I've got <500 mi on new PT Cruiser clutch and OEM NV-T350 throwout bearing. I noticed last night that when the car is in neutral and I let out the clutch, I can hear that damn thing rattling around in there. Is this something to be concerned about? The clutch feels great. Everything hooks up right where it should and she runs just fine. In removing/installing the TOB, it seemed pretty striaght forward. Just slides on the way the old one came off, right? WE put some grease on the shaft and all that.

Is this just another noise I'll have to get used to like the rattle/vibe from the solid mounts? TIA!

bump?

Thats the trans making the noise. Now, if the noise is there when you step on the clutch pedal, then thats the TO bearing. My trans makes the same noise. I've replaced the input shaft bearing on the trans, and the noise is still there..its just the turning of all the gears in the trans when you are in N with the clutch out..i've heard its completly normal..

Yeah. That's it. Strictly when I'm in neutral with the clutch out... oh well. The rattles scare away the children and the 4G63 guys. hehe. :P

Thanks for all your help during rebuild btw!

Mine does that too, the thing is it didn't do it w/ my old transmission :/, or I just never noticed it?, or it just does that w/ a Fidanza flywheel & CM clutch?

Inconsistant/abnormal noises in my car make me unhappy :-(

^^^ That's the reason why I posted the question! :P It never *used* to make that noise! Maybe I should've put more grease on the shaft... WHO KNOWS! :P

In any case, as long as there is no danger involved, I am satisfied. If I wanted a quiet car, I wouldn't have installed those motor mounts! haha.

Yeah i actually stoped by a trans shop today, the one that pressed in my new input shaft bearing, and asked the guy about the noise. He also says it the internal parts of the trans..most likely there is wear somewhere that is making the gears make the noise..its not really bad or anything, but it will prob get worse over time, as the trans gets more miles on it..Its really nothing to be overly concerned with, its just the trans getting worn. Could also be your input shaft bearings or other internal trans bearings getting worn..Funny thing is, just like you guys have said, it only came about when i had replaced the stock clutch, with my new custom built clutch..wierd..

I have never noticed that on my 2gnt, but i have noticed that on my friends s10 and also on my brand new 350z. it just sounds like something is rattleing around when your in neutral.. I just ignore it on the Z cause its under warranty for 6 years! }(

I have that funny noise too. It bothers me but oh well. I always fixed things to get rid of funny noises ... not add new ones.

Hey guys, I am suffering the same "rocks in a can" noise when my car is in neutral. I HATE IT!!!!!! DIE TRANNY DIE!!!! I think that the problem is that it is NOT the input shaft bearing, but rather the OUTPUT shaft bearing that is making the noise. Thats the one on my tranny that has bearings almost falling out of the plastic cage. Shoulda replaced that M-F'er when I took the tranny to put in the PG. When think about it seems to make sense that when you provide input thorught the clutch pedal there is no noise, but when the output shaft is doing the work there is.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

Yeah, whenever the input shaft is turning, the output shaft truns also, but, when i replaced my input bearing, i also replaced the output bearing, and it still makes the noise. Now, at the other end of the trans, there is a sort of oval shaped black cover held on by some bolts. Behind this cover, are the 2 other bearings for the input shaft and output shaft. They are nice, durable bearings, but i suppose they can wear also. They kind of are just like the bearing that is used in the power steering/A/C belt tensioner pulley, if you ever looked at that before. Only thing that sucks about these bearings, is that you have to dismantle the entire trans to get them out, and as far as I know, that requires special tools to do..

Did it quite the noise at all when you changed those bearings?

I just wanna make sure before I tear the tranny out. I probably will anyways, but did it help at all?

I also have the "rocks in a can" rattle sound in my car too but it only happenes during morning startups and when I press in the clutch in the sound goes away, depress it and the sounds comes back. But once I let the car warm up and I pull out of my driveway, the sound goes away after driving a block or two and doesn't come back for the rest of the day.

I tried to have it looked at by a mechanic one day after work, but the dam car wasn't making the sound in order for him to wittness the rattle, I told the mechanic that it only happened in the mornings so he wanted me to leave it overnight at his shop but I never got around to it since I need my daily driver.

>Did it quite the noise at all when you changed those
>bearings?
>
>I just wanna make sure before I tear the tranny out. I
>probably will anyways, but did it help at all?
>

Nope, noise is still there :(

Well crap!!!! I am at wits end with that F-ing noise, so I think that I am gonna try to fix it. Sucks to have a decent looking car and have it sound like ass. Pretty much does it all the time now so I have no other choice. If I have to replace all the bearings I will!!!

