Alright, I still like the idea of a RWD eclipse, and mid engine would eliminate all of the driveshaft problems, and it would help with weight distribution. What would have to go into this? Obviously some fabricating for engine mount locations, custom exhaust, and many other things. What would ytou make the firewall out of? What exactly would need to be done for this to work?

I would love to see somewhat do this, but it would take major $$$
and fabrication.

My fantasy is using the twin turbo V6 from the VR-4.

You need to fabricate supports around the frame, because you would have to cut out a chunk for the body. Then you would have extend the wiring harness. Then you would have to figure out how cooling will work. Then about engine heat, you have to find out a way to eliminate that (as the engine will sit right behind you). And about the motor mounts. Remember this, that this IS the real world, and that the motor mounts, when cooling down, WILL move from the original location. About the firewall, I guess go to a junkyard, and look for a car with a small firewall, and that you could saw-zall or cut out and weld it inside the DSM.

~Tacoman

here are a few ideas to go on. for the fire wall i would used 1/8" steel plating and do 2 firewalls, so to say, about an inch apart and put dynamat or something similar that will withstand some heat between them. then where you need plumbing or wires to go thru just drill a hole thru to the size you need and use a steel pipe to keep it sealed.

as for cooling a bigger radiator in the front would be needed. you could run cooling lines (hard lines of course) from the radiator in the front to the engine in the rear. I would recommend an external water pump and possible leaving out the thermostat. its gonna get hot in there reguardless of the thermostat being in there or not. This is how its done on the Acura NSX and Pontiac Fiero. they have thermostats though cause they are designed to run that way.

The easiest way to get engine mounts in and close to where they need to be would be to get a front clip with everthing already mounted and retro fit it in the rear, suspension and all. that elimenates the need to mount the suspension. you could get creative and do 4 wheel steering if you wanted to (not easy), but just weld the suspension up so it doesnt turn (make sure its straight and aligned before you do it).

There are a lot of small details to work out in order to get everything working together. Ive been researching this idea for close to a year now. Ive looked at a few other cars that have been turned into midengine cars (Top Fuel's Honda Del Sol is mid engine) and this is how it was done on those. Ill take any critizism or ideas you have to throw in here. :thumbsup

Guys, this idea is crazier than swapping in a 4g63 and putting a GSX drivetrain in. More work, More money, More of a PITA....

If you're just dreaming, cool, I"m all for that. But don't be realistic about this.

FUCK A TWIN TURBO V6 ..... GET A NICE V12 ...... TURBO THAT AND TALK TO ME ... ITS FUNNY I HAD THE SAME IDEA ... U WOULD HAVE TO BLOCK OFF THE ENTIRE HATCH AND U WILL NEVER AGAIN NEED YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR

i think it would look good to have the firewall go all the way to the top of the car so you can see the engine thru the rear hatch glass. you could still put glass in the firewall to see thru but it would be easier to install a small screen and a rearview camera. Just think what the ppl at jiffy lube would think when you took it in for an oil change. lol

do like in a ferrar 360, where u can see the engine thru the rear hatch glass. and aaron, why can't we try to come up with new different ideas? so what if it's hard? i'll bet that your last post was similar to what people said about turbo'ing the 420A way back in the day. so don't post stuff that isn't on topic. this isn't the pits.

EDIT: in case you didn't know, the ferrari 360 has 2 sets of glass. ope behind the seats like in a del sol or mr-2, and the hatch glass like in our cars. don't know what kind of glass/plastic it is though.

Mahdavi motorsports put an NSX engine in the rear of a crx. Maybe you can contact them. www.mahdavimotorsports.com They are in Georgia. :thumbsup

>do like in a ferrar 360, where u can see the engine thru the
>rear hatch glass. and aaron, why can't we try to come up with
>new different ideas? so what if it's hard? i'll bet that your
>last post was similar to what people said about turbo'ing the
>420A way back in the day. so don't post stuff that isn't on
>topic. this isn't the pits.
>
>EDIT: in case you didn't know, the ferrari 360 has 2 sets of
>glass. ope behind the seats like in a del sol or mr-2, and the
>hatch glass like in our cars. don't know what kind of
>glass/plastic it is though.


