Ok so i got a 95 eclipse gs all stock im looking to rebuild engine for performance because im going to turbo it later on. But first i was looking for the best stuff to get before i touch engine all the best stuff for horse power like top 5 parts. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I was thinkin of getn cai (cold air intake) first but idk which is best so if u list 5 parts i hope u wouldnt mind posting the exact name of part. I am new to all this and lookin for the best advice thanks

http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=Stage_1

Ok so all that u just listed will help with hp, Cause i dont want to do anything to engine because im going to take to shop and get all stuff i need to build low compression on the engine. An i dont want to buy a part that im just going to have to replace with another part get me? So i plan on rebuilding engine with low combression pistons and then getin hks turbo kit. Any suggestions

Proper spelling, capitalization and grammar please. If you want us to treat you like an adult you need to show us that you have some level of formal education

Lol ok, Did not know slang was not approved on site my apology's

Plus, there is no such thing as an HKS turbo kit for the 420a.

Use the SEARCH!!!! And read until your eyes bleed. Then, read some more. It's not that simple and easy. If it was everyone would be doing it.

Originally posted by GsNewbie
Lol ok, Did not know slang was not approved on site my apology's

There's a difference between slang and lazy text speak. Type like an adult and you'll be treated like one. Those of us that have been around here for a while have a lot of help and information to share, and we're happy to share it but we don't like having to translate the laziness beforehand. In most cases the people that aren't willing to do their best to use the english language properly have proven themselves to be the types of people that nobody really wants to deal with in the long run.

Ok my apology's, An i meant Hahn RaceCraft I don't know what I was thinking when I said Hks. It would be nice to get some advice.

Originally posted by GsNewbie
It would be nice to get some advice.

Cool. What, specifically, do you want advice on?

I did some research and just want to know if this would be good idea as a start. I plan on getting cai,headers,Cat back exhaust,msd ignition wires, and if anyone else has suggestions on what else would be great. I'm not to great with great with cars yet but we all have to start somewhere. An after all that I plan to save up a little to get rebuild kit off howellautomotive http://howellautomotive.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=402

An after I rebuild, I plan to get the Hahn RaceCraft turbo kit. Sound good? Or if anyone could help on some suggestions that would be great. I am aware that getting headers and cai would be pointless if I'm getting turbo but I am doing engine rebuild first and then turbo, Its a long process so I just want some mods on car before i start saving up. Thanks for any suggestions.

There have been alot of members on this site who have had horrible experience with howell automotive. Just off of the feedback I've seen from others, I would highly recommend you source somewhere else on a rebuild kit. Low comp. pistons and forged rods for turbo. I think ebay has a kit with wiseco pistons and eagle rods for around $800. But if you decide to rebuild, do it right the first time so you won't have to do it again later.

Yeah, don't give Howell the time of day. They consistantly have proven to be the worst providers of customer service in the DSM community.

Good job on actually posting like a big boy. :thumbsup

Ditto on Howell. Don't even waste your time with them or you will find yourself waiting an inordinate amount of time for your parts.

Originally posted by GsNewbie
I did some research and just want to know if this would be good idea as a start. I plan on getting cai,headers,Cat back exhaust,msd ignition wires, and if anyone else has suggestions on what else would be great. I'm not to great with great with cars yet but we all have to start somewhere.

I think I got an idea of where your goals are right now. And looking at your experience and goals, I would say you're off to a good start.

You're going to be limited by our baby-ass ECU, but you can add a little pop with a couple more items. You may also look into a UDP and a 55-57mm throttle body. Both items that will give you a little more "scoot around" power. You should be able to install these your self.

And both of those you can use with turbo (though you may eventually want to upgrade to a 60mm throttle body - depending on how much power you go turbo).

Thanks everyone for your responses I really appreciate it. Ok what rebuild kit from which site do y'all suggest?? An if their is any more mods I can do to my car before I start to save up throw those idea's at me so I can get to buying. An with headers,cai,Cat back,msd,55-57mm throttle body, and UDP what kind hp gain or torque am I looking at?

If you are building for the eventual goal of boost, why waste your money on CAI, header, etc? If you buy those parts, you will end up pulling them all off and selling/junking them anyway.

I suggest you purchase parts that you will be able to keep on the motor when you go turbo.

Yea I know but it will be a while before I get turbo. I got to save up for rebuild kit and then after I get that, I will have to save up for turbo so I am getting those mods now so I can at least have some kind of mods on car.

Originally posted by GsNewbie
Yea I know but it will be a while before I get turbo. I got to save up for rebuild kit and then after I get that, I will have to save up for turbo so I am getting those mods now so I can at least have some kind of mods on car.