I think NV-T350 means ( Noise is Very Traumatic-350 )

That would make sense to me, but I've never gone that deep into the tranny to know for sure. Maybe I'll have to get me a PG or NS so I have an excuse to rebuild the tranny. }(

Oh mighty gods of 2gnt please bring me a sign..j/k

Anyways, I have my tranny split in the garage as we speak to install PG. My tranny also made that same noise after I installed the CM stage 4 and OE throwout. My original clutch made no such noise. The old clutch and throwout were still good when I pulled them. Im throwing in another new TO anyways just to be sure.

3 questions

How the hell do I get the main input shaft bearing/seal out of the case??

How the hell do I get the pin out of the diff to install the PG?

Should a new throw out move around on a new input shaft bearing/seal(like kinda wobble when you touch it?)

Any input greatly appreciated

2gnt forever...or until the damn thing breaks again :)

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>How the hell do I get the main input shaft bearing/seal out of
>the case??

This bearing needs to be pressed in/out by a shop press. You can do it using a big socket and a hammer, but you have to be very careful as not to damamge the new bearing. I just took my bellhousing to a trans shop, and they pressed in my new input bearing for me for 20 bucks. You also need to use some sealant on the bearing too.
>
>How the hell do I get the pin out of the diff to install the
>PG?

I believe you just pound it out using a hammer and a tool to hammer on the pin with.
>
>Should a new throw out move around on a new input shaft
>bearing/seal(like kinda wobble when you touch it?)

Yeah, the TOB will not be a snug fit over the input shaft bearing sleeve. There is some play in it. Be sure to use a very slight amount f greese on that sleve where the TOB rides on. Just a little bit is plenty.
>
>Any input greatly appreciated
>
>2gnt forever...or until the damn thing breaks again :)

Thanks

We'll have to see if I make any progress on the mystery here, as it has been bugging the hell out of me as well since I bought the car. Also my transmission case main seal is leaking, and my front axel seals are leaking as well.
The car goes under the knife at my local Mitsu dealer in about two hours(still have the drivetrain warranty :thumbsup ). Should be a good coversation for me to get into with the mechanic before I leave the shop, but I might just be getting a whole new tranny on this one depending if the leak has caused enough damage(I kinda hope so).
If not, the sad part is, I won't know whether or not the sound is still there until we get a cold morning here.....damn.

Followup.....
No progress. It was only my front axle seals leaking, the fluid was just running down making it look like there was a main seal leak. I didn't even get the chance to ask them if they had looked inside the tranny itself for any damaged parts, but I would think that they did while replacing the axle seals.......uh....I hope.
F*ck....now I have to call them again tomorrow.x(

Ok, I have the 2g Spyder N/T. And mine just started making that noise about a week ago. When I push in the clutch, it goes away. But this is the thing....Now it slips out of 4th gear after about 30 seconds. It does it every time. And it also grinds a lot when I shift into 3rd. Is this just a bearing, synchro, or is the tranny just screwed???? I have no clue when it comes to trannies.

dont worry peeps. i got the same noise when i replaced my TO bearing. i guess, if its new, it takes a while fot it to break in.
it went away nearly 2 months later.
havent heard it ever since.

Well i believe i have located that noise. With the car in N, and running, clutch out, i pulled back the rubber dust boot on the clutch fork, which holds the TOB, and i can see the TOB just wobbling and making that noise. The only thing i can think of that would cause this is if the pressure plate fingers are not completly flush. From what i have been told, this is normal to some extent. But yeah, i can see the throw out bearing moving back and forth a bit, and the sounds corresponds with what i am seeing. Maybe its not the trans or trans bearings afterall??

Great find!! I may have to take a look at that! I absolutely HATE this F-ing noise!!!!!!!!

LOL... am i the only one on this forum who DOESN'T have this noise? something tells me that i will after i install my slip-in LSD and non-modluar clutch. for the record, i will be replacing the TOB.

i've had that sound, it only happens once in a while though.... now, i've had ANOTHER sound (which i got fixed) and if someone would be kind enough to host it, you will be glad that you only hear ratteling!

can someone host my sound file? shouldn't be too big (416k) .mp3

and it was done with a hand held tape recorder inside the car with the windows up and doors closed

email me or get me on AIM for it.... SOMEONE HOST THIS FILE PLEASE!!!

