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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-27-04 04:50 PM
Member since Mar 16th 2004 6314 posts,

#75568, "How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"

Well the shortblock is going to be here sometime next week and its going to be time to start pulling the engine to swap blocks. I have the fpr that the star stage 2 kit came with and here is going to be the new setup in the engine ...
Eagle H-beam rods
JE 8:8 pistons .020
standard main/rod bearings
melling oil pump
crane turbo cams
obx intake manifold
obx fuel rail
AFX u/d pulley
APR head studs
and some other top end stuff

question is, with the fmu that the star stage 2 came with, what size injectors will i need and what other fuel management will i need to run like 14-16psi?
do i need to get a new disk and spring for the fmu?

any help here will be greatly appreciated!
thanks!

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RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Aug-27-04 08:43 PM, #1

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, Scandelous, Aug-28-04 03:38 AM, #2

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Aug-28-04 07:52 AM, #3

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, TXTurboGS, Aug-28-04 08:09 AM, #4

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Aug-28-04 08:28 AM, #5

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, djtrickee, Aug-28-04 08:33 AM, #6

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Aug-28-04 08:42 AM, #7

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Aug-28-04 08:58 AM, #8

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Aug-28-04 10:03 AM, #9

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, EclipseRST, Aug-28-04 10:26 AM, #10

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Aug-28-04 10:44 AM, #11

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Aug-28-04 12:41 PM, #12

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, DarKReaLity, Aug-28-04 01:39 PM, #13

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, TXTurboGS, Aug-28-04 08:03 PM, #14

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, CarbonFiberRST, Aug-28-04 10:48 PM, #15

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RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Sep-01-04 01:14 PM, #43

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, TXTurboGS, Sep-01-04 01:19 PM, #44

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, turbo8u, Sep-01-04 02:03 PM, #45

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Sep-01-04 02:15 PM, #47

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Sep-01-04 02:32 PM, #49

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Sep-01-04 02:33 PM, #50

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, MR BLUNT 2gnt, Sep-01-04 02:28 PM, #48

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RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, turbo8u, Sep-01-04 03:25 PM, #55

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, djtrickee, Sep-01-04 02:38 PM, #53

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Sep-01-04 03:18 PM, #54

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, DarKReaLity, Sep-01-04 05:31 PM, #56

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, eclipse982nrRST, Sep-02-04 01:12 AM, #57

RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, Dave41079, Sep-02-04 01:57 AM, #58

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RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??, tim97rs, Sep-02-04 07:01 AM, #60

tim97rs	Aug-27-04 08:43 PM
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#75576, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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you need to use the search button you shit scraper, this has been beat to death more than your poor little self-abused pud!

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Scandelous	Aug-28-04 03:38 AM
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#75593, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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You can run 310cc injectors with an 8:1 ratio disc in the FMU. I would go with at least 440's with that much boost because the 310's will be about maxed. Then upgrade to the SFMU you you can tone down the idle fuel pressure a bit.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-28-04 07:52 AM
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#75599, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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so i should get 440cc injectors with the 8:1 disk for teh vortec fmu and i will be fine running like 12psi daily and 16tpsi at track?
how will my idling be though?
thanks guys

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TXTurboGS	Aug-28-04 08:09 AM
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#75602, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Why the hostile answer? Come on, if you are not going to help, then dont say anything. I think this question has many answers, not just one.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-28-04 08:28 AM
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#75606, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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i agree with TX!
i was just talking to a guy who had a 2gnt w/ turbo and built bottom end and he said i could get 330 or 390cc injectors and get a 8:1 disk for the fmu and use an safc (which i have but not installed yet). he said i could just keep all the settings at zero on the safc and tune the fuel curve for idle and be okay ... does this make sense, i dont know much about this fuel shit. please help me

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djtrickee	Aug-28-04 08:33 AM
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#75607, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by TXTurboGS
Why the hostile answer? Come on, if you are not going to help, then dont say anything. I think this question has many answers, not just one.

Because NOOB... This question has been asked and answered like 10-15 times a week. SEARCH! dont you get it. Its all been done already and the answers to all questions have been posted.

No run off and search for the term NOOB... noob.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-28-04 08:42 AM
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#75609, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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i have tried searching, tell me what to put in for my search so i dont have to waste your guys' time please.
thanks.

