and DAAAAYUM are they the sweetest sounding things on this planet, they're the model right under the utopias, but I couldnt tell a difference when I listened to them side by side, and yea I paid 450, but WOW, it's worth it, I got 120wrms going to each side and it sounds like I have an 8 inch sub in each door, everything's perfect, I love it, best damn investment an audiophile can made. sorry this post has no reason, but I wanna gloat wit my fellow focal owners