>i've had that sound, it only happens once in a while
>though.... now, i've had ANOTHER sound (which i got fixed) and
>if someone would be kind enough to host it, you will be glad
>that you only hear ratteling!
>
>can someone host my sound file? shouldn't be too big (416k)
>.mp3
>
>and it was done with a hand held tape recorder inside the car
>with the windows up and doors closed
>
>email me or get me on AIM for it.... SOMEONE HOST THIS FILE
>PLEASE!!!

what kind of noise was it? I'm getting a very nasty squeeling noise at engagement point...

mine started making the noise right sfter i changed the clutch also, i still have yet to fix it but... 5th gear wave spring????? dont ask what it is, just know thats its a very cheap part. its also a sensitive part and if the tranny fluid is drained long enough(a.k.a. you changing your clutch over a period of days) it likes to complain to you. usually it goes away after a little while.

It sounds like a scratcy rattle, mine has been doing this for the last 50k hard miles with no problems just some noise. It did'nt get any worse or better yet. I will worry about it when I do the next clutch swap. You just need to get used to holding the clutch pedal in when peeps are around the car. ;-)

>You just need to get used to
>holding the clutch pedal in when peeps are around the car. ;-)
>


^^^^^what a major P.I.T.A!!!
Tonight is the frist night that we've gone below freezing, and I'm getting up early in the morning to try and install my UDP. Time to see if the noise is back. Maybe the fact that there's actually the right amount of fluid in my tranny now will have fixed it for me.

Mine also makes noise. It sounds like something is rattleing around in there. I also have a rough idle and when it changes like it has cams the tranny knocks in rythm with the engine. people say my car sounds nasty in a good sorta evil way }( . It used to do this before I got the stage 4 clutch but it got worse when the stage 4 clutch went in. I think my tranny has issues though. It wines a bit and it doesnt like to shift sometimes at 6500-7000 rpms.

The wining and not wanting to shift is the syncros going bad. I got a remanufactured tranny that did this and so I had to send it back.

I am really thinking that its NOT the TOB. I installed a brand new stock one when I put in my new CM stage 4. I am pretty sure that it is the bearing inside the tranny that sits on the output shaft and held in by a race on the internal part of the bellhousing.

Haha. Just look in the thread by 1sweet98talon a few threads below this one. Look at the pic. The part labeled by number 5, the bearing on the output shaft that has the thin black plastic cage...

...thats what I believe to be the problem. My car had the rattle for a while. Then when I took the trans apart to put in my PG LSD I noticed that one or two of the bearings fell outta the plastic cage. I am sure they are not supposed to do that. I think that is what is loose and rattling. As I said in my post above I did replace the TOB when I installed the new clutch and still have the noise.

When I get the time and energy I am gonna replace it.

Not to mention the two needle bearings that are now kicking around the case... <shudder>
-=B-=

Originally posted by The1Bill
Not to mention the two needle bearings that are now kicking around the case... <shudder> -=B-=

No silly. I put the bearings back in the cage and made sure that they were where they shoulda been. I just think that if they are loose enough to fall out with a little pressure ( while outta the tranny ) then they are loose enough to rattle around where they should be IN the tranny.

Anyways thats what I think is making the noise from the pits of HELL!!!

Oops. It was actually labeled #6 in that pic.

Well, I replaced that output bearing, and I still have the rattle. I could visually see the TOB wobbling back and forth, and that corresponded with the rattle. Yes, the TOB has tabs on it, BUT it can still move around, as its not a tight fit when its on the release fork. I am begining to think this may be a normal symtom of having a "puck" style clutch disk, and how it can make the "fingers" on the pressure plate slightly uneven. The uneven fingers, as they are rotating, will be touching the TOB and cause it to wobble. Make sense?

Jon, if you can, do what i did. Jack up the front end, with the wheels off the ground, pull back that rubber dust boot, and get a good light to see the TOB. Start the the car(e-brake on, back wheels chocked for safety), and keep it in N. I'll bet you money you will see your TOB wobbling back and forth a bit...whoever has this rattle, can try this. Just be safe about it!