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tim97rs	Aug-28-04 08:58 AM
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#75610, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 6
Aug-28-04 09:10 AM by tim97rs

Originally posted by TXTurboGS
Why the hostile answer? Come on, if you are not going to help, then dont say anything. I think this question has many answers, not just one.

because this guy is arguably the dumbest nugget of shit i have seen on this board in a long while! he has 501 posts most of which are asking how things are done, which is not a problem until you realize its ALL been asked answered and discussed a million times before, and he just keeps coming back with more stupid questions. not to mention he asks the same questions over and over again in multiple posts....
i have no respect for anyone who cant at least do some elemetery self-education before asking questions... even if they are stupid.
heres just a few examples:

"How the F * * K does the antenna come out!?"
"how to take out window moldings"
"interior panel painting"

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
WHAT THE HELL DO I USE TO DRILL A HOLE THROUGH THE CARBON FIBER HOOD TO USE HOOD PINS? IF I DRILL THROUGH IT, IS IT GOING TO MESS UP THE CARBON WEAVE, LIKE CRACK IT OR MAKE IT GO ALL OVER ....? DO I DRILL FROM BOTTOM UP OR TOP DOWN ALSO FROM THE HOOD? THANKS.

lets not forget the "custom vertical door hinges" pooch screw...

PLUS, YOU still beinig a noob would'nt know this butt cracks history on here. that being said, you offerd no more help to shitbird in your post than i did in mine, so piss off and go defend someone who deserves it! and your right, that question does have many answers...ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWRED BEFORE!!!!!!!!!

and trust me, when a NoOb can piss Dino off enough (which he did) to compell Dino to reply to a noobs dumbass questions, thats takes talent of the non-brag-about kind!

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-28-04 10:03 AM
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#75612, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 8

wow, im impressed!

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EclipseRST	Aug-28-04 10:26 AM
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#75613, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 8

Originally posted by tim97rs

Originally posted by TXTurboGS Why the hostile answer? Come on, if you are not going to help, then dont say anything. I think this question has many answers, not just one.

because this guy is arguably the dumbest nugget of shit i have seen on this board in a long while! he has 501 posts most of which are asking how things are done, which is not a problem until you realize its ALL been asked answered and discussed a million times before, and he just keeps coming back with more stupid questions. not to mention he asks the same questions over and over again in multiple posts.... i have no respect for anyone who cant at least do some elemetery self-education before asking questions... even if they are stupid. heres just a few examples: "How the F * * K does the antenna come out!?" "how to take out window moldings" "interior panel painting"

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST WHAT THE HELL DO I USE TO DRILL A HOLE THROUGH THE CARBON FIBER HOOD TO USE HOOD PINS? IF I DRILL THROUGH IT, IS IT GOING TO MESS UP THE CARBON WEAVE, LIKE CRACK IT OR MAKE IT GO ALL OVER ....? DO I DRILL FROM BOTTOM UP OR TOP DOWN ALSO FROM THE HOOD? THANKS.

lets not forget the "custom vertical door hinges" pooch screw... PLUS, YOU still beinig a noob would'nt know this butt cracks history on here. that being said, you offerd no more help to shitbird in your post than i did in mine, so piss off and go defend someone who deserves it! and your right, that question does have many answers...ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWRED BEFORE!!!!!!!!! and trust me, when a NoOb can piss Dino off enough (which he did) to compell Dino to reply to a noobs dumbass questions, thats takes talent of the non-brag-about kind!

Yet +2 of his rep points are from you.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-28-04 10:44 AM
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#75614, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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okay how about we actually try to help me here instead of talking a bunch of crap okay please, lol. ive tried searching and didnt find anything on a actual setup i could go with. if someone can tell me what put in for the search, i will do so insetad of wasting your time fella's. help me please, lol.

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tim97rs	Aug-28-04 12:41 PM
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#75615, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Aug-28-04 12:48 PM by tim97rs

Originally posted by EclipseRST
Yet +2 of his rep points are from you.

which is why im even more peaved by this guy, i believed in him and supported him in the beginning. see... i can be nice...

till i get burned!!!

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRSTokay how about we actually try to help me here instead of talking a bunch of crap okay please, lol. ive tried searching and didnt find anything on a actual setup i could go with. if someone can tell me what put in for the search, i will do so insetad of wasting your time fella's. help me please, lol.

because i already told you once how to use the search function a long time ago. one last time in attempt to avoid more assinine questions.

use "advanced search" function. type in "xxxx" and select what forum you want to look in, then select "subject and messege" and hit the "search now".
i put in FMU and got 298 results, SFMU got me 209! "injector size" got me 560 results!!!!!!!!!!i guarentee you will find your fuel answers in one of them.

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DarKReaLity	Aug-28-04 01:39 PM
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#75620, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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since you're lazy read this...this will help you understand a bit.
http://www.2gnt.com/www/corbin/example.html

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TXTurboGS	Aug-28-04 08:03 PM
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#75633, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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A lot of the questions that are being asked here are already answered, so what? We might as well just shut the hell up and let everyone search and just not post anything but new shit.

Seriously, this attitude sucks! Even if he asked shity questions before. This is a very valid question. I have researched a ton on this subject and still I have yet to find a simple answer.