It's all about how deep your pockets are at this time. Assuming that you are going with a name brand CAI and header, you are going to spend somewhere in the ball park around $800 without shipping. That's about half that it would cost you to piece together your own turbo kit. Most members on here have been piecing together their own kits for about $1600-$2000 which are stage two kits with intercooler and are boosting 6-8psi on stock bottom end. The BST section is full of members parting out turbo kits at decent prices.

And later as your knowledge for turbo and appetite for boost increases, you can rebuild your block to run higher boost.

Just my 2 cents.

I like that idea but I got 147,000 miles on engine right now I don't know if boost with that many miles would be good choice. I just want to be sure before I boost car thats why I am buying mods now and saving up for rebuild kit and then turbo, I dont want to make mistake and boost car and engine blow or some of that nature then it would cost me more money in long run. What U guys think??

Originally posted by GsNewbie
I like that idea but I got 147,000 miles on engine right now I don't know if boost with that many miles would be good choice. I just want to be sure before I boost car thats why I am buying mods now and saving up for rebuild kit and then turbo, I dont want to make mistake and boost car and engine blow or some of that nature then it would cost me more money in long run. What U guys think??

Yup, I'm with you on that. As for a CAI, you can get them off E-bay for a whole lot cheaper. IMO nothing wrong with that. BUT I'm partial to the "Ram-air" set-up. Its basically 1/2 the length of the CAI and in my experience in the 1/4 mile, it is more effective. A direct comparison showed I had better times with the "Ram Air".

So you put out a few hundy extra for parts that you can't use on the turbo build (maybe you re-coup $50 seling those parts as used). In the mean time you are assembling a built bottom end at your pace.

If you can justify the extra $250ish then fine.

Yea I was going to go with the short ram and then just buy the filter from auto zone, Atleast u got what I was saying bullet I thought I was in that cave alone for a minute. It will take me month to get the money I need to get a good rebuild kit so in mean time I can get a little more hp with the cai n sum other mods... Know of any good rebuild kits on some sites?? I need a good estimate on how much I need to save up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-99-MITSUISHI-ECLIPSE-MASTER-ENGINE-REBUILD-KIT-420A-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4ceb989e4eQQitemZ330370162254QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I got this rebuild kit on my old eclipse and i also got my friend to get it too. My car ran on 80,000m before i crashed it...and my friend has like 90,000miles on his...so it isn't bad at all...


Anyway, if you have the money, i would get the bottom block done now so you dont have to worry about it later...

So, if you were to get some eagle rods and je low comp pistons, and the rebuild kit, then when you get the money to continue, buy a turbo kit and fuel managment...

any1 know if that rebuild kit is any good???

I think that the best option for the rebuild would be to go down to your local machine shop and get them to order up your parts(assuming you have a good machine shop). That way you can get it hot tanked and bored included in the price. I would also suggest getting ARP head studs at that time as well. And you should be looking at around 1500 or so dollars for the rebuild kit, hot tank, etc.
And as far as modding now, I would suggest getting just the UDP, Throdle body, Port match your IM to get the most out of the TB, And a cheap ebay exhaust. That will be plenty of money on modding and you can use all those parts on the turbo build.

Yea I think I will go that route and go to shop and have them put together the stuff. With the stuff u just listed will I get any kind of boost with it?

Originally posted by GsNewbie
any1 know if that rebuild kit is any good???

I'm not familiar with that kit , but my concerns are; I don't know what kind of tensioner is there; I don't know what kind of headgasket is there; those pistons are not forged (which is what you want when doing a turbo rebuild) plus a few more.

But if you are doing a basic stock/get her back on the road rebuild, then that would probably do the trick. The question of course is how long and how well.

Your best bet is to get the parts separately. IMO, E-bay works fine for pistons and rods. Something like this;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JE-Pistons-Eagle-Rods-Dodge-Neon-420a-2-0L-ECB-ECC-_

Then you can go to a place like Modern Performance. For bearings and gaskets etc.

Or you can get this off Modern's Site;

http://www.modernperformance.com/bottom-engine-rebuild-9599-neon-dohc-p-1606.html

As pointed out, sometimes the bearings will be cheaper at the machine shop you go to.

In addition Rock Auto may be less expensive;

http://www.rockauto.com/

Thanks bullet for providing that information was useful accept one link was unavailable. My question to u is do you think its a good idea to just go to shop and explain to them my goals and what I want?? An have them do the piecing together. They will know a lot more then what I know and I might be able to save money by letting them put it together.

u is NOT equal to You.

