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biggnasty	Sep-12-06 12:06 PM
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#97168, "Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"

I noticed my engine sounded a little different after a fast run to my girls house when she called and said she was horny. I had about 1/8th of a tank of gas when I got on I-10, then got off with fumes.

Steam was coming from the breather and way more oil than usual, like my valve cover was being overly pressurized. Compression test numbers were 250, 260, 90, 250.

Ok guys, please diagnose my prob.

1. No water/antifreeze in oil.
2. No Chocolate milk in coolant.
3. Steam coming from exhaust and breather.
4. Valve cover massively pressurized under boost.
5. Vacuum is at 13 at idle and at 20 when I coast in gear to a stop.

Possible Solutions:

A. Replace number 3 piston and rings.
B. Remove head and have it sent to be repaired and milled, along with replacing the head gasket.
C. Replace All 4 pistons and rings with forged pistons, replace the head and call it good.
D. Both B and C.

I have a couple days until payday to figure this shit out. What ever you guys decide, please let me know now, so I can prepare my friends for a weekend of helping me do this. I'm tight on cash and dont want to remove the motor.

*ONE MORE THING*

I hear that the stock rods are good up to 21psi. If I do replace just the pistons, can I actually take 15 pounds on the new pistons and stock rods and keep it as a (hard driven) daily driver?

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!, CarbonFiberRST, Sep-12-06 12:30 PM, #1

RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!, thedawg, Sep-12-06 12:35 PM, #2

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CarbonFiberRST	Sep-12-06 12:30 PM
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#97169, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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First off you shouldn't boost with less than 1/4 tank IMO.

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thedawg	Sep-12-06 12:35 PM
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#97170, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Sep-12-06 12:40 PM by thedawg

C.
You blew your #3 piston ringland. This happens to every oem piston after being boosted for a while. #3 is the most common for whatever reason. Rebuild with forged pistons.
You will be removing the engine.
No, you can't boost over 8psi on stock pistons. Once you get 440cc+ injectors, better fuel management, and forged pistons, you can play in the 15-18psi range. The stock rods handle 15psi, but getting forged pistons custom fit to your rods is a waste of time and money. Get Eagle rods.
Your head is fine.

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biggnasty	Sep-12-06 12:39 PM
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#97172, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by thedawg
C. You blew your #3 piston ringland. This happens to every oem piston after being boosted for a while. #3 is the most common for whatever reason. Rebuild with forged pistons. You will be removing the engine. No, you can't boost over 8psi on stock pistons. Once you get 440cc+ injectors, better fuel management, and forged pistons, you can play in the 15-18psi range. Your head is fine.

So its only the ringland? This would also cause coolant to burn off through the exhaust? Also, will replacing the pistons with forged pistons make this problem totaly go away, and not happen again staying under 18 pounds of boost?

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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thedawg	Sep-12-06 12:44 PM
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#97174, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnastySo its only the ringland? This would also cause coolant to burn off through the exhaust? Also, will replacing the pistons with forged pistons make this problem totaly go away, and not happen again staying under 18 pounds of boost?

It could be a blown headgasket too, you detonated quite a bit to shatter the piston, so you could very well have blown the HG too. A total engine rebuild would get you on your way, but you need to get bigger injectors, a real FMU like Aeromotive or Vortech ("custom"? wtf?). Read the turbo forum a lot, and decide if you want to keep your turbokit and invest $3000-5000 into rebuilding. If you don't have that kind of cash, sell your turbo system and do a stock rebuild.

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biggnasty	Sep-12-06 12:41 PM
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#97173, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
In response to Reply # 2

Also keep in mind, I will most likely not be honing the cylinder. Is it totally bad to just drop in the new pistons and rings?

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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thedawg	Sep-12-06 12:50 PM
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#97176, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Also keep in mind, I will most likely not be honing the cylinder. Is it totally bad to just drop in the new pistons and rings?

Yes it's a bad idea because you'll probably end up pulling it apart a couple months later for another rebuild. You absolutely won't get a good seal, and your rings will constantly leak. If you really want to put forged pistons on stock rods, without boring & honing the cylinders, you should first search Tommyboy's posts on here. (Cliff's notes: he rebuilt his engine like 12,000 times)

I believe Wiseco makes a piston that fits a stock 2gnt rod and bore. This is not a weekend project for a first-timer. Think several months, or weeks if you've already rebuilt a couple engines.

