Hey sorry bout that earlier post... it just makes me angry when people talk about stuff that they have no idea about. And I suppose it is different for me because I do drive the celica quite often. But after reading all this I went out and did a little experimenting. First I tried launching both cars and it is hella different. When you take off in the GS you can just feel the torque, and you can feel it in the gas pedal too. Now the GT-S launched fairly well too, but you have to get the RPM's way up there to realy get it going. And first gear is basically just to get the car rolling, it redlines REAL quick. So in my expert analysis ;) id have to say the eclipse would probably take it off the line, but after the Celica gets high into 2nd gear, its all over. Im gonna have to get someone and race the Celica again..... I will post that when it happens