Originally posted by XtremeRS
Well, I replaced that output bearing, and I still have the rattle. I could visually see the TOB wobbling back and forth, and that corresponded with the rattle. Yes, the TOB has tabs on it, BUT it can still move around, as its not a tight fit when its on the release fork. I am begining to think this may be a normal symtom of having a "puck" style clutch disk, and how it can make the "fingers" on the pressure plate slightly uneven. The uneven fingers, as they are rotating, will be touching the TOB and cause it to wobble. Make sense? Jon, if you can, do what i did. Jack up the front end, with the wheels off the ground, pull back that rubber dust boot, and get a good light to see the TOB. Start the the car(e-brake on, back wheels chocked for safety), and keep it in N. I'll bet you money you will see your TOB wobbling back and forth a bit...whoever has this rattle, can try this. Just be safe about it!

The fingers on the clutchmaster's stage I pressure plate I just took where slightly uneven. (hinting the tob was causing the rattle against the pressure plate) :shrug

Yes, that's right, I'm bringing this old post back from the dead... Has anyone found a solution to this? I've dropped my tranny now 3 FREAKIN times trying to fix this damn noise.

The first time the bearing had actually popped off the back of the clutch fork and was wobbling around REALLY bad... I had a stock clutch, so I took it out and replaced the bearing... same noise...

I dropped the tranny AGAIN and added in a CM 4 clutch and completely new bearing again... it's still there and even worse.

I've tried lengthening the rod to apply more pressure on the bearing so it wouldn't rattle, no luck... I tried adjusting the clutch pedal, nothin'... NOTHING seems to make this damn noise going away and it's driving me INSANE!

Anyone know a solution? I seached through old posts and this one seemed to have the most info and described my situation to the T... so I chose to revive this one.

HELP!!!

Originally posted by 97xtc
It sounds like a scratcy rattle, mine has been doing this for the last 50k hard miles with no problems just some noise. It did'nt get any worse or better yet. I will worry about it when I do the next clutch swap. You just need to get used to holding the clutch pedal in when peeps are around the car. ;-)

Is it bad to hold in the clutch while at a light? Just wondering i had a couple people say its bad for it but just wondering?

Originally posted by XtremeRS
But yeah, i can see the throw out bearing moving back and forth a bit, and the sounds corresponds with what i am seeing. Maybe its not the trans or trans bearings afterall??

Doesn't the TOB have two plastic pips/nipples on it to hold it onto the fork?

yes. ETX and i had a PM conversation about that.

while working on my clutch installation, i realized that those clips are *VERY* easy to break off.

95greenhrcgs: i don't know if that's a good idea or not with what you did with the caged roller bearing. i hear if it ever comes apart, you need to get a new one.

95greenhrcgs: i don't know if that's a good idea or not with what you did with the caged roller bearing. i hear if it ever comes apart, you need to get a new one.


Yeah but I figured that the bearings are on the shaft so they cant fall in, and they are enclosed in the race on the inside of the bellhousing. I think that it should be fine.

well guys think its not the trany making the noise i think, for those that have aftermarket flywheel, the lever that pulls the clutch away form the flywheel is rubbing up againt the clutch housing, thats why it makes it in nuetral. if you are is in nuetral NO gears should be turning that what it means to be in neutral. someone needs to come out with a stronger thinner lever for those that have aftermarket flywheels. ohh yeah this happens because the width of the clutch and flywheel together is thicker that stock so the lever rubs against it.

this post is a bit late. but my two cents must be heard.}(
later
"Z"

Originally posted by zhr420
well guys think its not the trany making the noise i think, for those that have aftermarket flywheel, the lever that pulls the clutch away form the flywheel is rubbing up againt the clutch housing, thats why it makes it in nuetral. if you are is in nuetral NO gears should be turning that what it means to be in neutral. someone needs to come out with a stronger thinner lever for those that have aftermarket flywheels. ohh yeah this happens because the width of the clutch and flywheel together is thicker that stock so the lever rubs against it. this post is a bit late. but my two cents must be heard.}( later "Z"

I have a stock flywheel. Its not the fork rubbing, trust me, if that was the case, then it wouldnt be rattling, it would be a very nasty noise :) The input shaft ALWAYS turns, weather or not the car is in N. Anytime the engine is running, the input shaft is turning. ONLY time the input shaft does not turn is when you have your clutch pedal all the way down, or clutch disengaged. The noise we are talking about happens when we are in N, and the clutch out, or clutch engaged. Some of you with the noise, try what i suggested to do, and take a look, you just may be surprised...

ohh ok cool, well i know thats the problem i got right now.:( :( :(
later
"Z"

Originally posted by XtremeRS
try what i suggested to do, and take a look, you just may be surprised...

