If i get a stage one Star or Hahn what kind of cars can i expect to beat.. with a 5sp

honda civic's all... preludes.... most accords... some mustangs.....99 below maxima's and altimas... neons.....stock gsx.gst ford probes....those stupid celicas, and whateva n e body else wants to add

don't get boost happy though
crank psi goes boom

haha....what about a stage1 automatic? yeah im a whore

dfresh

weight reduce your auto ... and buy a trans cooler and u should be able hang with the above ..

>honda civic's all... preludes.... most accords... some
>mustangs.....99 below maxima's and altimas... neons.....stock
>gsx.gst ford probes....those stupid celicas, and whateva n e
>body else wants to add
>
>don't get boost happy though
>crank psi goes boom
>


i highly doubt you can beat a stock gsx or gst with stage 1

tuned right? stage 1 will beat a gsx

uhh yes you can beat a GS-T stock. i have the stage 1 and i beat a gs-t and a 98 mustang GT, and of course a whole bunch of rice hondas.

no fucking way......... maybe a stage 2 but not no stage 1...... i have both a gsx and rs-t with stage 1.......and i can drive like a mad man....... just can't be done.... and if you think it can then race me and i'll prove you wrong....

if your beating people that have gs-t and gsx then they just can;t drive.... but anyone that can drive won't get beat by stage 1

Not to start a war but I have to agree with icedout. I had a star stage 1 on my auto and I think both my gst and gsx stock were faster. But they both are 5sp and like I said my gs was auto.

why would i bullshit about that, whether the gs-t was a shitty driver or not, thats not my problem, i can still claim my victory. I just raced a gs-t, not a gsx. oh and i'm manual.:thumbsup

Race someone that knows how to drive and then see if you can claim your victory........ when you race someone that doesn't know what the hell they are doing it's not a race too me...... it's a sport just like soccer you wouldn't want to play a team that doesn't know what they are doing.... you want some compitition

ive beaten plenty of stock gsx's/gst's when i had my stage 1 on, your actually supposed to beat them according to hahn (give or take the fact that u can tune ur car or not) and plus... i had exhaust and some ignition stuff so it ran stronger than a stock car but yea....gsx's arent that fast really stock but we would all get slapped off a launch...duh

anyone have a gsx in so cal? i'll put my stage 1 back on and race it on vid to show u guys, haha

~turb

i too agree with icedout and remy.. a stage1 isn't that fast.. there's a post on here somewhere that people with stage2s got around 15 flat..so im assuming stage one is like what..15.5? stock gst/gsx runs 15 flat.. i've seen stock GST/GSXs run like 14.8 14.7 with just an air filter.. i highly doubt you could beat a gsx/gst with stage1..ive seen some stage 1 420as..they are decent but not fast enough to beat a gst/gsx.

i agree with you icedout, but i raced this gs-t off a traffic light, and didn't know this guy at all, so obviously i don't know his driving skills or anything. But i believe a race is a race, and i can claim the victory. that is the only gs-t i have ever raced, so maybe you are right, but turbo8u seems to have beaten many as he says with his stage 1

lol. remy, shush, your just backing up gerard because you two have 4G63. j/k hollaaaa

you know this england!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should have show'd at johns on sat... was mad cool up in da bronx!!!!!!!!!!!!

ill beat all of u ... hahahhaahahahah ... u cant beat what u cant pass !~~~!

>ill beat all of u ... hahahhaahahahah ... u cant beat what u
>cant pass !~~~!

i think I can beat you in reverse with no wheels.........

yea yea yea .... keep talking ... ill keep walkin ya ...

6 bolts don't walk.......:nono they run past you again and again with out a leash

>6 bolts don't walk.......:nono they run past you again and
>again with out a leash

lol

on the track ... yea .. on the road anything is possible ..

maybe you just raced a oz_gs with chrome wheels.

Oh please...:rolleyes

I don't know what is wrong with your car but I've beaten plenty of 4G63's with my stage 1 and by a decent margin. My only two real power adders are an HRC stage 1 and 3" Thermal. It can be done because I've seen it first hand quite a few times. I do have a lightweight RS (power nothing) and no sound system except for an aftermarket cd player so that might throw a little more advantage my way if you guys have heavier cars.

