I am getting the amount of interest in 20% udps for the 420a (total shipped under $100 most likely closer to $75 depending on machining costs). These would be professionally CNC machined at a large shop from 6061 aluminum plate. Before I take the stock and drawings to the shop, I need to have at least 20 people interested in one. Also, I will donate $2 from everyone that buys one here to support the site.

I am going to sticky this for now.

For those of you who do not know, Nick is a stand up guy - OG.

He has the resources to make this happen.

Right now NO ONE makes a UDP for the 420A application. UR has two left in stock and they want 924.00 PER.
CODE4 did confirm with UR that this was the correct price.

Tim, I think its safe to say thats not a typo. They are fucking rare now days, when I heard Nick already has one on his L/B, I freaked! Can't believe they are so damn expensive now. I seriously have been looking for a NEW one for 1 1/2 years, they must be platinum, heh.

But yeah Nick, I would definitely be interested in a few, just to have around, so next time price jacks to 900$, I have a few on hand already. :)

Jeff.

I'd be interested but only if I can get one that is straight up alternator. Don't need the extra weight for the PS/AC belt.

The design hasn't been finished yet, so I will go with what the majority want. If people want to have the PS/AC belt on it, that's what I'll go with. If it's alt only that the majority want, I'll do that. The shop will only let me do one design for the run.

Put me down for one with P/S.

Ill take one with PS and AC

Put me down for one as well with ac and ps.

I'm down for one w/ ps

Also.. any chance you would be able to make the same aluminum pulley replacements for the alt and ps?

I don't even need one, but I'll buy one *anyway* just to make this happen.

Originally posted by iamnotwhoiam
Also.. any chance you would be able to make the same aluminum pulley replacements for the alt and ps?

Originally posted by Graph-X
The shop will only let me do one design for the run.

Originally posted by CODE4

Originally posted by iamnotwhoiam Also.. any chance you would be able to make the same aluminum pulley replacements for the alt and ps?

Originally posted by Graph-X The shop will only let me do one design for the run.

yes... i saw this... but perhaps in the future it may be possible ;-)

I think the reason why you can't find them anymore is because the platform is rather old thus making it a difficult to non-existent profitable venture. On top of that, taking specific requests for PS/AC, just PS, etc. will make it harder to market to the general 'tuner'.

Bottom line is cost of production, selling, shipping and materials, (basically your total cost) and since this is an 'interference fit' part, tolerances will need to be precise - thus trial/error/testing of the prototype before giving the shop the green light for mass production. Since you're designing them yourself, thats a good bit of cost reduction. Get a few quotes from several shops within a 50 mile radius and negotiate your lowest price from there. ok i'll stop talking now lol :)

curious, what software are you using to design them?

Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
I think the reason why you can't find them anymore is because the platform is rather old thus making it a difficult to non-existent profitable venture. On top of that, taking specific requests for PS/AC, just PS, etc. will make it harder to market to the general 'tuner'. Bottom line is cost of production, selling, shipping and materials, (basically your total cost) and since this is an 'interference fit' part, tolerances will need to be precise - thus trial/error/testing of the prototype before giving the shop the green light for mass production. Since you're designing them yourself, thats a good bit of cost reduction. Get a few quotes from several shops within a 50 mile radius and negotiate your lowest price from there. ok i'll stop talking now lol :)

^Right on the fucking money. I'm not looking to get rich off these. If I make a little bit of money, yay me. Otherwise, it's just to help the community with a part that a lot of people want, but is nowhere to be found. The reason for the 20 people needed before I go to the shop is that's my break even point. After that I'll throw them on ebay or some other site at slightly inflated prices to pay off my bookie. :D

As for design software, either Vellum or Autocad. Design most likely won't end up being the interference part, but more like the customcargrill.com style with the three bolts to attach directly to the sprocket. Still getting input from the community on design though.

Local guy (not on 2gnt) just commited to one Nick. And ditto on what D said. so 2 here.