You were doing well for a few posts, but since then you've slipped back into old habits...

Dude give me a break who changes their writing style in 1 day?? 1 typo and you jump on my back. No one is perfect. I am trying my best, all I am doing is looking for help with my car I am not starting trouble or nothing in that nature.

1 typo? Really? I don't think so. Typos are honest mistakes that are easily overlooked. A quick, unintentional misspelling or the like. We all make typos.

Lame text speak is just sheer laziness.

Many people think it's not a big deal, but in reality it is. It gives us a little window into your character. If you're too lazy to bother using the english language properly, does that mean that you're going to be too lazy to bother taking the amazing advice and information here and applying it correctly? Possibly not, but you're presenting yourself in a manner that says, "I don't care about anything." and that's all that we can see.

Call me an asshole if you like, it's nothing new to me, but I'm trying to make you a better 2GNT'er, and maybe even a better person.

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
Call me an asshole if you like

Asshole. ;)

Seriously though, Erik is correct. Present yourself as an adult, if you wish to be treated as one. A few minor errors are easily excused. But, we aren't your texting buddies. And yes, your balls will continue to be busted should it persist.

Think of it this way; Would you waltz into a job interview wearing shorts hanging down past your ass with a sideways ballcap, and address the interviewer as "bro" or "dawg?"

Same principle here.

There is more knowledge and practical experience available for this platform, on this site, than any other on the web. And we're happy to assist you, if you help yourself first.

You call it laziness haha, so since I made 1 typo I am lazy now?? Your a real judge of character I tell ya. Like I said when your use to typing a certain way it sticks with you, I am not writing a college paper so my writing slips a little. That is no reason to be judgmental on my character.I have seen numerous people on here go the short route and use n (an) which is lazy according to you and you even responded to them but not about their writing so instead of proof reading everyone of my reply's like your a professor and just relax. I am responding as a adult if I make one typo it does not mean I am not being professional ( I do not know where you got that at ) But honestly I am sorry man I will work harder at it but lay off a little.

Originally posted by GsNewbie
You call it laziness haha, so since I made 1 typo I am lazy now?? Your a real judge of character I tell ya. Like I said when your use to typing a certain way it sticks with you, I am not writing a college paper so my writing slips a little. That is no reason to be judgmental on my character.I have seen numerous people on here go the short route and use n (an) which is lazy according to you and you even responded to them but not about their writing so instead of proof reading everyone of my reply's like your a professor and just relax. I am responding as a adult if I make one typo it does not mean I am not being professional ( I do not know where you got that at ) But honestly I am sorry man I will work harder at it but lay off a little.

Whoa now. Seriously, I’m going to have to agree with Erik and Paul here. This is our community, our home. Everyone that replied to your post welcomed you and gave advice. You wouldn't just walk into someone's home without wiping your feet first and obeying the rules of the home would you?

On top of that I feel that they have been very lenient with you. It's ok to have a misspell or two, but just about every post by you is grammatically incorrect. They are just trying to correct you early on before it gets to a point where we can't understand your text, which can be very frustrating.

I'm not being a prick, but me and many others would agree that lazy writing style reflects your character. So, in other words members on here will think if you are too lazy to check your grammar, then are you worth the time and effort to respond.

Word of friendly advice would be not to start pissing people off. Use a spell check if you have to. Hell, I know I use it plenty of times. :)

Alright with that off my chest, lets all get along here.

Fair enough

Originally posted by megaskillz
I'm not being a prick

Yes, you are a prick and Erik; you are an asshole.
(You guys know I couldn't pass that up :P )

But anyway, Ryan, what the hell were we talking about........

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by megaskillz I'm not being a prick

Yes, you are a prick and Erik; you are an asshole. (You guys know I couldn't pass that up :P )

Tell me something I don't know :P

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by megaskillz I'm not being a prick

Yes, you are a prick and Erik; you are an asshole. (You guys know I couldn't pass that up :P )

Tell me something I don't know :P

You guys are hilarious. :)

Originally posted by GsNewbie
I don't know exactly what you mean by " what the hell was I talking about " ??

We got off on a grammatical tangent. Where do you stand with your questions now?

(just trying to get back on topic after the "introductions" to our site)

Originally posted by megaskillz

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by megaskillz I'm not being a prick

Yes, you are a prick and Erik; you are an asshole. (You guys know I couldn't pass that up :P )

Tell me something I don't know :P

You guys are hilarious. :)

Sorry, I knew that already. :p

I don't know exactly what you mean by " what the hell was I talking about " ??

I find that 2.2L Stoker engine set up pretty sweet.