>Oh please...:rolleyes
>
>I don't know what is wrong with your car but I've beaten
>plenty of 4G63's with my stage 1 and by a decent margin. My
>only two real power adders are an HRC stage 1 and 3" Thermal.
>It can be done because I've seen it first hand quite a few
>times. I do have a lightweight RS (power nothing) and no
>sound system except for an aftermarket cd player so that might
>throw a little more advantage my way if you guys have heavier
>cars.


i highly doubt it that you could beat me or a few others i know in stock gst- or gsx's...... keep hyping yourself up until you get your ass hand'd by a real driver... i wanna see vids of you beating a gst or gsx at the track.....son :nono :rolleyes

hmmm i thought this was 2GNT !~~~~~! .. NOT 2GT ... . GET YOUR LOW COMPRESSION ASSES OFF MY SITE !~~! LOL

ok lets think here .. there is of course the weight issue ... an rs .. is lighter than a gst even with a turbo on ... next is gear ratios .. i dont know these for the gst or rs

but the gst only makes 210 hp ... which is like 150 160 to the wheels ..

now the hrc stage one has ...

Mitsubishi/HAHN Super 16G TDO5H-16G10CM2 .. which is better than the stocker mitsu ..
5psi 7psi
200 to 225 HP
14.5 seconds @ 95 MPH (-1.5 seconds vs. GS-T!) that 3-4 cars ... nuff said ...

>i highly doubt it that you could beat me or a few others i
>know in stock gst- or gsx's...... keep hyping yourself up
>until you get your ass hand'd by a real driver... i wanna see
>vids of you beating a gst or gsx at the track.....son :nono
>:rolleyes

If you claim you can beat a higher hp car that weighs less and is statistically faster then my hat does go off to you. I'm glad you're on our side. But seriously, if you are a better driver than me, and I gave you my RS and I drove your GS-T you'd rip me a new one. If you don't want to believe me then that's ok, I'll try to get some videos on here for you. They won't be at the track though, which I know is a world of difference but the nearest track to me is 3 hours away and I'm not traveling three hours just to see if *maybe* a STOCK GS-T or GSX is there. But I'll get back to you about that dude. ;)

EDIT: Crap, I don't think that's going to happen now. I'm having my new clutch installed and ordering the stage 2 from HRC any day now so by the time I have the clutch broken in the stage 2 will probably be on. That's going to totally fuck over the whole race. Oh well, would you be willing to take a video of an RS with a stage 3 clutch and a sidemount stomping on the 4G63?

bull shit, you cant beat a stock gst/gsx ask chris aka techboy, when him and i raced when all i had was an intake, but i didnt noticed any hp with an intake, we were neck and neck

ok so my point is proven... just cause hahn puts shit on his site doesn't mean that it's 100% true

420a owners think hahn is great..4g63s think hahn's site is full of shit. a stage2 isn't even that fast..it's like mid 14..stage1 is like mid 15.. stage1 deff couldn't compete with stock gst/gsx and if it could..put a $50 boost controller on the gst/gsx and it'll creme the stage 1.. you need at least a stage2 to compete with stock gst/gsx..even then it's decent but nothing remarkable. My car is mid-low 14s and i consider it slow as shit..i barely have any mods. 14s are slow imo..13s are pretty decent..12 and under is fast..that's just what i consider.. but 420a turbos are very nice and i admire people who go the extra length to turbo their car, however i seriously doubt a stage 1 will touch a gst/gsx unless the guy is driving and automatic and has like big wheels and a system in the back and he weighs like 300 pounds and doesnt know how to launch with an automatic..imo get a stage 2 at least..stage 3 and 4 are really nice. if you're gonna drop 1 or 2 grand into your car for a turbo kit..might as well put a little more and get a better kit..cause if you put a stage 1 in your car and cant run with gst/gsx..why bother? get stage 2 and you probably/might beat a gst/gsx..it's like a 6 cylinder versus 8 cylinder mustang..if you buy a 6 cylinder and buy an expensiver supercharger..those only make them equal to mustang GT..why not just sell the 6 cylinder and take the money and the money for the supercharger and buy a GT instead of going through all that trouble to make it the same speed as a stock car..imo that would be stupid to supercharge a 6 cylinder mustang to make it equal to a GT when you could just use the money and combine it to buy a GT.

Where are u located. I know a guy around here who has a bone stock gst who will gladly race u ? Talk is cheap imo.

>Where are u located. I know a guy around here who has a bone
>stock gst who will gladly race u ? Talk is cheap imo.
>


Central Illinois but I doubt that's anywhere near you. Besides, if you would've read up above you'd know I can't because I'm having a new clutch installed and by the time it's broken in I'll have a sidemount. So if you're near me I'd appreciate it if your friend waited til about october and then we can talk.