If it came down to it, and depending on the design I could probably get one with the ps/ac on it and then get someone at work to mill it off.

Well that's cool :) I love lil projects like this

If its the design like customcargrills, put me down for PS/AC. Hell, for something like this made of 6061, u could probably do national price quotes because shipping wouldn't be that much of the finished product based on size, quantity and weight. There are some cheappp quoters out there in rural areas that would love the business and do quality work - usually family owned businesses. Just a thought.

Put me down for one also. I dont care if it has ac and ps or not. I'm down.

So far 13 people committed to buying one of these. I need 7 more people before I start shelling out the money for the run.

I don't really need one, but if it makes the number closer, I'll purchase one for the community.

How much is deposit again? or I(we) have to pay. 75 dollars total or 175.

Originally posted by Graph-X
So far 13 people committed to buying one of these. I need 7 more people before I start shelling out the money for the run.

I may also be willing to get 2. I can mount the second one to my wall for decoration ;-)

alright, I think I've got enough people that I will pick up the stock once my long block is sold on Monday (right Jeff?) My engineer took some very detailed measurements of the pulley on the block yesterday, and will get me initial designs this week. I will post as progress is made.

Has their been an eta setup for the udp or is it still in the works?

Original deadline for the design to be finished was October 1. It looks as though it will be passed up. I'm hoping we can have it finished mid October now. I hope to have the UDPs ready for ship end of October to mid November.

AftEr this first batch of them think youll continue with a second batch? I'm definitly intrested in one.

from the interest above and potential ebayers, it looks like this could possibly be profitable after all. hard to tell

I'm still interested in one... Ended up doing a 10.5:1 turbo build but I wouldn't mind one if for nothin else than bling factor :-p

Let me know when preorder payments are

I'm glad people here are interested. I will let everyone know how the first run goes and when pre-orders will start. I should have a post in here mid october with the order info. Local guys can just pick up and save $5 for shipping.

I'm a little late to the party here, but my ebay UDP seems to like chewing up alt belts, so you can count me in.

Now I don't know, car was smashed the other night

Hey guys, just wanted to update you on the progress of getting this run done. The person I asked to draw up the design is taking his sweet fucking time with it. I've been bugging him on a regular basis about it, but still nothing fruitful has come of it. If by the end of the week, the design/CNC program is not done, I'll get my UDP back from him and take it to my brother in-law (degree in mechanical engineering) to get it done. Sorry for all the hold up. Seems like nothing ever goes according to plan with these things. Just know I didn't forget about you.

Ill buy one if there is any left when you get them. Ive been searching for one for a long time now.

I'm doing a total run of 50 the first time around. I think there will be enough. Also, I've been told that the drawings are done. I should have them this week so I can take them to the shop for an accurate quote on the run.

Originally posted by Graph-X
I'm doing a total run of 50 the first time around. I think there will be enough. Also, I've been told that the drawings are done. I should have them this week so I can take them to the shop for an accurate quote on the run.

Right on man! I am just about ready to finish up this engine so perfect timing.

I forgot about this but I dont think I am going to be able to commit, sorry tons of expenses have come up and money is tight. Sorry again.

If this is still going on and gonna happen soon.. I'll buy one, either way there made. I dont run power steering or a/c. never know if i'll run power steering again though. either design let me know a price and day.


Just curious, will they be all shiny and pretty? :) lol

If your still looking for machining prices I own a machine shop with CNC capabilities. If your interested message me and we'll talk.

Thanks,
Chris

Has their been any new updates on the udp? I am still in for one for sure.

Im hearing a lot of talk about them not making these anymore. But there is a car that uses the same one that will still be in the area of people modding them for the next few years at least. The SRT-4. Go on ebay and search SRT-4 underdrive pulley. Some are obx, some are name brand. Either way, I got mine with the removable steel insert for about $100 and the only time it EVER shredded a belt is when I failed to noticed oil on the pulley and the tensioner getting looser. So one PS belt in a year? Sounds good to me.

