing me, because I could never figure out why you guys have never mentioned the chrysler 3.5l turbo engine when you talk about swaps. Would it not fit or something? It seems like it would.....

You mean 2.5L ?

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>You mean 2.5L ?

that's what i'm guessing he means.. the old 2.5L I4 turbo they put in the K-cars and caravans, infact the fastest FWD chrysler is powered by that 2.5L turbo and there are a couple really fast FWD mini vans powered by that motor.

also someone had some info a while back about the 420a being partely derived from that motor.. perhaps it could be close enough to be a not too terribly difficult swap.

It's similar and different. Main difference is 8 valves vs. 16 valves.

Similarities are that the 2.2 and 2.5 shared the same bore only the 2.5 had a longer stroke and balance shafts, just like the 2.0 and 2.4 do. . .The bore is the same between all 4 engines, 3.44 in.



Check out www.allpar.com and you can read about the 2 engines all day long.

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No.... I was talking about the Eagle Vision Tsi. It has the 3.5l turbo. But I guess it wouldnt fit. I just got this idea that if its eagle its close enough. oops.

the eagle vision has a turbo? I don't think so (my information could be wrong) but just because it says TSi doesn't mean it's a Turbo... definatly a V6 though..

yep.. it's a NA 3.5L in the TSi vision.. the lower vision had a 3.3L V6. neither are turbo...

Ooooh ok. I thought Tsi meant the same as with the Talon. Well, for information purposes, would it fit?

eclipse's have big engines bays.. it'd probably fit.. but it probably wouldn't be any easier then swapping any V6 into the car.

drop a small block in b4 a v6 imo. :P or just drop in a turbo and call it a day.

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Ya know if i was going to do ANY KIND OF SWAP id first make sure there is enough crap out there in the market for that specific kind of engine I was looking at....thats one thing Honda owners dont have to worry about because every single engine that is made for there cars there is atleast a trillion things they could add to there cars to make it go faster....one of the things I dont like about the 420a engine...to me there is just not enough product out there to choose from.....that is why if I every get the urge which i do sometimes is get a honda civic hb perferabbly the 1998 bodystyle or around that date and Spoon the damn thing out even with the B18C5 engine

^^ that makes me wanna cry when I hear that...

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Is the 3.5L the Mitsubishi 6G7X that was used in the Mitsubishi Montero?

I guess it would..
But if you think about it.. what go fast mods are there for any cars?
You could get an air filter, exhaust, headers for ANY car..

~Tacoman

> Ya know if i was going to do ANY KIND OF SWAP id first make
>sure there is enough crap out there in the market for that
>specific kind of engine I was looking at....thats one thing
>Honda owners dont have to worry about because every single
>engine that is made for there cars there is atleast a
>trillion things they could add to there cars to make it go
>faster....one of the things I dont like about the 420a
>engine...to me there is just not enough product out there to
>choose from.....that is why if I every get the urge which i
>do sometimes is get a honda civic hb perferabbly the 1998
>bodystyle or around that date and Spoon the damn thing out
>even with the B18C5 engine

Hey, will any admins let me beet his arse? I'm just playin, but really, we don't want to hear you advertising honduh hatches here. go to some honduh board to tell them how great BeOneAteShitFive engines are.

>> Ya know if i was going to do ANY KIND OF SWAP id first make
>>sure there is enough crap out there in the market for that
>>specific kind of engine I was looking at....thats one thing
>>Honda owners dont have to worry about because every single
>>engine that is made for there cars there is atleast a
>>trillion things they could add to there cars to make it go
>>faster....one of the things I dont like about the 420a
>>engine...to me there is just not enough product out there to
>>choose from.....that is why if I every get the urge which i
>>do sometimes is get a honda civic hb perferabbly the 1998
>>bodystyle or around that date and Spoon the damn thing out
>>even with the B18C5 engine
>
>Hey, will any admins let me beet his arse? I'm just playin,
>but really, we don't want to hear you advertising honduh
>hatches here. go to some honduh board to tell them how great
>BeOneAteShitFive engines are.


Why beat his ass? all he said was that in his opinion it's easier to do a swap with a honda engined car? How does that warant an ass whuppin? Maybe a slap across the face, but not an ass whuppin....

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ya ...while you all are talkin bout hondas...i got an 88 accord lxi..... theres not alot of parts for it...but if u know how to build cars(like me) you can get it down to 7.3 in the 1/8 mile...no swap...2.0 sohc....but i'm lookin for parts for my 97 eclipse

Bwahahaha...