I'm surprised to see a few of you saying the boosted 420A can't beat the 4G...no faith :nono but it's all good :thumbsup

BTW I'm really not trying to start a fight and I'm not taking any of this too seriously. I just know what I can beat and I can beat a stock GS-T. I've beaten a 2G and 1G GS-T so obviously I can. Never battled any AWD DSMs but I'd be more than willing. Like the guy said above, we can't really help how skilled the other driver is but I do know that I kept pulling away steadily while he had it floored, I didn't just pull ahead every time he shifted. So I know my car out-accelerated his which can't really be driver error since any moron can floor it right? Maybe he had mega miles on it or it wasn't a well maintained car. You guys say a 4G63 is a 15 flat car but that's the time given in factory specs, I doubt everybody with a 4G63 makes that time just like everyone with a stage 1 can't hit the 14.7 Hahn claims. Anyway, I'm done so flame away...

show me one car that has run what hahn claims or puts out the Hp that is claims:rolleyes

i'm not a fan of hahn racecraft.. people around here call it hahn raceCRAP.. they seem to lie about times and stuff.

I could say a lot about this subject but I will leave it at this, talk is cheap, from either side.

lol hahn racecrap? thats funny cuz it seems to work just fine!

oh yea...show you one car with hahn's numbers? how about the hahn rs itself. read into the car on hahn's site, it ran 13.7 with a stage II all day long.

thats just what i read though, so dont take my word for it.

i trust hahn because with race times...the driver is a HUGE FACTOR.

ILL RACE THAT BONE STOCK GST REMY !~~! TELL HIM TO BRING IT ~~!!~~

>put a $50 boost controller on the gst/gsx and it'll creme the stage 1<


This is true...a friend of mine had just a boost controller on his gst and it was dynoed at close to 230 whp. I don't quite remember the exact number, but it was close to that.

Yeah but put a boost controller on a stage one and it will eat that GS-T alive...until the motor blows.

>Yeah but put a boost controller on a stage one and it will
>eat that GS-T alive...until the motor blows.

lol

>Yeah but put a boost controller on a stage one and it will
>eat that GS-T alive...until the motor blows.


what is that one run or one rev...............

>lol hahn racecrap? thats funny cuz it seems to work just
>fine!
>
>oh yea...show you one car with hahn's numbers? how about the
>hahn rs itself. read into the car on hahn's site, it ran 13.7
>with a stage II all day long.
>
>thats just what i read though, so dont take my word for it.


that is what they say..... now show me someone on this board that even comes close........

Pull a 1.7 60ft time like bill H does, then the times on their site are perfectly attainable...but we all know that's a very damn good driver right there! We need more stage 1's to go to the dyno, rather than the 1/4 mile..I can barely think of anyone who has dynoed at stage 1. Even stage one kits need good dyno tuning of the A/F ratio. If that was done, what HRC has on their site, will be very, very close number wise..I wasnt stage 1 long enough to race a stock 4g63, so no input there. But when i ran 8 psi, i put several car lenghts on a stock gst.., and also a 1st gen talon AWD...all stock..

>Pull a 1.7 60ft time like bill H does, then the times on
>their site are perfectly attainable...but we all know that's a
>very damn good driver right there! We need more stage 1's to
>go to the dyno, rather than the 1/4 mile..I can barely think
>of anyone who has dynoed at stage 1. Even stage one kits need
>good dyno tuning of the A/F ratio. If that was done, what HRC
>has on their site, will be very, very close number wise..I
>wasnt stage 1 long enough to race a stock 4g63, so no input
>there. But when i ran 8 psi, i put several car lenghts on a
>stock gst.., and also a 1st gen talon AWD...all stock..

completely agree. a stage 1 has about an 88-89mph 1/4 mile, which is good for high 13's with a good 60 time. it's all in the driver, and of course whenever numbers are presented by a seller, they will post their very best, which comes from their best driver.:thumbsup

o god i have not checked up on this is a while but it looks like it has become a war hahahah...good info mostly bitching o well.

>completely agree. a stage 1 has about an 88-89mph 1/4 mile,
>which is good for high 13's with a good 60 time. it's all in
>the driver, and of course whenever numbers are presented by a
>seller, they will post their very best, which comes from their
>best driver.:thumbsup


88-89 MPH is more like high 14's low 15's. I ran the 1/4 at 96 mph and I don't think I can get a high 13.

high 13's you need to get real close to 100 MPH trap speeds..

