Started my own manifold this afternoon.

Here we sit as of now...

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Nice!

Good job

Looks good! keep us updated

Thanks guys.

It may look plain, well, because it is. I just wanted a long runner, header design manifold.

Nothing crazy here, just something that will flow nicely.

-MIKE-

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I need to make me one, or have one made..

97 Eclipse GS, 2.2 stroker,Gt35R,MSNS,E85 @20psi. 450hp 370tq..With issues

looks a lil like corbins design from what i see now, but I like the long runner design. very nice

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Outside of Corona: "That sucks, peace out..." (jamie walks away)... "Sweeet, what we doin?" -Zac
Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

Lookin good mike! While your fabbing things up think about a heat sheild around your power stearing pump or you'll end up like I did... apparently the fluid likes to boil when the runners are that close and next thing you know your ripping the whole damn system out cuz the pump is fried...


Oh, and I threw on of these on my starter also:

http://www.jegs.com/p/Thermo+Tec/744857/10002/-1

I had some heat soak issues at first with that also. It sucks when you run to the gas station for a soda then get stuck there for 20 min with your hood open and fans on cuz everything under the hood is slowly being broiled... Of course anyone on here that has built their own turbo mani will probably agree with me when I say that chrysler put the starter in a "wonderful" spot...

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

-MIKE-

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my take.....leave 3-4 the way they are. take 1-2 under 3-4 above the starter and tight 90 them down to where you plan on merging them. do it creatively and they will still be equal length.

How big is the piping?

Car Status: P0140 o2 circuit number bank 1 sensor 2 Cel. Ill fix it tomorow lol.

Estimated mileage on engine: 15,xxx

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Here is the latest, a little different now. As long as the hood will shut with the turbo mounted, this is what I am going with. I will bring the turbo home from work tomorrow and see what happens.

-MIKE-

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That wont fit...... you need to get the flange 5" lower or do a custom hood. Not equal length either which i can see wasnt your goal anyway.

Now you see why mine is so twisted to get the runners all 16"

I like it!

Agree with Terry though, dont think its gonna fit

So how is this coming along??

97 Eclipse GS, 2.2 stroker,Gt35R,MSNS,E85 @20psi. 450hp 370tq..With issues

-MIKE-

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Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Looks awesome man!

Glad you got it all worked out!

I think with you merging all 4 into 1, you really should consider making the runners equal length, but you know more than I.

patience pays off. good job mike

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Outside of Corona: "That sucks, peace out..." (jamie walks away)... "Sweeet, what we doin?" -Zac
Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

Got my 2" elbow today from UPS and finished the manifold. Checked hood clearance and I have a good 3 inches. I will be sending the manifold to Mark this weekend to get TIG'd





Looking down through the hood -





Turbo sitting on the manifold, turbo is not bolted down and obviously not how the compressor will be angled...

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Not bad design.

You need to spend more time getting those cuts to line up properly. You are making the welding even more of a pain in the ass with poor fitment. Gap filling is not really an option with a TIG. The fitment makes you look like a hack.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Judging by that picture you have a couple big gaps, dont piss on my back and tell me its raining. I am not saying filling the voids cant be done but your making a ton of work on the welder because your being lazy.

Got a game plan for the downpipe?

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

-MIKE-

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2 Fingers of Scotch with a milk back... Stat!

I forgot Mike, my mistake. You know a lot more about welding and crafsman ship than any of us. Its all easy to do, we are just idiots for thinking it tkaes more time and finesse.

Maybe you should learn to TIG or weld for that matter before you tell me whats "just as easy."

EDIT:

Nevermind.

-MIKE-

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hilarious

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Outside of Corona: "That sucks, peace out..." (jamie walks away)... "Sweeet, what we doin?" -Zac
Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

When I had AMM come over and quote me on welding the new core support onto the front of my Galant, he took one look at the gaps I had (which were all less than 1/8") and he told me there was no way he would tig those joints like that. AMM, as anyone here who's seen his work will tell you, is a fucking artist when it comes to tig. We ended up plating over these imperfections on the Galant. In some places, the plates were slipped behind one piece and over the other to provide a flush surface with no gaps to be tigged. He actually forgot the welding rod and we used three wire coat hangers I had in the house to finally weld it all together.

Gaps =

EDIT: Link to pictures of AMM prepping and welding on 195. He wasn't happy with the quality of this project, but Captain Halfass told him it would be just fine for a spray painted car that will ultimately end up airborne in the desert before getting stuffed in a ditch.

http://www.dr1665.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1460

Nothing is left to be said.

