why the hell are the greddy headers so much .... the brospeed are reasonably priced but is it as good ? i know the greddy has a flex pipe ..which is a good thing and the brospeed doesnt ... so should i just splerge and get the greddy ? is the flex pipe even worth it ? and will both hook up to my stock pipe with little or no problems? let a brother know !!


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Look at the picture of the Brospeed on Howell, there isn't a flex section(which I don't like them anyway) but there is a flex joint, so you should be fine, and I would think without the flex section you'll flow better anyway.

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LAST EDITED ON 26-Apr-01 AT 10:10 AM (PST)

why the hell is pacesetter so cheap ?
i noticed that the brospeed is like 85 less than greddy .. what would u recommend ... i dont mind getting the greddy but if the difference is minimal in power than i will go to brospeed .. im notto sure about this what about u guys with headers?

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my cousin had pacesetter and got rid of it for a greddy. he didnt like it at all. i didnt get to see it but he said the tip started rustin like 1 month after he got it and it didnt even sound close to what his greddy does. go with greddy all the way!
at least that is what i plan on doing hehehe


Talon
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Talon, the guy was talking about headers not cat-back :)
but anyway, I would get the Greddy headers or you can get Hotshots (I have Hotshots and I like it) not sure about Brospeed but I think it's 4-2-1, if that's the case, then I wouldn't get it. Greddys and Hotshots are 4-1 and that's why I like them better.

Adel

i like the bottom end power from my pacesetter headers but thats about it. they are ugly and that stupid flex joint sounds like ass. im gonna have a real one put in.

aem cai
pacesetter headers
gs-t exhaust
red altezzas
rims, tires, and a bunch of other little stuff....that list is way too short....more will come!

The Brospeed doesn't have a metal to metal flex joint like the pacesetter, it has a dounut gasket like DC sports/factory honda headers and allows flex their (no flow restrictions their at all). As someone who's had pacesetter and Brospeed I cantell you its build quaility is 10 fold better and very good in genral (better than I expected from Bropseed). I perosnally wouldn't trade it for a greddy of anything else. The reason greddy's cost so much more is obvious. Its the only one thats Stainless steel.


Stan2gnt
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stan i will accept your word as fact man brospeed it is ... thanks guys ... now its on to an exaust



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SToCk 14" Rims ( gotta have these )
StOck MuffLer ( rust included )

I personally don't see stainless steel as an advantage. I would much rather have ceramic coated in and out, nice smooth coating, and disipates heat better than just metal. Which I think the Brospeed is, Stan? is the Brospeed interior and exterior ecramic coating?

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Injen CAI w/ K&N Breather filters, 55mm TB, FU/RU/RL STBs, Red silicone hose kit, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Bosch Rapidfire Plugs

And in my Room: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, GS-T Muffler, Intake manifold 4 porting, Energy Suspension Motor Mount Inserts. RRE FL Tie Bar, TSW Blade 17x7.5 (need tires)

i was also reffering to the headers and complete catback
oh well


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LAST EDITED ON 27-Apr-01 AT 02:00 PM (PST)

The Brospeed is coated inside and out. I cant say that I wouldn't get the greddy if I didn't already have the brospeed but already having it it gives me no reason to change to anything else. Ceramic coated mild steel actually has a much greater resistance to heat than bare S.S. but SS is expensive and hard to manufacture. Brospeed headers where I see them aren't any cheaper than the Greddy. Brospeeds cost $350 when I bought them and only see them higher now. Greddys can be had for under $400 too. The dyno on the Greddy showed all its power gained in the last 1000rpm operation, not exactly useful except for drag racing.


Stan2gnt
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95 Talon ES-I(and Turbo is here!)

What about Hotshot, I thought they were suppose to be the shit?
Maybe I was misinformed, oh well. XT_DSM, did you have any install problems with the hotshot and did you notice a significant increase in power?

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>>XT_DSM, did you have any install problems with the hotshot and did you notice a significant increase in power? <<

I did have a little problem with it tho, it was leaking where the collectores meet the down pipe. about gains, yes I felt it right away. the gains where in the mid range to red line.

Adel

if it gives the power at the last 1000 i would forget about it Oracle, that prolly means 6k-7k and you redline at 6.5k,and with the amount you lose on the bottom end you might break even

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LAST EDITED ON 28-Apr-01 AT 08:17 AM (PST)

like i said im not satisfied with anything but the power from the pacesetter. they made a huge difference to the shitty bottom end on my auto. i plan on getting a flex joint welded in and i have put on header wrap to keep them cool. but they still look like ass.
what im tryin to say here is dont get the ones that only add top end. get headers only if they will add low - mid power. top end is nice for drag racing but you dont rev to 6500 rpms every time you drive the car.

aem cai
pacesetter headers
gs-t exhaust
red altezzas
rims, tires, and a bunch of other little stuff....that list is way too short....more will come!

f@#k a greddy and an HKS!!!! pricey a$$ bastards!!!! i hate companies that take advantage of us racers!!! yeah i agree with js99rs, f@#k a top end like that. getting a jump in a race makes a difference. i don't like playing catch-up!

Chris
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you know...you really have a way with words

aem cai
pacesetter headers
gs-t exhaust
red altezzas
rims, tires, and a bunch of other little stuff....that list is way too short....more will come!

Yeah I'm going to go with a 4-2-1 design when I buy one. I haven't decided which brand probably Brospeed. I've also seem Aeromass which I think is made by Holley, and it's 4-2-1 ceramic coated in and out, for a good price. I also think Borla has a header for us. I don't know the details though.

"To strive to seek to find... and not to yield."
Michael J. Kulaga e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com
aol IM: MJKulga Website: http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

Injen CAI w/ K&N Breather filters, 55mm TB, FU/RU/RL STBs, Red silicone hose kit, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Bosch Rapidfire Plugs

And in my Room: Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, GS-T Muffler, Intake manifold 4 porting, Energy Suspension Motor Mount Inserts. RRE FL Tie Bar(Well Almost), TSW Blade 17x7.5 (need tires)

i've also grown to hate greedy and hk$, they spend too much money on yellow paint and models then make us pay for it


javi d
vroom n' boom

YEAH!!!!! DAMN THE MAN!!!

aem cai
pacesetter headers
gs-t exhaust
red altezzas
rims, tires, and a bunch of other little stuff....that list is way too short....more will come!