I mean, I was pushing 17 psi on 440cc injectors on 91 octane with a good AF ration (those injectors were damaged and later they gave up). So I email HRC and I get that I can ONLY push 15psi with their standar setup, which is 235cc primaries and 500cc secondaries!! I was like WTF! I thought that with that ammount of fuel I could be pushing over 20 psi and no timing retardation and on 91 octane.

See what I mean? But I am sure some people will disagree with Bill, or not.

Anyway, here is what I know.

If you have an SFMU use the largest disk with the hardest spring (again, people will disagree with this) if you have 440cc injectors. Dont go above 15psi just to be safe. Set your idle FP at 22. These figures I got from other people, do search a bit, it never hurts to get a second opinion.

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CarbonFiberRST	Aug-28-04 10:48 PM
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#75634, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by TXTurboGS
A lot of the questions that are being asked here are already answered, so what? We might as well just shut the hell up and let everyone search and just not post anything but new shit. Seriously, this attitude sucks! Even if he asked shity questions before. This is a very valid question. I have researched a ton on this subject and still I have yet to find a simple answer. I mean, I was pushing 17 psi on 440cc injectors on 91 octane with a good AF ration (those injectors were damaged and later they gave up). So I email HRC and I get that I can ONLY push 15psi with their standar setup, which is 235cc primaries and 500cc secondaries!! I was like WTF! I thought that with that ammount of fuel I could be pushing over 20 psi and no timing retardation and on 91 octane. See what I mean? But I am sure some people will disagree with Bill, or not. Anyway, here is what I know. If you have an SFMU use the largest disk with the hardest spring (again, people will disagree with this) if you have 440cc injectors. Dont go above 15psi just to be safe. Set your idle FP at 22. These figures I got from other people, do search a bit, it never hurts to get a second opinion.

He said he has an FMU not an SFMU nice try though.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 04:40 AM
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#75638, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Ya I am trying to use a FMU that I have, not an SMFU. I was told I could use 440cc injectors for up to 16psi with a 8:1 disk for the FMU. Then teh guy told me I could use an safc and keep all the settings at zero and just lean it out or whatever at idle so I will have a steady and not shitty idle. I want to work with this FMU I have. any suggestions?

I serached through like 40 pages and didnt find any actual answers of what setup anyone is using with the FMU. I found a couple for using an SFMU but I dont have that. More or less of the posts I read were unasnwered questions like I have!

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tim97rs	Aug-29-04 06:19 AM
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#75640, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
I serached through like 40 pages and didnt find any actual answers of what setup anyone is using with the FMU.

well, this time i wont be a dick to you, but realisticly, you probably didnt find any answers because what your trying to do is out-dated and no one is really using an FMU. Honestly, you shoud really think about doing it right the first time around. Dont fuck with an FMU, at the very least get the SFMU.
no one is using just an FMU anymore, een with an SAFC...

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Avenger	Aug-29-04 06:43 AM
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#75644, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by tim97rs

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST I serached through like 40 pages and didnt find any actual answers of what setup anyone is using with the FMU.

well, this time i wont be a dick to you, but realisticly, you probably didnt find any answers because what your trying to do is out-dated and no one is really using an FMU. Honestly, you shoud really think about doing it right the first time around. Dont fuck with an FMU, at the very least get the SFMU. no one is using just an FMU anymore, een with an SAFC...

I swear you people just don't know crap. This proliferation of bad information is stupid around here. First ... there are PLENTY of people running a FMU and an AFC (er ... me being one of them and I make/made more power than 90% of the board). The adding of larger injectors and adding an AFC was the natural progression of all Star kit users because they all came with just an FMU and didn't require replacing the stock FPR. To maintain that system with redesigning the whole fuel system to add larger injectors people began to use the AFC and a different disc in the FMU. The AFC would be used to alter the MAP signal to show more vacuum at cruising so that the ECU would translate that to cell in the fuel table that would provide the correct amount of fuel. Does it throw off load calculations, yes. Which is why you want to make sure that at WOT and open loop that the adjustments are closer to 0. Some people though actually want adjustment in the hi-throttle map of the AFC so that the ECU would advance timing based on the new MAP value but that's risky on a stock motor.

I've helped do the FMU/AFC combo on 3 cars and at one point EVERY 2gNT with a Star kit in Texas was running this setup and all of them made GOOD power with it (over 300whp).

I'm amazed that all of you people swear off on the SFMU like it's freaking the best solution. BOTH setups have their own set of pros and cons and I'll list them both.

Stock FPR, FMU, AFC, Larger Injectors - Pretty much what I said in the first paragraph. Pros are that is is fairly easy to install, if you don't have a return line you don't have to make one to use this. It does require some knowledge on how everything works though. You can do adjustments in the car instead of stopping, jumping out and fiddling with the bleed screw on the SFMU. Cons are that it does screw witht the load calculations the ECU does. Some people like it and some people hate it because it advances timing.