I didn't say it couldn't be done...and if you look I said something to the effect of "If you're dreaming, then cool"....I'm sure it could be done. You can do anything with enough money. I just think this is really out of the scope of reality. Everyone here gets super pissed when they read a thread title "Can I put a GST engine in my car?"....that will be 1000 times easier than this project. That's my point.


Aside from that I think if you did this you would end up with a super heavy car. There's a lot of weight in the rear end of our cars with the hatch and glass and what not. You'd have to transfer the gas tank up front, route your radiator up there to the rear, and ad a crapload of weight to the front to get it back to 50-50 weight distribution.

You would also lose a lot of your handling capabilities. From the factory we have a good bit of body stiffening in the rear. Once you cut that out for the engine/tranny then you would have a rear suspension setup that flapped around like a humming bird. So I would see that the most time would be in the suspension, not in slapping in an engine.

>I didn't say it couldn't be done...and if you look I said
>something to the effect of "If you're dreaming, then
>cool"....I'm sure it could be done. You can do anything with
>enough money. I just think this is really out of the scope of
>reality. Everyone here gets super pissed when they read a
>thread title "Can I put a GST engine in my car?"....that will
>be 1000 times easier than this project. That's my point.
>
Everyone gets pissed because it's been asked 1000 times.. not that it's not feasable.

Doing things for the hell of it are the reason why we have the aftermarket that we have.. The guys way back in 95-96 who decided to bolt a turbo to a 420a.. just for the hell of it.. are the reason why the RS/GS has some shred of respect from the DSM community.

I've done several things.. just for the hell of it.. and although i probably shouldn't have, like the turbo on the stock manifold, it's good to know that it can be done.

I've got some other projects that i'm being pretty quiet about because of people like you.. and when you see them i'm pretty sure it's gonna shake up the platform once again.. both avengers/sebring and talon/eclipse.. I'm not going to tell you what it is because of those very comments above.. i've got better things to do than defend *WHY* i'm doing it, rather than actually doing it in the first place.

Now.. back to the topic at hand..

I've considered doing a mid engine.. however.. the best way to go would probably be twin engine automatic tranny cars.. much like the hyundai. The engine/tranny should fit in just fine.. and some chromoly tubing should be installed for re-inforcement of the frame.

other than that.. i doubt it would be too difficult.. the hardest part would be boxing the frame for another engine and wiring it up.

-- WheatKing

why not save money and buy a GSX and just convert that to RWD? That would be so much easier. I dunno...

u should talk to the guy who has the twin engine talon. i know he spent like $15 on the work

few things..

you wouldn't want 1/8" steel plate.. that'd be overkill.. haha..

18ga sheet metal should be plenty.

also.. don't put the front suspension on the rear.. that'd be wrong.. it won't work do to the design.

Use the GSX rear suspension and run your axles into those hubs..

-- WheatKing

i know someone whos done this to a 4g63 car.. its complicated... too long to post here and i could give u some deails on im.. but basicly... they welded in the front frame of a car into the rear so yeah.. hard work.. can be done

Ya know.. i think everyone has thought about putting there car as a RWD.. and god knows what else..

It's called a wet dream..! ! !.. ummm.. i love dreams

I personally wanted to take a GSX and remove the front drive shafts. Make it a RWD.. and give it some 325 rubber in the rear.

if you are going for rwd, it would be easier to just turn the engine and run a driveshaft. It would be alot less fabrication to the car (cut the firewall and make a room for a rwd tranny and mounts, than cut a huge hole in the back of your car and start from stratch). We already have a factory supplied rwd differential and suspension along with the driveshaft tunnel already in the unibody. Plus you wouldn't have to bother with trying to get air into the hatch area of your car for ventalation or running cooling lines everywhere, not to mention having to redesigning the suspension do the huge shift of weight in the car.

