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Topic subjectpower lock motor placement
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11846, power lock motor placement
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Yes. I have searched and it seems there are a lot of people who just title their thread "locks" or "windows/locks." Here is a specific thread that might help in the future, eh? :P

I've got the aftermarket actuators ready to go. Motors, harness, relays, bracketry, and actuator extensions. There are no switches being installed with these locks. They will be strictly operated by my alarm. There will no longer be any lock cylinders in the car aside from the never used glovebox and oft used ignition.

I was hoping people who have done this might have a picture of two of how they mounted the motors in the doors. If no pictures, I'd still appreciate comments as to what worked and what did not work in the interest of saving time. I'll be doing this install right after work tonight.

I figure I'll wire up the system in the car and make sure everything works before I get down to final installation of the actuators and adjustment of motion, but I'd like to go into this with a bit of an idea where they go.

Thanks in advance.
11847, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by Blk95GS, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
I put mine in the top corner behind the door panel, right under the handle. I mounted pieces of the metal strap on the outside edge of the door frame, this sat the actuator just inside the sheet metal and lined it up with the locking arm. Works perfect. You do have to cut the styrofoam block attached to the door panel though. I'll try to find a pic...

-T
11849, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Thanks, man. I gave this a half-hearted shot tonight, but pffft. Too much thought on an empty stomach. :P

Looks like the "kit" I bought is an accessory pack for some Audiovox alarm system, so the nifty harness they inlcuded that the relays go into is pretty much useless, and I spent most of my time trying to figure out a way to make some use of it. Anyways, here's what I've got...



and these are the relays in the harness


My Alarm, a CODE CA-630 or some shit, has blue and green outputs from the control for lock and unlock. Obviously, they are merely signal wires and I would need to use them to trip the relays to actuate the lock motors. Being someone who always reads the instructions before trying to do something, I got a bit fuckered up due to all the instructions assuming you already have power locks on the car. 1-stage, 2-stage, reverse negative polarity, positive 3 wire, 5 wire, vaccum pump assist, whogivesafuckingshitright?

What I want to know is, could I just connect a constant 12VDC and GND to ONE of the relays and run both motors off of it so both locks do their thing at the same time? Keep in mind, this a system with no keys and no external locking mechanisms.

And, just to show my appreciation for your reading this thread, here's a picture of a Beemer with a ladder stuck in his sunroof that I saw tonight. Faboo.

11857, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by hs_elrod, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
you can run both actuators off one relay.

But to be on the safe after it's all installed, (with actuators under load) lock and unlock a ton of times and see if the relay gets warm. If it gets warm at all I would advise using 2 relays.


I'm a novice listen to what I say and make your own conclusion.
11858, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by hs_elrod
you can run both actuators off one relay. But to be on the safe after it's all installed, (with actuators under load) lock and unlock a ton of times and see if the relay gets warm. If it gets warm at all I would advise using 2 relays. I'm a novice listen to what I say and make your own conclusion.


Thanks, man. Appreciate it.
11859, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by MCubed45, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
it depends on your alarm. unless your alarm has built in circuitry for door locks you will probably need 2 relays. one to initate 'locking' the other to initiate 'unlocking'. power is provided to the actuators only for a brief period of time. at rest they just stay where they are. when current flows through the actuator in one direction they 'lock' when it flows through in the opposite direction they 'unlock'. double check how that harness is wired. it may be easiest to keep it and send the appropriate signal from your alarm through the signal wire on the relays.

the relays are most likely wired to have both actuator leads rest at ground. they then provide current to the appropraite lead when a signal is received.

most alarms are NOT made to power door locks directly so you will most likely need 2 relays (one for lock and one for unlock).


*edit*
how many pins on the signal harness to the relays? if it's 4 it's probably +12, ground, lock signal, unlock signal.
11860, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
The alarm box has two, 14AWG leads - blue/lock & green/unlock. I'm thinking this means I need to use both relays, then? :wary
11864, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by MCubed45, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
do you have the install manual from your alarm? it all depends on the output on those two leads. some alarms can control motors directly, others need relays. if relays are used you also need to know what kind of output your alarm uses. it's most likely either a postive signal or a ground signal. this affects how your relays are wired.

because you are not doing progressive locks you will essentially be wiring your two actuators in parallel and thus treating them as one actuator. then you will use each relay to ground an actuator lead. (i.e. when when neither relay is energized the actuator leads should both be connected to ground). when the "lock" relay is energized you want it to supply power to actuator lead which will cause the actuator to perform the "lock" movement. the same is done with the "unlock" relay and the other actuator lead.


www.the12volt.com

^^awesome forum with lots've nice pics an stuff. check it out.
11871, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by DR1665, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Thanks, man. Appreciate the info.

They're still not hooked up, but I'll give this a shot. :thumbsup
11927, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by Chamuko, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page1.asp

http://www.the12volt.com/doorlocks/doorlocks.asp
11942, RE: power lock motor placement
Posted by 96eclipse2nr, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
hey driggs, did you ever get them mounted or are you still waiting on pix? i can run out and get some real quick. all i gotta do is whip off the door panel.

oh and im pretty sure you have to use 2 realys..one to unlock, one to lock as chamuko stated
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