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biggnasty	Sep-12-06 01:03 PM
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#97178, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by thedawg

Originally posted by biggnasty Also keep in mind, I will most likely not be honing the cylinder. Is it totally bad to just drop in the new pistons and rings?

Yes it's a bad idea because you'll probably end up pulling it apart a couple months later for another rebuild. You absolutely won't get a good seal, and your rings will constantly leak. If you really want to put forged pistons on stock rods, without boring & honing the cylinders, you should first search Tommyboy's posts on here. (Cliff's notes: he rebuilt his engine like 12,000 times) I believe Wiseco makes a piston that fits a stock 2gnt rod and bore. This is not a weekend project for a first-timer. Think several months, or weeks if you've already rebuilt a couple engines.

Ok, i'm taking all your suggestions into consideration. But... Is there anyway I can hone the cylinders without removing the block? The head will be removed and the gasket will be replaced with a metal gasket.

As for this not being a weekend project, I have access to the base hobbyshop and 3 buddys who are all in the 12's and 14's (rx-7 and 06 GTI).

I think If we start on friday night, get the head off, get the oil pan off, get the pistons out, come back saturday morning, I dont see this taking more than 28 hours.

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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thedawg	Sep-12-06 01:10 PM
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#97181, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"

Originally posted by biggnastyIs there anyway I can hone the cylinders without removing the block? The head will be removed and the gasket will be replaced with a metal gasket.

Yeah, you can hone the cylinders with the block in the car for sure. You'd need to buy standard (not .020 oversise, etc.) pistons which we don't recommend, but you can do it with a ball hone and a power drill.

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DarkOne	Sep-12-06 01:10 PM
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#97180, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Also keep in mind, I will most likely not be honing the cylinder. Is it totally bad to just drop in the new pistons and rings?

If you're not going to at least hone the cylinders, park your car, buy a crowbar, and use it to pry your head from your ass.

The fumes are oil vapor from pressurizing the crankcase, not coolant. You lost the #3 ring land. at the cheapest, you're looking at replacing one piston, rod and ring set, a new rod bearing set and honing the cylinder walls. However, rod bearing kits come in sets of 8 (two halves for each journal) and ring sets supply enough for four pistons... so you're wasting your damned money if you only replace hole's worth. If you're going to do it, re-ring the whole motor and replace all the bearingsa. Hone the effing cylinder walls

You absolutely WILL have to get into the motor, so you might as well do it RIGHT.

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biggnasty	Sep-12-06 12:37 PM
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#97171, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by CarbonFiberRST
First off you shouldn't boost with less than 1/4 tank IMO.

Ok, the call was from a girl who I've only had sex with once. Also, I was willing to put the ass over my car (which I will never do again). I know not to do that, but thanks anyway for the help.

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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CarbonFiberRST	Sep-12-06 12:45 PM
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#97175, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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instead of triple posting you can edit your first post...
Also, stock rods have been known to fail at 13psi. I read a few posts by tommyboy from a long time ago where this was the case. Not honing the cylinders is just asking for trouble... The rings won't seat for shit in smooth worn cylinders. I'd think the headgasket would have to blown for coolant to be burning.

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MiztahfooLish	Sep-12-06 02:04 PM
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#97182, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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C.

...or else you will be pulling your motor out again in a short time.

By the way, your compression numbers on the other 3 cylinders are kinda high. I remember the specs are at 175-225.

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BlackMagic	Sep-12-06 03:30 PM
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#97183, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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You really need to think about what you want. If you want a bandaid leave the motor in, buy a new piston and rings, hone it. If you want to fix the problem and be ready for more boost, like the 21 pounds you said you want to run, pull the motor, bore it, hone it, deck it, get oversized pistons and rings, get some eagle rods, new bearings, get the head resurfaced. So do you want a bandaid or do you want to fix the problem? If you've got access to this shop you might as well do it the right way.