Pipe dream for me unless I become a millionaire, but that's never stopped me from planning ideas, especially while at work. Look closely at cars that are factory set up like this for ideas.

I would look at a junked car, rear trashed engine bay fine. Duplicate the set up. cut out the K member, weld it in backwards.
Rework you suspension (probably one of the hardest parts).
Look into moving a gas tank, or using a fuel cell in the front of the car to even out the balance a little. I don't think a front gas tank is legal, but a fuel cell probably is...
Leave the radiator up front, run long coolant lines (protected of course) with supplemental pumps to flow the coolant. And I would modify the stock pump to make it a higher flowing unit, which would be pretty easy.
Routing of exhaust could be interesting.
I would definately remove the back seat build a firewall, install glass/plexiglass above it.
A lot of stiffening up the rear end would be needed.
A very good welder and some car builders would be a good start.

I'd love to do it, just to do it... but I don't have nor will I have the money or the skills to undertake such a task, oh yeah time too.



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Smooth idle? We don't need no stinking smooth idle.

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I would go with the 50/50 weight distibution thingy.. lol.. Maybe a Z06 rear end w/a 6 speed in the back..

I thought someone mentioned that the GSx rear diff is not meant to take the full power of the car?:wary

Hell I just saw a twin engine 1st gen at the shootout... go for it.



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You know, if you actually made a MR DSM, maybe you could get one of those TFATF roof scoops and actually NEED it! :P

I think it's definitely possible to do. If you had a chance to pick up a 2G for dirt cheap at a salvage yard or something, you could hypothetically make an attempt at this...

im not sure this is a good idea. You going to have LOTS of problems with shift linkage and gas tank placement. Have to go to a fuel cell for sure.

I just saw that at SEMA Ford brought a 5L V-8 powered focus making 400 some hp to the rear wheels, so yeah anything is possible with time and money. The engine kit alone was 15 grand drop in and the rest wasn't specified. I think a nice V-6 from the 350z might be shovable into our engine bay, its pretty compact, then just run their tranny back and just make a new drive shaft, blah blah it would be nice.
Back on topic, you could possibly fit it longitudinally IF you could find a tranny that exited the driveshafts at the right area so youd need to find a longitudinal MR tranny(mostly in expensive cars so prolly not cheap). Then youd have an easier time with weight dist, making the chassis stronger, etc. You could just make an extra strong roll cage all around the back which would prolly stiffen her up, just 360 all the fuel lines, run the coolant lines up the transmission tunnel, get an aftermarket vent hood and direct pipe the radiator heat out, mount a racing fuel cell in front as far back and low as possible, make a trunk compartment(if needed) and all the other stuff said and you'd be set. Then punch a hole in the current firewall to give tall people some room in this damn car, then you'd be set ;)
Brent

My friend has a 1987 Pontiac Fiero, which is mid-engine, rear-wheel drive. That sucker is a monster. It came with the chevy 2.8 V6 but he bored and stroked it to a 3.4l! He took that to the track with some slicks on there and ran 10.3 in the 1/4 mile.:bowdown That thing is freaky. If you don't launch it correctly, the car will do a wheely almost eveytime he races it. He bought the car for $3k and only invested about $1,500 into it. SO if those m/r cars are that powerful, I, if I had the money, would like to do it someday to our cars. But only with a 2.6 turbo engine in it!

