now you said 8 degrees advance intake....does that only mean 4 marks on the cam gears?....thats what im confused at.....i have mine at +2,-2....(2 little marks) does that mean im actually at +4,-4....im lost now....and how could they sell these cams for our cars and them not even be correct.... this is kind of bullshit to me....my car runs correctly and i never remarked them....