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biggnasty	Sep-13-06 05:11 AM
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#97189, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by BlackMagic
You really need to think about what you want. If you want a bandaid leave the motor in, buy a new piston and rings, hone it. If you want to fix the problem and be ready for more boost, like the 21 pounds you said you want to run, pull the motor, bore it, hone it, deck it, get oversized pistons and rings, get some eagle rods, new bearings, get the head resurfaced. So do you want a bandaid or do you want to fix the problem? If you've got access to this shop you might as well do it the right way.

The problem is money. I can pull the motor and transport it myself, but then I'll need to replace the crank shaft bearings, and I dont know how much boaring, honing, and decking will cost. Also shaving the head. Do you have a rough estimate on that?

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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biggnasty	Sep-13-06 06:24 AM
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#97190, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Sep-13-06 06:31 AM by biggnasty

Ok, I've been doing alot of talking to the mechanics at the hobby shop.

This is the option I am SERIOUSLY considering.

-Remove the head and inspect it for defects. If all is good, then the head is going to be sent to a shop to be shaved.

-Replace the head gasket with a metal gasket.

-Remove the oil pan.

-Remove the pistons and rods.

-wrap all components in seran wrap covered with grease to catch all shavings.

-Hone all 4 cylinder walls with raspberry and drill.

-Clean all shavings off.

-Install new Eagle H Beams

-Install new Weisco 8.8:1 pistons and rings

-reinstall Head with metal gasket

-install boost controller for 15 lbs with 1:1 custom regulator to run at 110 fuel psi at idle.

-Start er' up.

If I'm wrong on any of these steps, missing any steps, or see a better way of doing this please let me know. Your support is really appreciated guys. I dont know where I'd be without this site (alot poorer thats for sure).

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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Avenger	Sep-13-06 06:38 AM
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#97191, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
-install boost controller for 15 lbs with 1:1 custom regulator to run at 110 fuel psi at idle.

WTF? 110 psi?!?!?! No way is that going to idle and no way you'll find a 1:1 that will let you up the pressure to 110psi.

I believe what Dan was saying in regards to a better fuel system was either

A. Replace HRC Cartech (also known as the CRAPTECH) with a Vortech SFMU rising rate regulator (something that can do greater than a 1:1 rise rate)

B. Replace CRAPTECh with a 1:1 FPR (Aeromotive, MagnaFlow, Holley, etc. but NOT custom) but also replace your fuel management system. So going with an 8 injector setup (port fueler, 034EIC, etc.) or gettin a megasquirt or other type of standalone fuel managment system.

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DarkOne	Sep-13-06 06:52 AM
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#97192, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by Avenger

Originally posted by biggnasty -install boost controller for 15 lbs with 1:1 custom regulator to run at 110 fuel psi at idle.

WTF? 110 psi?!?!?! No way is that going to idle and no way you'll find a 1:1 that will let you up the pressure to 110psi. I believe what Dan was saying in regards to a better fuel system was either A. Replace HRC Cartech (also known as the CRAPTECH) with a Vortech SFMU rising rate regulator (something that can do greater than a 1:1 rise rate) B. Replace CRAPTECh with a 1:1 FPR (Aeromotive, MagnaFlow, Holley, etc. but NOT custom) but also replace your fuel management system. So going with an 8 injector setup (port fueler, 034EIC, etc.) or gettin a megasquirt or other type of standalone fuel managment system.

No shit... Jesus. You need to start listening to people who kn ow what they're talking about (like us, who have actually done all this shit before) or at least stop listening to your buddies who apparently have no idea what they're talking about.

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Kirby	Sep-13-06 07:19 AM
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#97193, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Ok, I've been doing alot of talking to the mechanics at the hobby shop. This is the option I am SERIOUSLY considering. -Remove the head and inspect it for defects. If all is good, then the head is going to be sent to a shop to be shaved. -Replace the head gasket with a metal gasket. -Remove the oil pan. -Remove the pistons and rods. -wrap all components in seran wrap covered with grease to catch all shavings. -Hone all 4 cylinder walls with raspberry and drill. -Clean all shavings off. -Install new Eagle H Beams -Install new Weisco 8.8:1 pistons and rings -reinstall Head with metal gasket -install boost controller for 15 lbs with 1:1 custom regulator to run at 110 fuel psi at idle. -Start er' up. If I'm wrong on any of these steps, missing any steps, or see a better way of doing this please let me know. Your support is really appreciated guys. I dont know where I'd be without this site (alot poorer thats for sure).