>completely agree. a stage 1 has about an 88-89mph 1/4 mile,
>which is good for high 13's with a good 60 time. it's all in
>the driver, and of course whenever numbers are presented by a
>seller, they will post their very best, which comes from their
>best driver.:thumbsup

Hahahah High 13's ....yeah right. The best driver on the planet cant get 13's on a stage 1.

an eclipse at the track that ran against me ran a 13.6 1/4mile, at 88mph, he had a 1.7 60 time....of course this probably means he's GSX, but oh well.

I'm hoping the guy above made a typo and meant 14 instead of 13. I don't know why you guys are having aneurysms over the possibility of a stage 1 beating a stock 4G63. We have a bigger turbo, higher compression, and better flowing heads. Don't you think it's even possible? And yeah you could just add a boost controller to it and rape us endlessly but if we built the motor with forged internals and added and intercooler then threw on a boost controller to pretty much match your setups then I think we'd be right back with you again. Or not...I could be wrong.

BTW - I went to the track for my first time but I didn't take my car since my clutch is practically shot. My friend with a modded GTP who I raced before (beat me by half a car) ran a 14.2. I know track and street racing are totally different but if that helps with the argument as to whether or not a stage 1 can get close to 14's then yeah there you go.

>I'm hoping the guy above made a typo and meant 14 instead of
>13. I don't know why you guys are having aneurysms over the
>possibility of a stage 1 beating a stock 4G63. We have a
>bigger turbo, higher compression, and better flowing heads.
>Don't you think it's even possible? And yeah you could just
>add a boost controller to it and rape us endlessly but if we
>built the motor with forged internals and added and
>intercooler then threw on a boost controller to pretty much
>match your setups then I think we'd be right back with you
>again. Or not...I could be wrong.
>
>BTW - I went to the track for my first time but I didn't take
>my car since my clutch is practically shot. My friend with a
>modded GTP who I raced before (beat me by half a car) ran a
>14.2. I know track and street racing are totally different
>but if that helps with the argument as to whether or not a
>stage 1 can get close to 14's then yeah there you go.

Listen to kill this long ass thread. If your saying now you can run low 14's on stage 1 just bring your car to the track and prove it. Show us a time slip. I hate to quote MLP but "THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PIC" imo.


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>>I'm hoping the guy above made a typo and meant 14 instead
>of
>>13. I don't know why you guys are having aneurysms over the
>>possibility of a stage 1 beating a stock 4G63. We have a
>>bigger turbo, higher compression, and better flowing heads.
>>Don't you think it's even possible? And yeah you could just
>>add a boost controller to it and rape us endlessly but if we
>>built the motor with forged internals and added and
>>intercooler then threw on a boost controller to pretty much
>>match your setups then I think we'd be right back with you
>>again. Or not...I could be wrong.
>>
>>BTW - I went to the track for my first time but I didn't
>take
>>my car since my clutch is practically shot. My friend with
>a
>>modded GTP who I raced before (beat me by half a car) ran a
>>14.2. I know track and street racing are totally different
>>but if that helps with the argument as to whether or not a
>>stage 1 can get close to 14's then yeah there you go.
>
>Listen to kill this long ass thread. If your saying now you
>can run low 14's on stage 1 just bring your car to the track
>and prove it. Show us a time slip. I hate to quote MLP but
>"THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PIC" imo.
>

No, there's no way in hell I'll hit low 14's with my current mods. I'm just saying I hung with my friend on the street and he managed to hit a 14.2 on his best run.

sorry, but it is not a typo, the eclipse that ran against me did run 13's at 88mph with a 1.7 60ft time

wow , i just ventured into this by accident and looky what i found. This argument is pointless.

Yes the 4g63 has the advantage. It was introduced in the 80's it has years for a head start. An ECU that loves boost, adequate injectors, stronger internals, a whimpy turbine for its rpm runs ( but a turbine is still an advantage). It was made to run... Take the boost off and it will be slow as shit, its a factor that has to be there.

Our cars are not meant for boost, our ECU's freak out , our internals are shit when under pressure and we are under powered. You want a more even match? why not match up the new neon turbos?

The v6 stang comparison to the v8 is also not a great one, im a firm believer , theres no replacement for displacement.

each engien has its strengths, each has its flaws. I have respect for both, with either one though there gets to the point where the average person cant hang... taking the 420 into the boost territory is far more impressive then working with a built platform.

about the times...those can vary. I sometimes spend time in the set up lanes with pro or semi pro draggers that run accross the nation. They all say that the east coast has an advantage, something about the air pressure over there. They all say they run a whole second ( or close to it ) on the east then they do at any track in the west. Just a tid bit i thought needed some thought.