What is it exactly that you suggested? I can't find it anywhere :P

Anyone ever find a permanent fix? I'm having the same problem and it's so annoying.

There are only three things that can cause TOB noise.

1. Improper installation

2. Worn / failing TOB

3. Broken / missing TOB retaining tabs on the clutch fork.

Check for those and replace as necessary and i guarantee you, it will shut up.

Originally posted by DarkOne
There are only three things that can cause TOB noise. 1. Improper installation 2. Worn / failing TOB 3. Broken / missing TOB retaining tabs on the clutch fork. Check for those and replace as necessary and i guarantee you, it will shut up.

I'm reviving old thread on current problem.

Replaced stock modular style clutch and TO bearing with same and noise is still present. Current TO was installed correctly - make no mistake (and, I didn't). Noise and symptoms are just as described in this thread.

Has any progress been made regarding this issue during years since it was orginally posted?

Did you grease the shaft the TOB pivots on?

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Did you grease the shaft the TOB pivots on?

Nah, service manual makes no mention of it. Frankly, I've done a dozen swaps/service on NV-T350s w/o greasing shaft and have never had a problem. Is this the latest ju ju guess?

Ted

well your dozen swaps does not override the 100 years of work practice that exists in the automotive industry. Does the book tell you how to position a wrench on a bolt, or perhaps when to use a socket?

Terry

Are we talking about the same thing?

The problem to which I refer is the persistent scraping, screeching whirling sound that is apparently a total mystery on the neon.org board and with so many others reported here (search). Yep, the same mystery unaffected by numerous input shaft bearing, TOB, clutch pack, output bearing, etc. replacements. Heck, some guys are even pulling the inspection covers and removing the oil slinger from the interior of input shaft in a desperate measure to rid themselves of the problem.

Thanks for your kind words but swabbing grease around the input shaft bearing/seal housing the TOB rides on isn't even in the ballpark. Thanks anyhow.

I had it in my Avenger after I had my new Luk OEM clutch and fidanza aluminum modular flywheel but it never did it before that.

Maybe when the shop put it in the TOB wasn't done correctly. Mine used to do it only when the tranny was cold. It would stop once you got it warmed up.

However, my eclipse hasn't done it to me yet at all. Still stock clutch as far as I know. However I do have a bad 2nd gear synchro I need to take care of yet..

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Originally posted by Staphcar
Are we talking about the same thing? The problem to which I refer is the persistent scraping, screeching whirling sound that is apparently a total mystery on the neon.org board and with so many others reported here (search). Yep, the same mystery unaffected by numerous input shaft bearing, TOB, clutch pack, output bearing, etc. replacements. Heck, some guys are even pulling the inspection covers and removing the oil slinger from the interior of input shaft in a desperate measure to rid themselves of the problem. Thanks for your kind words but swabbing grease around the input shaft bearing/seal housing the TOB rides on isn't even in the ballpark. Thanks anyhow.

Uh... like Terry said... you need to grease the shaft.

On the topic of the revival of old post you guys might read this if you haven’t already.

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=52988

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=61200

I don’t know if the solution in the above two threads are the answer because the threads are left open. What I do know is that it is common problem and im my case has been present in numerous trannies, and in both the 3.94 and the 3.55. IMO it is the tb wobbling around because the tolerance between the TB and the fork is so wide. Another solution would be to reduce that distance by doing a little metal manipulation. (push the two fork arms closer together, maybe .0625")

Later
Brian

Originally posted by JustOne
On the topic of the revival of old post you guys might read this if you haven’t already. http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=52988 http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=61200 I don’t know if the solution in the above two threads are the answer because the threads are left open. What I do know is that it is common problem and im my case has been present in numerous trannies, and in both the 3.94 and the 3.55. IMO it is the tb wobbling around because the tolerance between the TB and the fork is so wide. Another solution would be to reduce that distance by doing a little metal manipulation. (push the two fork arms closer together, maybe .0625") Later Brian

wow, kinda old post but good point

also your car is clean as hell minus the front bumper

I know this is an old post but ive been following it for a while now. My car too has the BIG rock in the can sound.. Also mostly in the morning. It only started after I rebuilt my motor,and changed the clutch.. I was assuming by reading earlier posts it would be fine. Either go away on its own, or Id get used to the sound. Well it did not, and I could not. It only got worse. In first gear rolling along about 10 MPH it started making the same noise.Then came a vibration under acceleration. Thats when I decided to take it to my mechanic. Yesterday he replaced the whole clutch again.Including throw out bearing.When finished It was louder than before..I decided to get a rebuilt tranny which I should have Mon.I should have the car back Mon. as well. I'll let ya know if it makes a clatter then..