Yeah so have the head checked for flatness before you shave it because it can make retiming the motor very tricky. As for the rebuild at least you are looking at the proper parts now with the forged rods, still not crazy about weisco's but I hear you on the budget thing. Just make sure you go slow enough to make sure your doing it right. I'm not going to comment on the fuel system because they have already done that above here^^^ but this "custom" fuel system may be what cause this problem in the first place. So it might be time to try something that is proven to work... There are a few fuel system options up for sale right now in the FS section...(like mine...lol)

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BlackMagic	Sep-13-06 07:26 AM
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#97194, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Yea realize though if you have to shave your head, you might need to get some cam gears to make up for it.

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biggnasty	Sep-13-06 07:41 AM
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#97195, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
In response to Reply # 18

Great! So the what I'm getting is the general GO AHEAD with what my option is. As for the fuel system, I use a half a tank of gas a day, I know its not right, but its rich and safe. I am looking at a FMU because the rx-7 is comming back online in 2 weeks and he wants his regulator back.

So, if you guys dont have any objections to my plan. I'll take your blessings and proceed with the rebuild.

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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Kirby	Sep-13-06 07:53 AM
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#97196, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
In response to Reply # 19
Sep-13-06 07:53 AM by Kirby

Originally posted by biggnasty
Great! So the what I'm getting is the general GO AHEAD with what my option is. As for the fuel system, I use a half a tank of gas a day, I know its not right, but its rich and safe. I am looking at a FMU because the rx-7 is comming back online in 2 weeks and he wants his regulator back. So, if you guys dont have any objections to my plan. I'll take your blessings and proceed with the rebuild.

What do you mean it's rich and safe? Did you know that too rich can cause pre detination and have the same consequences as a lean condition? You know like detonating and breaking a ringland, which is exactly what happened here...You don't have any guages to monitor what is going on in that engine, and that is a really bad idea.. 270cc injectors with a custom FPR does not say much... What is your FP at idle and at 5psi? If you don't know then you better find out before you spend all this money and then blow it up again...

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Avenger	Sep-13-06 11:00 AM
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#97197, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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So this is what I'm getting from you ... and this is my recommendation.

You need a reliable fuel system but you're not going to be boosting the shit out of it. Am I right?

Tried and true ...

Get a Vortech SFMU (get this because it's used so often on the board that you can find any tuning information regarding this using a search).

You can keep your 270s but I think it's a little on the small side for anything over 10psi. But it's up to you. You can "tune" the SFMU to use these. Go to RC Engineering's site and find out what you want to set your rise rate to and your FP at full boost (peak power). Your rise rate may change slightly based on what your base and idle FP ends up being. For this you should get the bleed valve accessories so that you can make those small adjustments.

Get a Wideband O2 sensor as it's the only way to keep an eye on the motor.

Also, work up ... don't go cranking it up to 15psi ... start low and get the hang of tuning your car ... then go up. There is a learning curve for all of this and you'll get a better feel of how your car is responding to all these little changes you're making.

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Blizare	Sep-13-06 11:22 AM
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#97199, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Wow you guys are too nice. this is a waste of your time.

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Avenger	Sep-13-06 12:09 PM
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#97201, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by Blizare
Wow you guys are too nice. this is a waste of your time.

Everyone starts somewhere Blaire. No one is perfect the first time out ... I'm on my 3rd motor. Proof enough. Thankfully the old board is long gone so we don't have to witness some of the questions I asked when I got on here.

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biggnasty	Sep-13-06 03:50 PM
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#97202, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Sep-13-06 03:51 PM by biggnasty

Well, thanks for giving me all this info. I'm in the process of getting a SFMU or for now I'm getting a FMU.

Also, I already admitted to my newbieness in regards to my fuel setup. I had it idling at 90 and rising at 1 psi per pound of boost. I'll be keeping the 270cc injectors for now. I'm also going to be getting a boost controller.

I have decided to go and rebuild the motor by doing all except for boaring. The block is NOT leaving the car. so.... please stop bashing my newbie ass. I installed the turbo by myself when I didnt know squat about it. I asked the questions and got bashed. I got it running, and got bashed because of my fuel setup. I did what I could with the parts I had. I'm just getting a little tired of being bashed so much. But... you guys have been helpful, so thanks guys.

