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117497, 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Quick run down of the race car.....some of you guys have alredy sen it on dsmtuners.

GT4067R
dual Tial 44mm gates
tial 40mm bov


Je Pistons 8.8:1 20 0ver
Eagle Rods
ARP studs
O-ringed
Crower 264 cams

Super Tech Valves, dual springs, Ti retainers,
5 angle valve job
race port and polish
90mm Accufab TB
venom IM

Electromotive Tec3r
1600cc injs
A1000 fuel pump
MSD fuel pump booster
Racepack cluster w/ data logging

New trannie
FX600 twin disc kevlar/kevlar from Clutchmaster
Quafie LSD

QA1 suspension
12 point roll cage
solid motor mounts
traction bars


Im hoping to try and break 700hp and go 9's
This is a no BS car. I should have dyno results soon and ill have track time around the 20 of augest
117498, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
im trying to post some pics but im having a hard time so here is a link to dsmtuners hopr you guys dont mind. look throw the pages there are all sorts of pics

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256740&page=11
117499, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by ez, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Welcome to the board. Hope your stay is a pleasant one :)

Your engine bay is unreal. That manifold is scary, your intercooler piping is wicked, your lack of turbo to intercooler piping made me smile - I cannot wait to hear your numbers

We just lost a legendary car in the 2gnt world - the car I see in those pics may be the successor we've been waiting for
117500, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by cs82685, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
welcome to the site, i've been following the thread on tuners and can't wait to see the outcome :cheers
117501, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DarkOne, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Bring it.

Had I the resources and the time I'd compete with you; alas, i don't. Since day one I've known I walk on the shoulders of giants to do what I do. Walk then, and do the best you can. The platform needs all the pushers and pioneers it can get.

I'm here if you have questions, though I have to admit... Doug will do it first ;-)
117502, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by bullettdsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
What the hell took you so long to get over here?!

Hehe, good to see you here, Zero (finally). I know the anxiety is raising. The project is getting closer to.........
117503, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by Corbin, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Holy Hell! Someone has really stepped up to the 2GNT plate here. For God's sake, please see this through. I would hate for the project to fall by the wayside before proving itself. We may all benefit from the things you learn at the projected power levels.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
Now with more power and fewer leaks



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
117504, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by eclipse982nrRST, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Thats badass. Keep going with that sucker. Its going to sound mean as fuck man.

I like that Valve Cover too.

Did you win the lottery?
117505, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Tank you everyone

Actually i have been on 2gnt for a long time just never posted. I used the site for info, and there is ALOT i learned for here.

I hope to run the car as soon as possible.
ill keep updating.

117506, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
As of right now i think my trannie is the weakest link.

any suggestions?

Im also running a full 4" alum exhaust w/burns ultralite muffler
117507, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by bullettdsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
As of right now i think my trannie is the weakest link. any suggestions? Im also running a full 4" alum exhaust w/burns ultralite muffler

I still say that remains to be seen. With the Quaife you definitely replaced the weakest link.

MB

117508, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by Hedge, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
That looks so amazing. keep us updated with pics please.
117509, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by C L U T C H, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
i will save money to travel to see it when you done :P allot of beers i mean cheers
117510, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by corsagsbo, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
As of right now i think my trannie is the weakest link. any suggestions? Im also running a full 4" alum exhaust w/burns ultralite muffler



Look into an individual on the neon boards by the name of "racer steve". He just built an automatic race tranny for a 9 second RT with great success for a friend of mine. Your only other option is probably Darryl Cox, but he was out 6 months on new projects back in June when I called at the time.