SFMU and larger injectors - Nothing wrong with the setup but it really came about as the next logical step for HRC turbo kit users that wanted to replaced the Craptech. If you have an HRC setup this is an easy deal to replace the craptech and pop the SFMU in. If you have a Star kit on a 96+ then you have to run and return, bypass the stock FPR, blah blah blah. Pros - allows you to run larger injectors by lowering the FP. It's 1 unit so you don't have multiple things floating around. Cons - You run very low stock FP with larger injectors. It is a FACT that injectors were NOT designed to see that low of fuel pressure. This minimum fuel pressure requirement varies by injector manufacturer. The lower the FP the worse fuel spray patterns and fuel atomization is. Just because everyone does it now doesn't mean it's the RIGHT way to do it (as everyone's opinion on the FMU setup though it was the way to go 2 years ago).

There I'm done venting. For the guy that orginally posted ... go to RC Engineerings website. Work through their fuel calculations on their tech page and determine what full boost FP you want. Add the amount of boost that you will be running to that number (have to match pressure behind the injector to pressure in front of it). Subtract that stock FP from that number. Then divide by the amount of boost pressure you are planning to run. That is the rise rate you want out of your FMU. You will need the AFC to make things play nice at cruise and idle.

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Avenger	Aug-29-04 06:57 AM
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#75647, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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I should also add that both of these setups are FAR FROM the ideal fuel setup but the ideal setup doesn't exist unless you are full standalone. Next closest thing is the 8-injector setup. But they do what they were designed to which is make sure the engine gets the close to the right amount of fuel when it needs it.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 11:22 AM
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#75652, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 19

thanks for the indepth answer evenger, that helps! um, could you tell me what disk i will need to use tho for the fmu or should i keep the one thats in there?
thanks soo much guys

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 11:41 AM
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#75653, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 20

correction ... thanks for the indepth answer Avenger, lol.
anyway, im trying the forumlas on the rc page trying to figure out what size injects i will need ... now the question is, how much hp do u think im going to have at 14-16psi on this setup ...

JE pistons .020 over
eagle h-beam rods
standard rod/main bearings
melling oil pump
star stage 2 turbo kit
obx intake manny
obx fuel rail
crane #14 turbo cams
aem cam gears all set at 0 right now
afx u/d pulley
hmm i think thats it, maybe i missed a thing or 2 but nuttin major ...
whats the estimated hp on that setup you think on 14-16 psi ????

thanks!!!

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DarKReaLity	Aug-29-04 12:27 PM
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#75654, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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14-16psi, is about 265-300WHP, it varies in depending what supporting mods you have, what temps, and A/f ratio. a T3/T4E flows pretty good, so i'd say that's an estimate. so i guess in your formula, i would plug in 330chp for your base hp. and don't go with 8:1 disk for your 440's, use a 4:1. 8:1 is too much. you'll max out your injectors and you're gonna be too rich. trust me, i used to have it, and with 370cc's and 4:1 disk at 13psi i was still real rich, i was getting 1.02V on my a/f meter which is above 10:1 a/f. so trust me take my advice for now.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 12:36 PM
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#75655, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 22

so im probably going to end up getting some 440cc injectors, 4:1 disk for my fmu and using my safc finally?
just my sake, was the guy right who told me keep all the settings at zero on the safc and just adjust the idle so i can have a nice smooth idle??

btw, you know any websites where i can find disks for teh fmu?

thanks again!

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DarKReaLity	Aug-29-04 12:55 PM
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#75658, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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yeah that's correct, but make sure you have had your computer resetted before doing anything, let the car warm up on it's own till it fully warms up and engine idles kinda smooth. then begin adjusting afterwards. i really don't want to get too detail with the tunning 'cause it gives me a headache just thinking about it. goodluck with it.

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Avenger	Aug-29-04 01:25 PM
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#75659, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by DarKReaLity
yeah that's correct, but make sure you have had your computer resetted before doing anything, let the car warm up on it's own till it fully warms up and engine idles kinda smooth. then begin adjusting afterwards. i really don't want to get too detail with the tunning 'cause it gives me a headache just thinking about it. goodluck with it.

Uh NO! Automatically take at least 20-30% out on lo throttle at 1k. If you start the motor with no adjustments on the lo-throttle of the AFC you will flood the motor PERIOD! It will idle (if it even idles) like crap. You will probably have to keep your foot on the gas to make sure it doesn't die. You can't wait for it to warm up. By that time you'll have dumped almost twice the amount of fuel necessary! Just think about it for a second and this is PAINFULLY obvious. Quite possible fouling the plugs and burning out the front o2.