Originally posted by bigbrent88
I just saw that at SEMA Ford brought a 5L V-8 powered focus making 400 some hp to the rear wheels, so yeah anything is possible with time and money. The engine kit alone was 15 grand drop in and the rest wasn't specified. I think a nice V-6 from the 350z might be shovable into our engine bay, its pretty compact, then just run their tranny back and just make a new drive shaft, blah blah it would be nice. Back on topic, you could possibly fit it longitudinally IF you could find a tranny that exited the driveshafts at the right area so youd need to find a longitudinal MR tranny(mostly in expensive cars so prolly not cheap). Then youd have an easier time with weight dist, making the chassis stronger, etc. You could just make an extra strong roll cage all around the back which would prolly stiffen her up, just 360 all the fuel lines, run the coolant lines up the transmission tunnel, get an aftermarket vent hood and direct pipe the radiator heat out, mount a racing fuel cell in front as far back and low as possible, make a trunk compartment(if needed) and all the other stuff said and you'd be set. Then punch a hole in the current firewall to give tall people some room in this damn car, then you'd be set ;) Brent

Heck yah!! that focus made me do a double take.....i even got a poster for the shop because i think it actualy was one of the coolest focus ever...kinda disapointing to see the only 2g there was the the awesome ACT sponsored drag RWD gsx (yes the historical first 7 second eclipse)

Back to subject...if i would ever do something like that...i would just go with a 300gt v6 twin turbo.....

:thumbsup

Why go through the trouble ... buy a starion ... its sexy .... rwd and a 2.6L turbo

OMG I DID IT! I HAVE THE FIRST MID-ENGINE RWD ECLIPSE!!!

o nevermind thats what i screamed out during sex last nite

THis isn't a good idea. With the money you would spent on doing this you could easily buy like a vette or something. Let's come back to reality you could easily make it rwd but it would just be stupid to make a mid engine eclipse. There wouldn't be any air coming to the engine. Plus you would have more like a 10/90 weight distribution. You couldn't even drive that thing cause everytime you laung the car would do a backflip. If someone seriously was going to do this why would they choose a 420A motor. Everything would have to be custom anyways it would be a lot easier using the 3000gt V6tt engine. It's all cool to dream bout this stuff but it's way to expensive to make it a relity. The main reason they make mid engine cars is to achive 50/50 weight distrubition. The rwd would be tight but other then that its just plain dumb.

-cut the body off at the floor
-completly new fabricated front end(W/GASTANK AS STATED BEFORE)
-complete tube chassis
-all around custom suspension to make up the differences in weight
-custom/hacked and lengthened harness
-polycarbonate custom moulded rear glass replacement
-drag?...custom headers straight out the rear!...or...
-Ferrari 360 modena stlye exhaust..."tubi style exhaust"
-side and underneath air vents like Ferarri
-custom firewall..no need for a window if its for drag racing
just make an eclipse from scratch...thats all...:rolleyes

the 3kgt VR4 motor has more electronics to it then my computer. that'd be a swap^10. i'd prolly look at something a little simpler like an SR20DET or an RB skyline motor. still exotic but not a huge ass pain(just minor ones). it'd prolly be cheaper this way too considering what VR4 parts go for.

i agree with the over-complication of MR eclipse. better off chopping the existing firewall up to whatever you need to fit in something else. if you have the cash go this way reguardless of motor.

could you imagine an RB25DETT set in a RWD 2g. :bowdown

I say try it I would. BUT I would not try something too over the top. I would try to keep it simple. I would go w/ a 2.2L SOHC chrysler T-2 motor like mine. It's an obd-0 wireing harness so alot less crap is involved. You can build the motors pritty cheap and the T-2 rods are good to like 360hp at the crank. You can find alot of info at allpar.com and alot of parts @ FWDperformance.com good luck to anyone going the distance on this one:thumbsup

in the sport compact car this month, they had the cars that are going to be in the ultimate street car challenge. there was an ultima GTR with a BMW V-12 in it. The engine is "only" 26 inches long, so I'll just squeeze that in my engine bay instead. Haha, could you imagine a V12 RWD eclipse?

It can be done...what about the 1gs with 2 4g63s in them...i know atleast 2 exist...and also visit LOVEFAB.com...he has a H22 in a del sol...turbo...mid engined RWD...everything is possible...and if you have enough fab skills it wouldnt be THAT expensive

1996 GSX Built-1992GST Stripped-1988 CRX gutted -1999 EBP Civic Si- 2001 ITR engine. USETOHAVEBEENs-- 1997 RS-T :(

The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it.