Originally posted by 740 turbo brick
Im hearing a lot of talk about them not making these anymore. But there is a car that uses the same one that will still be in the area of people modding them for the next few years at least. The SRT-4. Go on ebay and search SRT-4 underdrive pulley. Some are obx, some are name brand. Either way, I got mine with the removable steel insert for about $100 and the only time it EVER shredded a belt is when I failed to noticed oil on the pulley and the tensioner getting looser. So one PS belt in a year? Sounds good to me.

This has been discussed - the Neon pulleys use a 4 rib belt for both the alternator as well as the AC/PS belts, where the 2GNT uses a 5 rib for the outer belt. Will it work? Yes, but you cannot use the belt width intended for a 2GNT.

Originally posted by CODE4

Originally posted by 740 turbo brick Im hearing a lot of talk about them not making these anymore. But there is a car that uses the same one that will still be in the area of people modding them for the next few years at least. The SRT-4. Go on ebay and search SRT-4 underdrive pulley. Some are obx, some are name brand. Either way, I got mine with the removable steel insert for about $100 and the only time it EVER shredded a belt is when I failed to noticed oil on the pulley and the tensioner getting looser. So one PS belt in a year? Sounds good to me.

This has been discussed - the Neon pulleys use a 4 rib belt for both the alternator as well as the AC/PS belts, where the 2GNT uses a 5 rib for the outer belt. Will it work? Yes, but you cannot use the belt width intended for a 2GNT.

Negative sir, these have ribs on PS too. Check for yourself..

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=SRT-4+underdrive+pulley&_sacat=0&_odkw=SRT-4+UDP&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

I never said they do not have ribs, I am saying the Neon Pulley has one less rib, unless you can post up a pic. If you look closely at the eBay pictures (the adds that show the different angles) you can see the belt width is the same for the alternator and the PS/AC.

For example:

Neon pulley:

Ah I fail at reading. But as far as I know mine has 2GNT belt grooves. I will venture into the depths of my garage later to get a pic of it on my car. You may prove me wrong but its worked all this time fine with no modification.

Neon is 4PK, 2gnt is 5PK.

Now, back to Nick making some pulleys :thumbsup

Hey guys, I'm very sorry for the delay. I had a come to jesus with my engineer yesterday and let him know that I either need the drawings this week or the part back so that I can have someone else draw up CNC plans for it. I was promised that the drawings would be in my hands by this Saturday at the latest. I still have every intention of making this run so please be patient. Besides, it's not like anyone's spent money on these yet. Well, except me.

And yes it is a 5 rib for the 2gnt. Myth confirmed. Actually that's what the major hold up has been, inputting the rib dimensions into the drawings.

If you don't get it back, my offer still stands. I'd draw it and machine it if your happy with my price.

Thanks dude. I've still got to get the drawings or the part back before I can shop it around though. I'll let you know what I plan to do by early next week.

I dont consider this thread jacking, I consider it free bumping. lol. Anyways..

Yes, because a stickied thread needs a bump.

So are these a no go now or whats the word?????

my block is done at the shop my wiseco 8.8 .20 pistons ordered. almost time for some assembly and wondering if i should buy a good ol steel one or not or find a used alum one

Originally posted by 99BeaterGS
So are these a no go now or whats the word????? my block is done at the shop my wiseco 8.8 .20 pistons ordered. almost time for some assembly and wondering if i should buy a good ol steel one or not or find a used alum one

I'm wondering the same thing. Car should be up and on the road in about a month/month and a half. Would be great to put one of these on before hand, especially since my factory one is bent to hell and back haha.

Sorry guys. I keep getting dicked around by the guy who has my UDP. It appears he's making a liar out of me. I'm thinking for the time being I'm going to scrap this endeavor until I can get the part back or the drawings. I apologize for getting everyone's hopes up. When I finally get the part or the drawings to provide to the machine shop, I'll post another thread. In the mean time. I'm going to ask this one be unstickied and gobbled up by the forum. Again, I apologize for getting everyone's hopes up on this.