This is what you should do. Adjust lo-throttle to -25% across the board. Every RPM range. Leave hi-throttle alone. 0's across the board. Get a datalogger. Start the car ... it will probably run rough. Take a little more fuel out of the 1k rpm lo-throttle point. Keep doing so until it idles ok. Now take the logger and start monitoring STFT and LTFT. The ECU allows for +-25% for both values. Keep mucking with the settings so that the STFT isn't close to either boundaries and the LTFT is close to 0. This will need to be done after warm up. Then take it for a 0 boost spin around the block. Again watch STFT and LTFT. Apply changes to RPM ranges where too rich. After that is all settled then go for boost. You will most likely be rich across the RPM band. Monitor and then adjust hi-throttle setting accordingly. Narrowband o2 is very inaccurate so a WBo2 is preferrable. If you are using a NBo2 then tune it rich. You want to leave the hi-throttle close to 0 at the top end because you don't want to muck with timing that much.

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DarKReaLity	Aug-29-04 04:12 PM
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#75669, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by Avenger

Originally posted by DarKReaLity yeah that's correct, but make sure you have had your computer resetted before doing anything, let the car warm up on it's own till it fully warms up and engine idles kinda smooth. then begin adjusting afterwards. i really don't want to get too detail with the tunning 'cause it gives me a headache just thinking about it. goodluck with it.

Uh NO! Automatically take at least 20-30% out on lo throttle at 1k. If you start the motor with no adjustments on the lo-throttle of the AFC you will flood the motor PERIOD! It will idle (if it even idles) like crap. You will probably have to keep your foot on the gas to make sure it doesn't die. You can't wait for it to warm up. By that time you'll have dumped almost twice the amount of fuel necessary! Just think about it for a second and this is PAINFULLY obvious. Quite possible fouling the plugs and burning out the front o2. This is what you should do. Adjust lo-throttle to -25% across the board. Every RPM range. Leave hi-throttle alone. 0's across the board. Get a datalogger. Start the car ... it will probably run rough. Take a little more fuel out of the 1k rpm lo-throttle point. Keep doing so until it idles ok. Now take the logger and start monitoring STFT and LTFT. The ECU allows for +-25% for both values. Keep mucking with the settings so that the STFT isn't close to either boundaries and the LTFT is close to 0. This will need to be done after warm up. Then take it for a 0 boost spin around the block. Again watch STFT and LTFT. Apply changes to RPM ranges where too rich. After that is all settled then go for boost. You will most likely be rich across the RPM band. Monitor and then adjust hi-throttle setting accordingly. Narrowband o2 is very inaccurate so a WBo2 is preferrable. If you are using a NBo2 then tune it rich. You want to leave the hi-throttle close to 0 at the top end because you don't want to muck with timing that much.

oh boy i never thought i had to re-discuss with this...but i'm speaking of experience. it doesn't flood your engine, you're not putting much load on idle, you have to let the ECU learn the stock base settings and it will adjust on it's own on idle. yes it will run rich, but not SO rich that your engine dies. the engine will not stall, i've had this setup before and i still was able to idle smoothly after warm up. i agree with tunning it the way you metioned with the datalogger, but that idle adjustment has to be done or the ECU thinks that -20% on 1k is 0 stock reading and the ECU will not adjust correctly. the whole graph will be -20% off.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 01:25 PM
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#75660, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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welp, 440cc injectors it is, 4:1 disk for FMU and finally get to use my s-afc! um my car has been sitting for like 2 months and cant i reset the ecu just by disconnecting the pos terminal on the batttery for 12 seconds?
and your saying, after i get this whole big mess in and ready to start, start it up, and let it idle (even if its shitty) until the engine is warm, then start fucking with the safc?? in the near couple months, im sure you gonna see some posts by me asking how to tune that damn thing cuz im not too sure of what im gonna have to ya know.

anywho, anyone know where i can find the disks for the FMU, any sites or anything, i found sites that sell just the FMU but didnt see any disks by themselves.

thanks for helping me decide on the fuel setup and NOW when someone searches askign teh same question i was, they CAN FIND IT! lol.

anyone know these above answers ..... ??

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Avenger	Aug-29-04 01:27 PM
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#75661, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Read above reply. Throughly think about all the advice you are given before accepting it as good advice.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-29-04 01:51 PM
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#75662, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 27

besides the tuning correction you gave me avenger, how does using 440cc injectors and 4:1 disk for the FMU sound to you (+ the safc obviously) ????

thanks for the advice!

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djtrickee	Aug-29-04 04:56 PM
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#75672, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
besides the tuning correction you gave me avenger, how does using 440cc injectors and 4:1 disk for the FMU sound to you (+ the safc obviously) ???? thanks for the advice!

Please stop asking the same question over and over in every reply. It has been answered in the previous 16 posts by both of them.

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tim97rs	Aug-29-04 08:20 PM
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#75681, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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i rest my case...