ive recently been dealing with the same noise (along with a busted clutch fork retainer) and 3 TOB's later, i still have the same noise. and yes you must grease the shaft of the input bearing or it will make noise (trust me been there done that). as far as the TOB is concerned, i think its a sorry design as those tabs are really cheezy that hold it to the fork, and it doesnt take much to break them. why hasnt anyone come up with a better design. but in regards to the noise this is what ive discovered, and am currently testing..i have done as XtremeRS suggested and it is the case...seems that he TOB rides on the pressure plate fingers. so either its meant to do so, or there is something up with the slave cylinder that keeps just enough pressure on the fork to maket the TOB stay engaged, ever so slightly, and it seems that if you press on the clutch fork towards the slave cylinder just enough to disengage the TOB, the noise goes away! so when i had the clutch fork out, i welded a washer onto it and found some springs that ive attached to the slave cylinder mounting bolts and made a V-shape spring configuration to pull on the clutch fork just enough to disengage the TOB. so far i havent got a spring that is strong enough to help fully eliminate the noise, but i have got the noise down to an almost un-noticable level.

Originally posted by DSMTalon
ive recently been dealing with the same noise (along with a busted clutch fork retainer) and 3 TOB's later, i still have the same noise. and yes you must grease the shaft of the input bearing or it will make noise (trust me been there done that). as far as the TOB is concerned, i think its a sorry design as those tabs are really cheezy that hold it to the fork, and it doesnt take much to break them. why hasnt anyone come up with a better design. but in regards to the noise this is what ive discovered, and am currently testing..i have done as XtremeRS suggested and it is the case...seems that he TOB rides on the pressure plate fingers. so either its meant to do so, or there is something up with the slave cylinder that keeps just enough pressure on the fork to maket the TOB stay engaged, ever so slightly, and it seems that if you press on the clutch fork towards the slave cylinder just enough to disengage the TOB, the noise goes away! so when i had the clutch fork out, i welded a washer onto it and found some springs that ive attached to the slave cylinder mounting bolts and made a V-shape spring configuration to pull on the clutch fork just enough to disengage the TOB. so far i havent got a spring that is strong enough to help fully eliminate the noise, but i have got the noise down to an almost un-noticable level.

This might help. The next time someone has their tranny out check the levelness of the fingers of the clutch. It is not uncommon for 1-2 or 3 of the finger of the pressure plate to be higher than the rest. Sometimes half of the fingers are uneven. If this is the case, bend them to the even position using a pry bar positioned under the cover and force the high ones down.

If the finger of the clutch are uneven, they will tap on the T/O brg and make a rattle noise.

This leveling procedure should be done at the factory but has been a problem in the industry for as long as there have been clutches.

hmm i didnt think of that...nor did i really bother to look when i did the new TOB install and the clutch fork replacement. but it seems that they were ok...didnt look out of the ordinary..beside the clutch came from you andy...i just wish someone would figure out a better TOB than what we have...those little metal tabs just dont cut it...its also possible that the noise results from the slack between those tabs and the clutch fork..cuz the TOB DOES not clip on solid to the clutch fork and the TOB might be rattling on the clutch fork.

Originally posted by damooch
I know this is an old post but ive been following it for a while now. My car too has the BIG rock in the can sound.. Also mostly in the morning. It only started after I rebuilt my motor,and changed the clutch.. I was assuming by reading earlier posts it would be fine. Either go away on its own, or Id get used to the sound. Well it did not, and I could not. It only got worse. In first gear rolling along about 10 MPH it started making the same noise.Then came a vibration under acceleration. Thats when I decided to take it to my mechanic. Yesterday he replaced the whole clutch again.Including throw out bearing.When finished It was louder than before..I decided to get a rebuilt tranny which I should have Mon.I should have the car back Mon. as well. I'll let ya know if it makes a clatter then..

Well I fixed my noise..No more noise.I guess it was the output bearings and from what i gather the shaft was damaged as well.All total 1,500 bucks.Considering he pulled my tranny 3 times,and I got a rebuild,I wont bitch about the money.....But after just finishing the rebuild on the motor..my wife did.

Ouch! But at least you're finally there. Now what could go wrong................J/K. No jinx!

MB

Thanks..I'll keep telling myself that!! :wary