All real "Import Tunerz" have a 7 second car or 2...

Some of the great Toonahz have a 6 second car, but 5 second cars are rare.

-=B-= <=== has a 3 second Ferarri
3 second Ferarri <===== appeared in a dream after doing the 5 speed swap from hell, and is probably based on my 1/18th scale Ferarri model

The 3.3l, and 3.5l engines in the LH cars are chrysler derived motors.They share no parts with the Mitsu 6g's.One swap that might acutaully be doable is the 3.0l v6 out of the 95-99 Avengers.They have the same engine bay as us so it would probably be farely straightforward.

1997 GS
Normally-aspirated and staying that way
OBX-R Type H Exshaust
OBX-R Test Pipe
AEM Long Ram CAI
Denso Spark Plugs
MSD 8.5mm Spark Plug Wires
K@N Valve Cover Breather
OBX Front Strut Tower Brace
Stillen Rear Strut Tower Brace
VIS Vented Carbon Fiber Vented Hood
Arospeed Bumper Brake Wing
Sparco Shift Knob
Koni Adjustables
Eibach Racing Pro Springs
Buschur Racing Fuel Pump Upgrade
Crower Stage 3 Racing Cams
AEM Timing Gears
Upgraded Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers
Greddy Header
Thermal Header Wrap
---Minus the back seat-----
---Minus all A/C Accessories---
---Minus all Powersteering Accessories---
No Stupid Neons
No stupid indiglo gauges
No Stupid bass system radio
No Stupid Window Pisser Lights
---If it doesn't make my car go faster or run better, it won't be on my car-----

Ladies ladies ladies....sheesh...I swear im at a PMS convention...a guy mentions a Honda and your tampons exploxed...sheesh is it not good for me to voice my opinion good or bad? weather Id make comments about someone wanting to do a swap or someone wanting to do some kind of horrendous show circuit crowd stopper....yea I said Honda...and I might just say Honda again....heck I might even say some guys car is freakin ugly I have done it before and I will do it again...so if I want to say something negative...i can do it because this is a forum and we all can say whatever we want and if any of you dont like my comments cry to your mommy because I will say whatever I feel like saying unless I am threatening someones life then I wont say anything

>Ladies ladies ladies....sheesh...I swear im at a PMS
>convention...a guy mentions a Honda and your tampons
>exploxed...sheesh is it not good for me to voice my opinion
>good or bad? weather Id make comments about someone wanting
>to do a swap or someone wanting to do some kind of
>horrendous show circuit crowd stopper....yea I said
>Honda...and I might just say Honda again....heck I might
>even say some guys car is freakin ugly I have done it before
>and I will do it again...so if I want to say something
>negative...i can do it because this is a forum and we all
>can say whatever we want and if any of you dont like my
>comments cry to your mommy because I will say whatever I
>feel like saying unless I am threatening someones life then
>I wont say anything

Good.. you should say what you want.. I agree with you.. But people try to say when someone is wrong. Hondas have been doing swaps all the time. They swap Prelude motors in CRXs.. where you have a big motor, and not alot of space. Nothing is bolt on.. but they still do the swap. They take out things like AC or PS.. but which true performance enthusiast really wants that :-) .. But if they do want it.. they make custom brackets (like when you do the 2.4L swap). I don't know why we (DSMers) are scared to do any swaps, while Hondas are doing them left and right, and they've been doing it for 6-7+ years.. as far as I know of.

Swapping engines is not something new. Even Domestic car people do it, thats kinda like where we got it from. We (DSMers) probably don't do it, because our motor is pretty good how it is, and it is proven to get "alot" of power. But how can you say it is "alot"? We are striving to get what alot of non-modified motors are getting..

If you want to do the swap, you should, if it is viable. I don't know why we are sooo scared about anything about swaps. I mean, the 2.4L swap is ALOT of work, from what I've heard, custom mounts, custom oil pans, custom brackets, changing the electronics, and much more... This is "just" (kinda) like swapping in any other motor.

The 2.0L -> 2.4L "swap" isn't as easy, as what the 2.5L->3.0L V6 ASOGers do. But we still do it.. The Prelude motor swap in a Civic is like trying to swap a V8 into a Ford Festiva/Aspire :-) , but they still do it.. why? Because they can.

Seriously people, I am not trying to get into an argument about what is better, Hondas, DSMs, Subarus, Nissans, whatever.. all of them are good, some have better points than others, some have worse.