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-30-04 01:46 AM
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#75682, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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one person has fucking answered it. darkreality said to use the 4:1 and he said some other tips for me, then avenger came and said something different and never actually said to use the 4:1 disk. I asked it again specifically to avenger since he said he used the FMU, safc and bigger injectors before instead of the SMFU and what not. if you cant help out, then just dont reply. couldnt you notice that last reply from me was specifically for avenger since he used this setup before??
thanks everyone for your advice and tips ...
avenger, what do you think ....

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Avenger	Aug-30-04 03:50 AM
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#75683, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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I'm not telling you what disk to use because YOU need to figure it out. It does you no good if I tell you what disk to use and you don't understand why you're using that disk. You have all the information in this thread to figure out the necessary rise rate for your application. Like I said previously, take your HP estimates, your injector size, plug them into the equations on RC engineering's site and calculate your desired FP under full boost. Then add the amount of full boost that you will be running to that number. Then subtract your stock FP and divide by the amount of boost. That will tell you the proper rise rate that you will need.

The only reason I got involved in this thread is because everyone in this thread was propagating bad information. Going on about FMU suck and SFMU is so good. Blah blah. There is already enough people running around here that don't understand half the things they do or how things work.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-30-04 03:11 PM
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#75693, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 33

2 things:

-what is the stock FP?

-i dont see anything on RC's site to find my desired FP under boost. um, so which equation do I use for that?

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tim97rs	Aug-30-04 06:24 PM
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#75705, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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OMG.....

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-31-04 08:38 AM
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#75722, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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......?

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Michael_97RS	Aug-31-04 08:46 AM
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#75723, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by Avenger
I'm not telling you what disk to use because YOU need to figure it out. It does you no good if I tell you what disk to use and you don't understand why you're using that disk. You have all the information in this thread to figure out the necessary rise rate for your application. Like I said previously, take your HP estimates, your injector size, plug them into the equations on RC engineering's site and calculate your desired FP under full boost. Then add the amount of full boost that you will be running to that number. Then subtract your stock FP and divide by the amount of boost. That will tell you the proper rise rate that you will need. The only reason I got involved in this thread is because everyone in this thread was propagating bad information. Going on about FMU suck and SFMU is so good. Blah blah. There is already enough people running around here that don't understand half the things they do or how things work.

No ones car runs exactly the same. You need to adjust it, you need to run the numbers so you know why you are doing what you are doing. There is no cookie cutter answer on how to tune a car. There are so many variables to concider. Hell A guy down close to sea level is going to have a vastly different fuel curve than somebody up in the mountains. That's just one example of the variable that effect it. Just car to car differences are enough.

If you don't want to put the time into learning how to tune and why you are doing what you are doing, I'd suggest taking the car to a dyno shop with turbo experience and let them tune it.

There's plenty of people here that will try to help you, but I don't think anybody should spoon feed an incorrect answer for your conditions. What works for somebody may have you running too lean or too rich.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-31-04 09:32 AM
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#75725, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Ya I understand that, all i did above was ask what the stock FP is. lol

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Avenger	Aug-31-04 09:43 AM
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#75726, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Ya I understand that, all i did above was ask what the stock FP is. lol

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
2 things: -what is the stock FP? -i dont see anything on RC's site to find my desired FP under boost. um, so which equation do I use for that?

You guys are giving me a freaking headache! RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!!

1. Look up the stock FP. FSM, Chiltons, whatever ... they should have it. Worse come to worse ... stick a FP gauge on it and LOOK. It's been spouted off on this site more times than I can remember and I know I've posted it at least twice.

2. It's on their tech page. It's not some nice x+y=Z formula. The equations are on their page that you need to solve the problem. You will have to do some transformations so that you can actually solve for the value you are looking for. The information is there. Keep reading it and you'll figure it out (I hope). These are your knowns : estimated HP; stock FP; injector size; # of cylinders.

If you people (***notice I'm not just talking to one person***) never learn how to figure this part of it out, how do you expect to tune your car later, troubleshoot problems that occur, and expect to be able to push the limits. If you just want something you can be dumb with buy a portfueler. HRC makes the fuel maps for you that are very safe. It's almost idiot proof. If you want to push the limits, tread on that fine line of best performance then learn how things work, figure out problems on your own, be willing to ginuea pig you and your car to figure out why things behave the way they behave.

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eclipse982nrRST	Aug-31-04 03:19 PM
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#75751, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 39

okay but where can i find FMU disks online???
i searched the web but can only find actual fmu's and not separate disks .....wheres a site i can find em at ???

thanks again!

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tim97rs	Aug-31-04 04:40 PM
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#75759, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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you are the most incapable, feable-minded imbicile that i have ever seen on this sight! you win the prize, you are officialy the dumbest shitpole ever to post here!!!!
Jesus Christ dude, can you do anything for yourself? do you even know how to wipe your own ass or do you have to go on-line and ask where to get ass paper from?