I don't really like the idea of a Mid engine RWD, but RWD would be a big advantage.

How about a rear end from a Starion and GSX rear suspension/gas tank for starters. Custom motor mounts and stretch some of the wiring harness to accomodate the 90 degree movement in the bay. The engine will fit, I measured it once but I forget the specs I came up with.

I believe the low end base model Jeeps have a RWD 5 speed manual bolted to a 2.4. Being a chrylser components I don't know how hard it would be to make the tranny work on a 420a. Custom fab work could be done to accomodate a six speed from what ever donor car: ex supra :shrug.

I'm sure to some extent the fire wall and beginning of the drive shaft tunnel would have to be cut out to accomadate the RWD tranny.

As for a drive shaft call the shop in Memphis that makes custom driveshafts, and give them the specs to build it too, I forget the name of the place though.

Seeing how my 2.5 project is taking all of my fun money I had, and I'll be attending Wyotech soon, either this October or January, I can't expand on my ideas and make it work. I WAS going to make this work until I fried my 2.0 and decided to build this 2.5. The only reason I am building this high HP engine is because I WILL have it in a RWD setup. Maybe at Wyotech in my Street Rod & Custom Fabrication/ Chassis Fabrication this will be my project. Thanks for reading my long ass post and Have a Nice Day

~ BBT




dsmmyth: im not your typical dumb american
BlackBomexTalon: but u are asian

This thread should not have been brought back up.

Originally posted by CODE4
This thread should not have been brought back up.

Ahh now I see I help bring this bitch back from the dead, although I think I have valid points.




dsmmyth: im not your typical dumb american
BlackBomexTalon: but u are asian

i say we send the idea to Monster Garage :P let them figure it out.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks
i say we send the idea to Monster Garage :P let them figure it out.

As long as it isn't a zambonie/lawnmower/garbage~Dsm also. lol





dsmmyth: im not your typical dumb american
BlackBomexTalon: but u are asian

you could do it if you worked at a good shop and could use your time at work to work on the project. a shop from down here in GA had a CRX with a full nsx swap at nopi a few years back.

easiest way to do it: relocate the steering, gas and brakes, turn your seat around, and pop it in reverse. BAM! 1 speed MR eclipse

HAHAHA that's funny as hell!^^

Originally posted by 97eclipse97
easiest way to do it: relocate the steering, gas and brakes, turn your seat around, and pop it in reverse. BAM! 1 speed MR eclipse

HAHAHA that's funny as hell!!!

Double-posting newbie...

Since this thread has been brought up like FOUR times already, I'll just post this and shut up:

http://www.extremepsi.org/gallery/Dual-Engine-Shadow?page=1


Brian

I don't see why everyone thinks this is so hard. Just make a complete tube chassis complete with suspension, put any engine/transmission combo in it from a front wheel drive (you know a Toranado came with a FWD 455!) and cut the shell off an Eclipse and drop it on. It's not really a MR Eclipse, but it gets the job done.

Originally posted by Keith2172
I don't see why everyone thinks this is so hard. Just make a complete tube chassis complete with suspension, put any engine/transmission combo in it from a front wheel drive (you know a Toranado came with a FWD 455!) and cut the shell off an Eclipse and drop it on. It's not really a MR Eclipse, but it gets the job done.

Nothing is ever this easy. So let me get this straight, all I have to do is make a complete tube chassis w/suspension, apparently just dropping in any old FWD engine I want, simply cutting the entire shell off of an Eclipse and then just dropping it on, hoping it just fits all nice and snug and I'm done? Boy that does sound easy! Oh wait, then there is still wiring, cooling, keeping heat out of the cabin, fuel, etc etc. Not to mention the fact that most MR cars have a near 50/50 weight distribution, and this certainly wouldn't. Oh ya, and all of this simple modification stuff will end up costing more than if you were to buy three MR2's...