The engine rebuild starts on Friday.

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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BlackMagic	Sep-13-06 04:35 PM
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#97203, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
please stop bashing my newbie ass.....I asked the questions and got bashed....I got it running, and got bashed...I'm just getting a little tired of being bashed so much.

...BASH

welcome to the forum

Let us know what happens. And yea 90psi at idle is wayyy too high, which I guess you know now.

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Blizare	Sep-14-06 05:27 AM
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#97206, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Sep-14-06 05:28 AM by Blizare

Originally posted by biggnasty
I had it idling at 90

That is outrageously high. stock is 45-50 psi depending on the year/type of fuel system you have.

Ask yourself if 90psi sounds retarded or not. You should be at 90psi under 8psi of boost, not at idle.

Originally posted by Avenger

Originally posted by Blizare Wow you guys are too nice. this is a waste of your time.

Everyone starts somewhere Blaire. No one is perfect the first time out ... I'm on my 3rd motor. Proof enough. Thankfully the old board is long gone so we don't have to witness some of the questions I asked when I got on here.

This I know as I was in this position myself but I don't think I was so oblivious to everyones recomendations

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djtrickee	Sep-14-06 06:05 AM
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#97207, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Sep-14-06 06:11 AM by djtrickee

Originally posted by Blizare
This I know as I was in this position myself but I don't think I was so oblivious to everyones recomendations

I think we saw this one coming weeks ago. Unfortunately it sounds as though the OP didn't listen to the other 14 posts and aprox. 100 replies giving advice... Not to bash the OP but this is a good example of why people should research and LISTEN more!

ahhh oh well. Rebuild. Err, listen to all the advice 1st, then rebuild.
My advice (which i know you won't listen to since you don't listen to anyones advice) is:

Remove the turbo kit from your car.
Remove the engine from your car. thats right... REMOVE the engine from your car.
Have it worked over at a machine shop, see posts above for recommendations.
Re-install engine in car.
DO NOT re-install the turbo kit on your car.
Drive car until it is broken in.
DO NOT re-install the turbo kit on your car.
Enjoy your car.
Sell turbo kit to someone who is competent enough to install and tune properly.

EDIT:

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=96443&mesg_id=96443&listing_type=search

lol, blair even called him a choad for not following everyones advice. oh well... lesson learned.

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DarkOne	Sep-14-06 06:13 AM
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#97208, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Well, thanks for giving me all this info. I'm in the process of getting a SFMU or for now I'm getting a FMU. Also, I already admitted to my newbieness in regards to my fuel setup. I had it idling at 90 and rising at 1 psi per pound of boost. I'll be keeping the 270cc injectors for now. I'm also going to be getting a boost controller. I have decided to go and rebuild the motor by doing all except for boaring. The block is NOT leaving the car. so.... please stop bashing my newbie ass. I installed the turbo by myself when I didnt know squat about it. I asked the questions and got bashed. I got it running, and got bashed because of my fuel setup. I did what I could with the parts I had. I'm just getting a little tired of being bashed so much. But... you guys have been helpful, so thanks guys. The engine rebuild starts on Friday.

Seriously, it is EASIER to take the block out that to purposely try and leave it in and do what you're talking about. Trust us! We know what we're talking about!

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djtrickee	Sep-14-06 06:21 AM
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#97209, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by DarkOne
Trust us! We know what we're talking about!

Deaf ears, my friend, deaf ears...

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Kirby	Sep-14-06 07:10 AM
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#97210, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by Blizare This I know as I was in this position myself but I don't think I was so oblivious to everyones recomendations

I think we saw this one coming weeks ago. Unfortunately it sounds as though the OP didn't listen to the other 14 posts and aprox. 100 replies giving advice... Not to bash the OP but this is a good example of why people should research and LISTEN more! ahhh oh well. Rebuild. Err, listen to all the advice 1st, then rebuild. My advice (which i know you won't listen to since you don't listen to anyones advice) is: Remove the turbo kit from your car. Remove the engine from your car. thats right... REMOVE the engine from your car. Have it worked over at a machine shop, see posts above for recommendations. Re-install engine in car. DO NOT re-install the turbo kit on your car. Drive car until it is broken in. DO NOT re-install the turbo kit on your car. Enjoy your car. Sell turbo kit to someone who is competent enough to install and tune properly. EDIT: http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=96443&mesg_id=96443&listing_type=search lol, blair even called him a choad for not following everyones advice. oh well... lesson learned.