--------------------------------------
Santiago
boosted 420a...(2.2l v8 eater)
02 WRX
95 T/A 383ci
03 Harley XL 92ci w/ NOS

117511, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
Quick run down of the race car.....some of you guys have alredy sen it on dsmtuners. GT4067R dual Tial 44mm gates tial 40mm bov Je Pistons 8.8:1 20 0ver Eagle Rods ARP studs O-ringed Crower 264 cams Super Tech Valves, dual springs, Ti retainers, 5 angle valve job race port and polish 90mm Accufab TB venom IM Electromotive Tec3r 1600cc injs A1000 fuel pump MSD fuel pump booster Racepack cluster w/ data logging New trannie FX600 twin disc kevlar/kevlar from Clutchmaster Quafie LSD QA1 suspension 12 point roll cage solid motor mounts traction bars Im hoping to try and break 700hp and go 9's This is a no BS car. I should have dyno results soon and ill have track time around the 20 of augest


Thats so f'n clean the valvecover and engine I could myself in the valve cover lol.

Question, are you freinds with the Magnus crew or Scott at Fabulous graphix I see somewhat same setup going. Yours is prettier the 420a engine :)

So, are you setting your car up for SCCA or will it drag/street.

Hell why not go for 800hp I'm pretty sure we all could reach that number, maybe.

Love the body color white very clean
117512, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
once i push this set up too the limits
im going to upgrade the turbo to a GT42r and go with bigger cams and some custom valvetrain parts

This car is going to be a drag car only.
117513, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
here are some more pics i posted on tuners.....now in NO way am i trying to sway anyone to switch sites or anything like that ...

it is just eaiser for me this way

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151245122&posted=1#post151245122


hope you gus enjoy!!!!

right now the car is being wired up and will hit the dyno SOON!!!
117514, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
here are some more pics i posted on tuners.....now in NO way am i trying to sway anyone to switch sites or anything like that ... it is just eaiser for me this way http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151245122&posted=1#post151245122 hope you gus enjoy!!!! right now the car is being wired up and will hit the dyno SOON!!!


:thumbsup NICE....
117515, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by avengerowner23, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
OOOOOOO!!!!!

that is soo tight, i dont know how you did that, must of cost tons of cash?!
117516, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by nFiniteGS-T, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by avengerowner23
OOOOOOO!!!!! that is soo tight, i dont know how you did that, must of cost tons of cash?!


By the time its done, about the cost of a Stock Evo 8...
117517, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by mreigle, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Looks great so far. I can't wait to see the numbers after the build and tune.


117518, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by slowmitsu, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by nFiniteGS-T
Originally posted by avengerowner23 OOOOOOO!!!!! that is soo tight, i dont know how you did that, must of cost tons of cash?!
By the time its done, about the cost of a Stock Evo 8...


Cost is of no concern when you have the resources to push the envelope in an untested platform.
117519, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by shazow1969, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
OMFG that is disgusting. I am just amazed. Good luck on finishing this project. I can't wait to see the finished product.

-Kevin
117520, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM


HI everyone!!
welll im home safe and just living the life

update Im still waiting on axles and suspension. but the engine bay was repainted and interior painted also
Also
I have finished a turbo kit for all you 420a's out there...my goal is to try and make this kit as affordable as possible but offer the best of everything.
e-mail me if you have any Q's or PM me on DSMtuners
Loco4d4@yahoo.com

Edited: Link removed. This is not a for sale thread nor the opportunity for you to advertise items for sale.
117521, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by twack, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
nice
126213, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Dyno results in 661hp & 643tq at 30psi

NEW 420a RECORD

Next were taking the car to the track for some shake down and fine tunning
126214, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by 95eclipse420A, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Very Impressive. Has anything changed on your setup since your last post?
126232, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by barza21, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
If nobody minds asking, how much did all your set up go for?

good Job by the way!
126233, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
you need to post here more often zero... you BELONGGGG here. lol :)
126246, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
No everything is the same as my first post. My slicks come in on friday so i should hit the track next week..

Ill start posting more on 2gnt cause there are alot of hatters and BANME!s on the other web site lol

But everything should be all good

Oh my slicks are 26x10x13 MT on a 8pound Bogart 5 star pro
126247, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by Cyexmaster, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Hit us up with a video when you hit the track!
126248, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by dougie2, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Congrats man... glad to see your project getting close to race ready!