Alright, I finally hooked up the speed sensor on my HKS Type1 TT. I know I'm going to regret reviving this thread but here were my times for my two runs.

1st run - 14.62
2nd run - 14.46

The timer runs off the rotation of the wheels so wheel spin will provide for shorter times. I didn't spin at all off the line during launch but I did have small chirps going into second both times so those runs are actually probably a couple tenths slower. I know this still isn't hard proof that a stage 1 can hit 14's but it's the best I can do for now. BTW all I'm running is a stage 1 at 6 psi and a 3" cat-back and I have that slipping clutch mod :P.

Give the stage 1 a few mod's like exhaust and better filter element, and an intercooling system. Then I can see a stage 1 beating a GSX. 1gen and 2gen turbos run different times stock given the wear on the engine and miles the turbo has sustained. I think comparing a stage 1 with a few mods and a stock gs-t is a better comparision. Our 60ft times would be closer and our drivetrains (2wd vs. 2wd)If your gonna compare stock turbo mitsu vs aftermarket turbo mitsu make the comparision on this basis. The only way we can compare track times is if the same driver in consequtive runs. To many variable are present to base this arguement on "i beat this stock gs-t from a light", or "i ran a xx.x with my stage 1, and my friend ran a xx.x with his stock gs-t". We all know the variables that affect track times so im not gonna waste my time with that. Both sides make good arguements, but until all the variables are even then we cannot make an accurate comparision. Hope everyone can see where im coming from.


VW= The joy of driving
DSM= The frustration of fixing

anyone else think this thread sounds like a 4 cyclinder car vs an 8 cyclinder car......both can go fast....both can beat each other....i remember why i come onto this site now.....lots of good info.....2gnt.com seems like a site where all the car geeks come too hangout......oh yeah....i guess i need to pic a side.....i pick DSM....haha

dfresh

hmm well a stage 1 should be able to beat most of the honduh cars. You can probably keep up with a type R I think i did with 3 people in the car or maybe that was when I was stage2 can't remember. Now a S2000 I don't think you could beat.

GST and GSXs I'm not too sure I don't come up on em very much, but during one of the meets we drove on the freeway to the meeting point and those 4G63s guys drive like madmen haha I kept up with em pretty good but I had to push the car pretty hard.

My friend has a modded 2G GSX, woohoo that sucka is fast I must admit it feels faster than my car. It has a big 16G turbo fun fun. But its on the heavy side. I raced him on the freeway with my car (star stage 3 hicomp untuned) and I was able to walk on him a bit on the top end. But we were pretty much neck and neck, now when we got to the streetlight battle haha I got mas ASS beating badly haha, that AWD is no joke.

actually my friend used to have a stock 2g GST also and I drove it and it was pretty fun to drive too. But I think you could beat it with a stage 1 because that turbo is pretty weak, haha it gets winded pretty fast :P it might take you with that lowend spool though but you'll definately catch up with the T3/T4s topend. but this is when I was a stage 2 so not sure hehe. the GST is a such a cow compared to the RS all the inputs in the RS are must lighter and responsive.

oh yeah the one thing I could not beat was MUSCLE CARS!!! GRRR I got tore up by corvettes and SSs, granted those are very powerful cars, I could only hang with the SS and the corvette outright gave me a whoopin. those are the cars on my hit list hehe, you'll be faster than most import cars lets just give it that.

the ss and the vette have the same motor. 7 hp diff i believe
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96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca

7 hp difference? I thought the SS only pumped out 310 horses. The C5 makes 350 last I heard.

i have a 2000 vette sitting in my garage rated at 385-dynoed 362 and it weighs close to 1800 hundered pounds. A 2002 SS is rated at 325 and dynos at about 305-315 and outweighs it by about 1000 pounds. my boy has a 99 TA putting 330whp to the ground and can only pull a 13.3 at 107-108. My vette bone stock laid down a 12.7 at 111-112..POWR TO WEIGHT RATIO IS WHERE IT ALL BEGINS

>7 hp difference? I thought the SS only pumped out 310
>horses. The C5 makes 350 last I heard.


i always thought they under rated other cars to make the vette seem more superior, oh well

>
>i always thought they under rated other cars to make the vette
>seem more superior, oh well

Nope, the Vette just actually IS more superior.