lets just say this, my nearly stock 96 rs will woop the shit out of any stock 2gnt. and i really dont think its because of the good suspension, the cat back, a cone filter on my stock intake tubing, and my heavy 16" stock wheels. i think it becomes impressive with the addition of porting the hell out of the throttle body and upper intake manifold. after 4k, i scream. walked a toyota celica gts several times on the fwy last saturday night, i think he had a fart can and altezza's woohoo. my silencer was in too so it was really restricted in the high end (but comfy on the fwy). porting does something.