Seriously... your a waste of oxygen and bandwidth. Do us ALL a favor and stop posting on 2gnt.com. you really have nothing to contribute here, unless its broke-ass honda ghetto-rigged lambo door kits!!!

also, stop doing anything remotely related to tuboing, (you give us a bad name) sell your eclipse, buy a peddle bike or one of those little self powered scootes, somethinig that you CAN figure out what the fuck to do with, and then promptly flush yourself down a toilette. you have no use for 2gnt.com, and we have no use for you! now go away...

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Avenger	Aug-31-04 04:45 PM
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#75760, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
okay but where can i find FMU disks online??? i searched the web but can only find actual fmu's and not separate disks .....wheres a site i can find em at ??? thanks again!

Seriously?! That's the biggest load of BS. Did you try actually looking?! It's kinda freaking odd ... you can buy them directly off of Vortech's damn website!
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/fuel/fuel_fmu.html

Hello? You could always to the baffling complex thing as ... get the part number off of vortech's website and put it into either Summit or Jeg's manufacturer part catalog search. They come up real fast and ship in 1 day. Would you look at that?
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=100&Ntk=PartSearch&Ntt=VOR-6Z170*

Took all of 2 minutes of using my head.

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eclipse982nrRST	Sep-01-04 01:14 PM
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#75830, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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welp after all of this, after talking to a couple of turbo 2gnt'rs, i think im going to switch like everyone said to using 440cc injectors and a sfmu and NO safc. i will just be using the walbro 255 intank fuel pump that the star kit came with instead of using the inline. we'll see how this works! thanks for all teh info guys, i appreciate! except for tim's cuz he likes to fuck with me and talk shit, and he cant even spell TURBO .........

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TXTurboGS	Sep-01-04 01:19 PM
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#75832, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Man, use the SFAC also. It should help fine tune along with the SFMU.

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turbo8u	Sep-01-04 02:03 PM
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#75846, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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aaaaaaaahahahahahaha, tim...you're the man

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eclipse982nrRST	Sep-01-04 02:15 PM
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#75850, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 45

safc???? what for if im using the sfmu ....?
obivously to help tune it but the sfmu should be better

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tim97rs	Sep-01-04 02:32 PM
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#75854, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 02:37 PM by tim97rs

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tim97rs	Sep-01-04 02:33 PM
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#75855, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 02:37 PM by tim97rs

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MR BLUNT 2gnt	Sep-01-04 02:28 PM
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#75852, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Thanks to all for the headache that i now have for reading this crap. Besides the good technical knowledge that thura tossed out I feel a little dumber for reading this. Dude, one word for ya, GOOGLE. If you can't find shit with google you are more of an ass than you come off to be. You really should try searching before you spout off this stuff, if you can't learn by using the search feature you should sell your car before you waste your money. Thank god you didnt try going on NABR, they would make you cry.

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tim97rs	Sep-01-04 02:11 PM
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#75849, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 02:14 PM by tim97rs

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
welp after all of this, after talking to a couple of turbo 2gnt'rs, i think im going to switch like everyone said to using 440cc injectors and a sfmu and NO safc. i will just be using the walbro 255 intank fuel pump that the star kit came with instead of using the inline. we'll see how this works! thanks for all teh info guys, i appreciate! except for tim's cuz he likes to fuck with me and talk shit, and he cant even spell TURBO .........

until you need to come back and ask "how do i install a fuel pump", promptly followed by "which disc and spring on the SFMU do i need", finishing up with " what fuel pressure do i need with 440's and how do i adjust the boost screw..."!!!

because theres NO WAY you can do any of this shit on your own without someone holding your hand and spoon feeding your retard ass!

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tim97rs	Sep-01-04 02:33 PM
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#75856, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 02:37 PM by tim97rs

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tim97rs	Sep-01-04 02:36 PM
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#75857, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 02:38 PM by tim97rs

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
safc???? what for if im using the sfmu ....? obivously to help tune it but the sfmu should be better

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you just keep getting better and better! your stupidness knows no bounds!! just when i think you cant get any dumber... you prove me wrong!!!
WAIT!!!!!!! lemme guess, you DID a search on the SAFC and found nothing, right? No one on here has ever used it...right?

Please people, stop encouraging this kids impossible attepmts at tuning!! you will only cause him to get hurt.

I bet your dad is real proud of his little nancy playing cars...

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turbo8u	Sep-01-04 03:25 PM
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#75862, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by tim97rs
I bet your dad is real proud of his little nancy playing cars...

hahahaha! tim you're talkin so much shit its absolutely hilariously classic

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djtrickee	Sep-01-04 02:38 PM
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#75858, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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sigh... there's nothing left for me to say.

Tim, told ya so!!

