If i get a set of components for up front and i put the tweeters in the stock tweeter locations, how do i run the wires to the crossover? is there wiring already in the there w/ the stock tweeters i can use or is there a way to run wires through the dash? i'd prefer to not have the wires running from the tweeters to the crossover visible if at all possible. i'm lookin at getting some've the Alpine Type R 6.5" components. i think the tweeters are like 1". otherwise would it be better to put the tweeters elsewhere? any suggestions? also, where'd you guys put your crossovers? TIA

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I have my tweeters between the door handle bezzel and the air vents in the doors...then I have a seperate pair of tweets in the stock locations.

To do what you're talking about you either have to A. find the stock tweeter wire inside your dash. B. run new wire.

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running new wire up to the dash tweets isnt bad at all. wrap the ends in electrical tape to form a "point". that will help guide it through the other wrires and obstructions without having it catch on anything. just push it down carefully from the top into the dash cavity, then get under the dash with a flashlight, reach up, and grab it. then you can tuck it behind the carpet or whatever from there.

k thanks guys! i was wonderin how hard it was to get the wires through there an stuff.

aaron, does it make much've a difference having that extra pair of tweeters up front? i think i'm gonna have a similar setup to yours - mostly alpine stuff.. not sure if i'm gonna get a second pair of tweeters or not though. also wha'd you hook the second pair of tweeters up to? the crossover from the components or the deck or somethin? if you hook it up in parallel with the other tweeters, is there any problems with drawing too much current (better to hook it up in series instead?) thanks

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im not going to comment on how extra tweets sound, ive never needed more than one pair to have it sound good to me (but most people think i like my music to sound waaay too warm).

dont hook up more that one pair of tweets to the crossover. by lowering (or in the case of series, raising) the impedence you will dramitacally change the crossover point, and thats no good. to run the extra set, youll need another two channels of amplification, wether its from the deck or an external amp. you can then buy another set of crossovers, or make your own for a few bucks in parts. go to this site, and look under the section entitled "passive crossovers", that should give you a good starting point on passive filtering.

http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/caraudio.htm

ps...thats and EXCELLENT site for learning about audio theory and design.

I would recommend running new wires to the stock tweeter location. You will get better sound, cause you can upgrade the wire.

Here's a trick for you guys when running wires in a car...4 foot zip ties. Go to Home Depot or Menards and get a package of 4' zipties. Cut off the end with the clasp and drill some hole into the flat part. Stick your wire through the holes and it makes running wires a snap.

Good luck to you!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for better SQ and imaging shouldn't you keep the tweeters and the woofers as close together as possible? I would recommend putting the component set in the kick panels. That would keep the speakers as close to an equal distance away from the listener as possible which will greatly improve the performance.

as a general rule, its a good idea too keep the tweets and mids close together for phase timing issues, but thats kind of an old "myth" in a way. there are many cars winning soundoffs with tweets far away from the mids. its all about experimenting with it till it sounds best.

IMO the stock locations are decent, but not great. i certainly prefer kicks, but understandable some people dont have the time/knowledge/money to do them.

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but for better SQ and imaging
>shouldn't you keep the tweeters and the woofers as close
>together as possible? I would recommend putting the
>component set in the kick panels. That would keep the
>speakers as close to an equal distance away from the
>listener as possible which will greatly improve the
>performance.

Imaging and staging are dictated by the placement of the tweeter and mids, so you are correct. One of the best applications in our vehicles is to add kick panels with a tweet and mid, but retain a "padded" down tweeter in the dash. Placing the tweeters in the kicks alone will lower the sound stage.

When properly staging a car, the goal is to give the impression that you are sitting in a auditorium, watching a performance on stage. With this in mind, your vehicle should recreate that performance. The lead singer should be in front, the drummer in back, etc. A properly staged and imaged vehicle will have left 12" beyond the driver's mirror. Right will be 12" beyond the passenger's mirror. The Stage should start at the windshield and proceed back to the middle of the hood.

Accomplishing this is a difficult task. It can be done with a tweeter in the dash and the mid in the door, but you have to work with the angle of the tweets and the mounting of the woofers. At the 1999 IASCA World Finals, I used that setup and received an almost perfect imaging and staging scores. Out 15 points each, I scored a 14 on both areas.

Put some time into the placement of your speakers and you will have great outcomes. In case you are wondering what I will be running in my own car next competition season: I will be using a tweeter in the dash, tweeter and mid in a kick panel, and a 8" sub in each of my doors. It will take some time with the angling and placement, but I will have an incredible sound stage.

Good luck to you and See you in the lanes!!!