I would keep a real close eye on the rods, rod bolts and rod bearings. The Eagles are fine rods, but I'd say you're pushing their limits. It wouldn't be a bad idea to consider dropping in some 4340 I-beams or even some Aluminum rods. High revs and boost seem to really beat the hell out of the rod bearings. I've already been through a couple sets of Clevite rod bearings using only a GT30-series turbo at 30-40 PSI going up to 9k on my street car. Check them often, along with checking the bolts for stretch.

Regarding the trans... if you want to keep manually shifting, consider the NV-T850 trans with a PPG gear set (dog box). You can make it work.

Also, not sure what you've got on the front of the crankshaft... but if it's the stock pulley, ditch it. I've had great success with the ATI Super Damper. They don't make one specifically for our 420A engine, but the SRT-4 2.4L will work. It's the only way I've been able to keep an alt. belt on the race car when going over 9k RPMs. You will need a custom length alternator belt and a 4-rib PS belt, if you even run PS.

If you have any questions please ask. I've tried to push the 420A quite a bit, and it's a great engine... but I've given up on FWD and converted my 2GNT to a 4G63-powered AWD. I really hope to see you pull off what I've always wanted to do... break 700 HP and run 9s! You can do it!
126250, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by Tuxdreamerx, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
That car is amazing man. Alot of time was put into that thing. If I may ask why were you in jail?
126266, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Thanks for all the insite Doug!!!! Will do ill keep on eye on those things and im using a Unorthodox racing UDP.

Why did i go to jail lol That is a long long story about a whole bunch of stupidness. but nothing serious
126665, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
GOT MY SLICK IN EVERYONE!!!!! Track shake down and tunning comming soon
126666, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
i wanna see this car in person at the SO. if not, i at least wanna see more vids. love it.
126669, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by dalesmitsu, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
i wanna see this car in person at the SO. if not, i at least wanna see more vids. love it.


+2

Could you do a video of it "practice run" at your local track, before the SO.
126679, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
ill post all my vids good and bad i dont expect to be fast off the bat i want to take it nice and slow.

wrapping up the fab work on the front end so it dose not flex any more and im also gonna add an air seperator to the radiator to keep allt the air out of the system to prevet blowing a head gasket and overheating
126681, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by bullettdsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Anticipa-a-tion ;)

Almost there Zero.
126687, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I know i cant wait right now were planning on going to Bandimere on the 29th to start shaking the car down and tunning ..

I know i wont be the fastest right off the bat but its all part of the fun i just want to go out and learn a whole lot while having fun
127700, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Ok everyone the time is here im going to the track tommorrow!!! everything is preped and ready....I can not wait..ill keep everyone posted on how it turns out

if the car and me are both driving right we might turn up the boost too im getting ready for the import shoot out on the 20th of this month
127704, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
have videos taken
127706, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by bullettdsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Giddey up, sir!

GL
127711, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by Ebster1085, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Uh oh...do I smell a little freindly competition??
127716, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by bullettdsm, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Ebster1085
Uh oh...do I smell a little freindly competition??

Lol, nope, nothing but support :thumbsup

We've been talking over the last couple of years and one of us is going to knock down that 10.87 this year (if not both). I'm liking Zero's traction set-up much better than mine. He will definitely make it. Just not sure that it will happen today. BUT today's seat time will be critical to his set-up.

Of course, knowing me, I don't think that will stop me from breaking his balls a bit ;)

Good luck again, my friend.
127735, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by DSM-ZERO, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
thanks Mark

Hey everyone i have posted about my track time in Real Racing

basicly i ran a 12.844 @120mph missing 3rd

1.7 60foot no 2step
137447, RE: 420a Race Car!!!!!!
Posted by eclipse420ags, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
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