Wish i would have read that before I posted... So here is my bashing, you didn't listen to the people here the first time and look where you are, I would suggest that you listen this time. Now that big nasty has turned broke bitch you don't want it to happen again do you?

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Originally posted by DR1665
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Blizare	Sep-14-06 07:46 AM
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#97211, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by DarkOne Trust us! We know what we're talking about!

Deaf ears, my friend, deaf ears...

No shit hey

well I guess you can only help people who want help

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biggnasty	Sep-14-06 10:53 AM
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#97212, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Well, yeah, I didnt listen cuz I was too cheap to buy a FMU. Soooooo... This saturday, I'm driving up to ******* (I want it for myself) to get a 95 GST completly unmolested, and mod free. That means no abuse.

I love my car, and I love the fact that I drive a turbo car that came non turbo. Lots of lessons learned especially when this time last year I could barely change a tire, seriously.

Well, I guess going the 4g63 route is going to be better for me. I'm starting a new job (getting out of the air force) and need a reliable car for work.

Thanks for the help everyone. I hope getting in to the low 14s will be cheaper starting with a GST than an RS.

Also, is it wrong if I put my car on a trailor take it to the dealer, off load it around the corner, drive it up, and do a trade-in? The fucker will never know. And I drive off with an EMACULATE GST for 1 grand out of pocket.

-Custom Hahn Racecraft Stage 2 Kit.
-Hahn FMIC
-2.5 Downpipe (Upgrading to 3")
-270cc injectors (Upgrading to 550cc)
-16g Turbo/8 lbs (Upgrading to 17lbs with mechanical boost controller)
-Custom FPR (Upgrading to S-FMU)
-Wiesco 8:8:1 CPR Pistons
-Eagle H Beams
-ARP Main/Head studs
-Centerforce dual friction stage 3
-Dyno Tune Comming Jan-07...

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Avenger	Sep-14-06 12:14 PM
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#97215, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Also, is it wrong if I put my car on a trailor take it to the dealer, off load it around the corner, drive it up, and do a trade-in? The fucker will never know. And I drive off with an EMACULATE GST for 1 grand out of pocket.

Would you be pissed off is some dealer sold you a lemon ... like your potential GST that had a known crack in the block or something?

Also, if you intend to go scamming people don't post that you're going to do it in a public forum.

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Blizare	Sep-14-06 01:51 PM
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#97216, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by Avenger
Your GST is gonna have crankwalk bitch

There I fixed it for ya. Feel free to change it back though.

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BlackMagic	Sep-14-06 03:35 PM
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Good luck, I'm just glad you're not going to destroy that 420a anymore.

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CarbonFiberRST	Sep-15-06 06:38 AM
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#97227, "RE: Possible Blown Motor, Possible Solutions, Your Help Badly Needed!!!"
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Originally posted by biggnasty
Well, yeah, I didnt listen cuz I was too cheap to buy a FMU. Soooooo... This saturday, I'm driving up to ******* (I want it for myself) to get a 95 GST completly unmolested, and mod free. That means no abuse. I love my car, and I love the fact that I drive a turbo car that came non turbo. Lots of lessons learned especially when this time last year I could barely change a tire, seriously. Well, I guess going the 4g63 route is going to be better for me. I'm starting a new job (getting out of the air force) and need a reliable car for work. Thanks for the help everyone. I hope getting in to the low 14s will be cheaper starting with a GST than an RS. Also, is it wrong if I put my car on a trailor take it to the dealer, off load it around the corner, drive it up, and do a trade-in? The fucker will never know. And I drive off with an EMACULATE GST for 1 grand out of pocket.

Do you think they're that dumb? they're just going to let you drop your pile off and walk out with "EMACULATE GST" for $1k. I know when I traded in my truck a salesman testdrove it before they accepted it. I wonder how well that will go over with your car since you can't even drive it all the way to the dealership...

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