Sorry, I just don't see the 'simplicity' in this.

And apparently sarcasm is a foreign thing to you. All I'm saying is, just make it like a kit car. I understand that there is a shitload involved in equaling corner weights, and designing suspension for proper bump-stop, camber/caster, anti-dive/anti-squat characteristics, etc. I read that article in SCC too! Anyone considering this project either knows that there is a shit-load involved or is a moron and doesn't belong around a garage, and if I decided to go after it, that's the way I'd do it.

Originally posted by Keith2172
And apparently sarcasm is a foreign thing to you.

Sorry...in case you didn't notice, emotions are very hard to distinguish on the internet. That's what emoticons are for. For sarcasm, the good ol'e eye roller works great ( :rolleyes )

Without knowing people, it is very hard to tell who is being sarcastic and who is being serious.

Search on Honda-tech for this guy who is building a mid-engine RWD Integra w/ a Prelude engine. Guy goes VERY in depth about measurements and everything. I believe he was some sort of engineer and has a lot of pics w/ his progress. My honda friend showed me this about a year ago so I have no idea what is new w/ the car but I don't have the link.

Originally posted by Dualgen2
Search on Honda-tech for this guy who is building a mid-engine RWD Integra w/ a Prelude engine. Guy goes VERY in depth about measurements and everything. I believe he was some sort of engineer and has a lot of pics w/ his progress. My honda friend showed me this about a year ago so I have no idea what is new w/ the car but I don't have the link.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981613

i say take a starion..rob the motor, trans, and rear diff and fab it all into the car.

and btw...what constitutes "mid engined" versus "rear engined"?

just me but it sound like this is more of a "rear engine" rwd idea with throwing it in the trunk. most mid engined cars iv seen have the firewally like RIGHT behind the driver to help with balance and everything.

Now I may be mistaken on this, but I believe the difference between mid-engine and rear-engine is that a mid-engine car has the engine mounted between the axles, and a rear-engine has it mounted behind the rear axle (think VW Bug). I could very well be wrong on this though.

just an interesting thread i found that might give everyone an idead or step by step on how to accomplish it. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/981613

Originally posted by taclipse
just an interesting thread i found that might give everyone an idead or step by step on how to accomplish it. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/981613

Did you find that, say... three posts up? :P HA!

Originally posted by CopperEclipse96
Alright, I still like the idea of a RWD eclipse, and mid engine would eliminate all of the driveshaft problems, and it would help with weight distribution. What would have to go into this? Obviously some fabricating for engine mount locations, custom exhaust, and many other things. What would ytou make the firewall out of? What exactly would need to be done for this to work?

LOL, Sweet I'm alone with this idea custom job. I too,thought about this. When, I seen Brent race his RWD Eclipse..

But,I was thinking more about an NISSAN motor powering a DSM.
Ex. DSM Shell with a AWD NISSAN engine/tranny etc.etc. or a RWD conversion.

Some day, somebody will do this or the RWD street and track drive.

People will think its a normal Sleeper with Frontmount Intercooler, but its not.


Its both SIK and INSANE, talk about a " SILENT & DEADLY " sleeper

Nice Nismo Truck,

One of the problems with older threads is that things happen after the thread ends. There are at least 2 of these that I know of. One was junked because he couldn't make it happen properly and the other was a DUAL engine set-up that ran the track and dyno. Had a problem with cooling but I think I know how to fix it ;) .

Yeah, this is one of my future projects as well. I have a bit of a different idea of how to do it than clipping the nose and re-welding it. I actually had the donor cars a couple of months ago, but I got so busy with the NA's that I had to dump the project for the moment to get room for others.

Back burner but not gone.

