What is the performance/wear difference between ceramic coated headers and just plain old steel? Also is pace setter a good brand?

pacesetter is cheap, thats all i can say, if your into looks, dont get it, they also dont always fit well, you get what you pay for. the good steel ones will last as long as ceramic though

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how about the ceramic pacesetters? how do they measure up?
it seems there is a consensus that the pacesetter steel (black) ones will look like crap. anybody have those chikaras? i am contemplating getting headers but i wanna make sure i do not lose any low end torque. which brands have the 4-2-1? am i the only one who cringes at the thought of spending 400+ bucks on headers... ?



Marc
'98 GS AT
Magenta Gray Pearl
NGK Plugs and Wires
AEM Short Stack
GS-T Exhaust
Bored throttle body
Bored Intake manifold
AFX underdrive pulley
RRE Front Lower Bar

bare steel only last if its constantly heat cycled so if your car ever sits for long periods without being driven then you need ceramic coated headers. If you want your headers to look good more more than 1 minute after you put them on the car you still want ceramic. You likely wont feel any performance difference. Pacesetter is low quality and may require a little work to fit (dont try to install pacesetter headers in your driveway. prefereably a muffler shop) but will do. I had em before.


Stan2gnt
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95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user

What would(will) I buy? Ceramic coated interior and exterior. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. If you run the car daily the steel will last a long time, but like Stan said if you rcar sits for any period of time (like mine) then go ceramic. standing moisture doesn't affect the ceramic coating, but will rust bare steel. Also ceramic coated heaters have better heat dissipating properties than steel, and will keep things a little cooler than a steel header.

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where is a good place to buy ceramic headers??

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Wonderful double posting sorry, look below for a couple places

"To strive to seek to find... and not to yield."
Michael J. Kulaga e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com
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Injen CAI w/ K&N Breather Filters, AFX UDP, 55mm TB, GS-T Muffler, FU/RU/RL STBs, Front NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., Red Silicone Hose Kit, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Bosch Rapidfire Plugs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17

And in my Room: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Intake manifold 4 porting, Rear Motor Mount Ins. RRE FL Tie Bar(Well Almost), Slver Cadmium Plated KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads (Well Almost)

http://www.howellautomotive.com or http://www.newedgeracing.com

And thanks Skrila

"To strive to seek to find... and not to yield."
Michael J. Kulaga e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com
aol IM: MJKulga Website: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

Injen CAI w/ K&N Breather Filters, AFX UDP, 55mm TB, GS-T Muffler, FU/RU/RL STBs, Front NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., Red Silicone Hose Kit, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Bosch Rapidfire Plugs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17

And in my Room: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Intake manifold 4 porting, Rear Motor Mount Ins. RRE FL Tie Bar(Well Almost), Slver Cadmium Plated KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads (Well Almost)

One other place to look that I just noticed was Extreme Motorsports. They list theirs at only $275, which was a complete surprise to me. I thought they were much more than that before.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

I heard the 4-1 are better than 4-2-1. I was thinking about Greddy. I hear good things about hotshot, but don't know where to get them I was gonna get stainless steel. I am not getting headers though. I am gonna wait till I go turbo. It would just be a waste of $$$ right now.

4-1 is a top end header, chances are youll lose bottom end with a 4-1. 4-2-1 will offer less top end gain but more mid and low end gain

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so who makes 4-2-1s?


'98 GS AT
Magenta Gray Pearl
NGK Plugs and Wires
AEM Short Stack
GS-T Exhaust
Bored throttle body
Bored Intake manifold
AFX underdrive pulley
RRE Front Lower Bar

BroSpeed, Aeromass, Nuespeed, and Pacesetter... those are what come to mind.

"To strive to seek to find... and not to yield."
Michael J. Kulaga e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com
aol IM: MJKulga Website: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

Injen CAI w/ K&N Breather Filters, AFX UDP, 55mm TB, GS-T Muffler, FU/RU/RL STBs, Front NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., Red Silicone Hose Kit, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Bosch Rapidfire Plugs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17

And in my Room: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Intake manifold 4 porting, Rear Motor Mount Ins. RRE FL Tie Bar(Well Almost), Slver Cadmium Plated KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads (Well Almost)