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eclipse982nrRST	Sep-01-04 03:18 PM
Member since Mar 16th 2004 6314 posts,

#75861, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
In response to Reply # 53

you guys are fucking assholes, not doubt about it. i am sorry that i am not as smart as you on everything and have a tendency to ask questions that you dont like ... if you dont like them, dont fucking but in then damnit. so what if im not smart on things like these, im truly not that great with tuning and shit, well, kill me for trying to ask and understand this stuff for once, and trying something so i dont blow something the fuck up. you guys need to have some respect for people who arent as smart as you for gods sake, seriously. ive seen way way more retarded questions that i have asked, go pick on those people too fuckers, damn. excuse me for trying to learn and understand things around here .......

thanks to all who did help though, greatly appreciated!

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DarKReaLity	Sep-01-04 05:31 PM
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#75869, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-01-04 05:31 PM by DarKReaLity

look man just to help you understand all this, buy this book: if our advice is tough to understand, read this and read it again, when you're done then read it again. don't come to us anymore.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0837601606.02.LZZZZZZZ

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eclipse982nrRST	Sep-02-04 01:12 AM
Member since Mar 16th 2004 6314 posts,

#75880, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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i only come and post when locals around me cant help me ... none of them have a 2gnt with a turbo tho, they are either just n/a or factory crankwalkers. thanks, and i will buy that book to help me out. thanks for all the info and help to those who did help!

thanks again!

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Dave41079	Sep-02-04 01:57 AM
Member since Jul 30th 2002 485 posts,

#75881, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
i only come and post when locals around me cant help me ... none of them have a 2gnt with a turbo tho, they are either just n/a or factory crankwalkers. thanks, and i will buy that book to help me out. thanks for all the info and help to those who did help! thanks again!

Engines are engines. They all require the same things to work. Spark, fuel, air, in the right mixture. They're no real mystery. There are no super top sekrit things to make them work better. Educate yourself. Read, look information up. For crying out loud you have the best tool for finding information RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. I stopped reading this thread 3 pages ago when it had been answered for you numerous times already. MOVE ON. Stop throwing all this money into your car. I mean that list of parts is well over $2000. If you're throwing cash around like that and you can't even work an AFC, you deserve to get blasted. To use Tim's title, just take your car to a shop and let them tune it for you since you're just throwing money at it with no clue of what you're doing anyways you Nancy. Maybe it's just me, but I cannot fathom how you would spend $5000+ in aftermarket parts on your car, and have over 500 posts on this site, and still know dick about it.

Lets just say this... I'm over 100whp and soon to cross 200whp. Thanx 2GNT! Now if I could only learn to prove it.

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eclipse982nrRST	Sep-02-04 03:02 AM
Member since Mar 16th 2004 6314 posts,

#75882, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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i know alot about it, just not in this situation or some other situations. big deal, like everyone knows every single things. i see posts by tim and other ppl who rag on me here asking questions, you dont see me telling them to search or whatever. i mean, guys chill out, i didnt know the answer to something(s) and i was trying to get one and learn off of it, wow! im going to get that book to help me better understand things. god forbid i asked something though. plus, there are absolutely no places in my town or even near me to tune it, the closest dyno is like 5 hours away. there is nothing here and i mean nothing. thats why i am trying to learn and understand things myself. and about the safc, i am sure everyone who has one, just wried it up and started tuning it like they knew everything perfectly and how to work with it. i have seen MULTIPLE posts asking how to work/tune it. if your going to rag on me, rag on everyone else too who posts things like these .....
thanks for the time and effort though on helping me, and the info you guys gave me.
thanks again guys!

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tim97rs	Sep-02-04 07:01 AM
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#75911, "RE: How much fuel do I need to push 14-16psi??"
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Sep-02-04 07:05 AM by tim97rs

dude, just drop it. You are so sadly pathetic. you are just flat out stupid. face it! its the facts. even those who DID try to help you, now see how stupid you are. you OBVIOUSLY cant use the search function because you keep asking questions that are the most basic and WIDELY covered topics on this sight, you keep trying to defend your painfully blatent stupididty by saying your "just trying to learn by asking questions" yet you dont learn because you keep asking them over and over again. Your not teachable.

go buy the book take a month or two off from your car, read the book, have your daddy help you with the big words, and learn how to use the search function. By saying you "looked" for any of the questions you've asked only concretes the bottomless depth of your stupidity because for those of us who have been here as long as we have, knows the answers are there. you just need to read (maybe a lot) and stop expecting this shit to be handed to you on a silver platter.

dont think that i wont keep fucking with you. i will fuck with you in every post that you do until you learn how to use the search function, stop asking 2nd grade questions, learn from the answers you are given, and obtain an fundimental understanding of turboing and tuning.

now go away, you dont want your daddy to find you in that dress you little nancy!
i am done with you in this post... (only this one)

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