MB

Originally posted by bullettdsm
Back burner but not gone. MB

Damn Mark, you're into a bit of everything. When are we gonna see an ITB setup from you? LOL

ill have the first, 425A powered

Originally posted by cs82685

Originally posted by bullettdsm Back burner but not gone. MB

Damn Mark, you're into a bit of everything. When are we gonna see an ITB setup from you? LOL

LOL, I dunno Corey. BUT I do have a design plan for those also. If I felt that they would give me a much bigger boost than what I am doing now, I would work on those first ;)

eh, dsm's are a little heavy to have all the fun of a mid engine car. I'll stick with the 914.

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
eh, dsm's are a little heavy to have all the fun of a mid engine car. I'll stick with the 914.

It's all in the challenge, my boy, the challenge.

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G eh, dsm's are a little heavy to have all the fun of a mid engine car. I'll stick with the 914.

It's all in the challenge, my boy, the challenge.

damn, you got me there. I did start thinking about how to do this after reading through the thread, got the ol gears turnin upstairs.

this would seriously be good for someone to do.

i wish i could do that

Originally posted by CopperEclipse96
Alright, I still like the idea of a RWD eclipse, and mid engine would eliminate all of the driveshaft problems, and it would help with weight distribution. What would have to go into this? Obviously some fabricating for engine mount locations, custom exhaust, and many other things. What would ytou make the firewall out of? What exactly would need to be done for this to work?

Huh, driveshaft problems? Could you explain abit about the problems.

I debated with my younger about one hour having a RWD DSM, I mentioned to him about Magnus RWD Talon and Brent's RWD ECLIPSE which are Two of the fasest RWD's in drag racing

He said they would have to custom Built a whole New Tranny and DriveShaft too. I told him your correct about the custom tranny for a RWD DSM. Or that person would have change the Steering knuckle, similar to the EVO RMR Rhys Millen built for Tokyo Drift. We also talked about the DSM in general, and told many times to check out this Forum and ask you guys questions about them. He's getting ASE from local Tech school, this is first year. Plus he thinks with simple bolt the car could have alot of Hp. Anyway, He pretty much gave me a headache, he insits on being right always thinks he's know alot ego complex because he's getting his ASE

Originally posted by dalesmitsu
He said they would have to custom Built a whole New Tranny and DriveShaft too.

Lol, tell him he's wrong. I am postive that my way would work with alterations to the driveshafts (custom? Eh, I guess. Whole new? Nope)

It has also already been done as a "clip" for a dual engine DSM. It ran 12's, but it was different :order

Ah crap, now you're getting me thinking about this again. I got enough work with the NA, lol.

here's a few links from the turbododge forum about trany's that work with our motor and a few other things. I've been lurkin around on there for a couple of years and am converting my 90' shadow to a rwd with a fourlink suspension and the 2.5L common block adapted to a 727torqueflight. ppl have been playin around with this for a couple of years on here and and theres a few neons on there to that have been or are bein converted. These guys pretty much have all the interchangable chrysler parts figured out and it's all pretty much a bolt together ordeal. Most of the mid engine RWD cars on here That have been really sucessful just link the tranny and diff yokes together with the motor mounted longitudally in the frame. I think there should be more than enough room for this. Throw a fuel cell up under the hood, firewall the back and build a roll cage. radiator could sit behind the motor of the entire rear of the car was basically tubbed out. And then you just need to situate an axle of your choice back there. It would be real easy to weld in a couple of frame rails and drop in a solid axle if ya wanted to drag race. If ya want handling go with a GSX or TSI rear suspension. Either way, it's gonna be alot of work. My RWD shadow has been on going for 3 years and I just got the subframe finished and workin on mounting the motor up front. If some one really wants to try this I suggest They better start taking donations for a beer fund, your gonna need plenty of it... :cheers

RWD neon

http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f68/119410-trans-2-0-rwd-conversion-dodge.html

tranny options(long read)
http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f68/22438-rwd-tranny-your-2-2-2-a.html

Rear axle swapped in
http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f68/130944-few-pics-my-rwd-conversion-parts.html

I give These guys alot of credit, They find a new combination of parts every time I look. Best part is, most of it will work with our motor and could be fit into our platform.