-MIKE-

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Originally posted by DR1665
Gaps =

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96 Black ESi
91 Red TSI AWD (RIP)
02 WRX


"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"

Aerospace Certified TIG welder for Precision Castparts in Portland, OR.

JoshSpair.com

We are not saying it cant be done Josh, we are saying its not right to do it just because your lazy and it is making more work for the welder. what we are trying to say is that its wrong to make more work for the welding process than it is for a simple proper fit.

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96 Black ESi
91 Red TSI AWD (RIP)
02 WRX


"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"

Aerospace Certified TIG welder for Precision Castparts in Portland, OR.

JoshSpair.com

And what you guys failed to realize is that I said it would be fixed and it was fixed...

I am not trying to make a hard job on anyone and for sure I am not lazy at all.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

I just went back and read it, all you stated was the pipes you bend from sizing up the turbo would be bent back. There are gaps that were there long before you got the 2" elbow.

Ok, me being the welder I'm going to settle this....


Yes there are gaps, noted. But comming from someone who as far as I know has no experience in the feild of pipe fitting I think he did a pretty damn good job. I did his last manifold and there where gaps also, but when I welded it I made the necessary corrections. I will build a heavy duty jig, mostly made of 3/8" plate or thicker, that will hold and locate the flange locations as well as give support for the runners and keep them in the necessary locations. Then I break each runner free, weld off the collector, weld each runner, stress relieve it in an oven, then refit them to the head and collector. when it's all said and done there will no longer be any gaps, and the welds will be nice and purdy like they should be. A little more work? Not really, It's no different than when I build a "ram-horn" or a "top-mount" manifold for a B-series honda for somebody thats located in southern florida when I'm sitting on my ass drinkin a beer at my welding bench in mid-eastern wisconsin. Mike can't tig weld yet, but I'm sure he will be someday. If not then oh well. All of us here that have built our own manifolds know that fitment is the hardest part of the whole process, but we need to remember that everybody has to start somewhere. You never remember anything better than a big mistake. And the only way to get it right is to practice practice practice. Besides, its only a turbo manifold. If it was a 17,000 psi hydraulic line like the one I just patched up this morning then it would be a different story. But at least he's only in ohio, It's not like Vancouver B.C. where they take 3 days to x-ray your shit and send it back and I need to find something to do for the next two...



edit: I know most of you are probably messin wit mike and I'm expectin someone to give me shit about what I said. But when it comes to welding and fabrication I don't care to joke around- so this was mostly for future readers that someday dig this post out of the depths by way of the search button...

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Looks insane... Why dont you guys sell these things?

Hahn stage 2,
s20g,
FMIC,
Built bottom end,
Slowboy stage 3 head,
272's,
Full 3'' exhaust,
Some other random stuff,
10psi Through the auto tranny ridin on 19's.
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Mark, you seem to miss all of my points, everyone.

you have confirmed there are gaps when mike claims there are none. The gaps were large enough for you to feel obligated to correct them prior to welding. The gaps are there because Mike is in a hurry and lazy. Its not the tools, its not the experience, its lazy. Last i checked, a hack is someone who half asses a job for someone else to correct.

Had the gaps have been irrelevant, you would have just welded them with no thought.

Its no much the fact that Mike did this, its the fact he argued the fitment is find normal and there were only tiny gaps. Had he have just claimed he had a hrad time with it and couldnt seem to get it to fit right then the discussion would have ended before it started.

This is the very reason i wont let Mike paint my bike!

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

i wont be waxing your car in spring. recheck the rules of the bet and besides......you will get yourself banned by then.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

I have the perfect hand pad for buffing............you will supllying whatever manu you want, that is, if I wax it.


Its win win for me, i get to go skydiving in Ohio after 4 measly hours.

if i find out you had the shop alter the dyno setting to quarentee 400, i will not only wax the topside of your car but i will flip it over and wax the bottom.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

You didnt think I agreed to that bet because i wanted to hang out in Akron did you? The whole point was skydiving in Ohio at a different dropzone......

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

I really want to see where all of this will end...

I wish I had blown it, believe me, I do...

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

Mark has pretty much finished Tigging my manifold and he is sending it back to me today. If anyone ever needs some incredible awesome welding work done,send it to Mark! lol.

Here is a teaser pic that he sent me

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

Mark is a real saint for taking on the finish work on the manifold. You are encountering most of the same fitment issues that I dealt with. The engine bay gets really small when you start building a manifold like that. Where will the wastegate tie in to the manifold and will its dump tube tie in with the downpipe? Make sure you put a flange in the downpipe where it turns down next to the manifold. I skipped that on the first go-round and it was a major pain to install/remove the downpipe. Adding that flange was a huge help. If you tie the dump tube into the downpipe, a section of stainless "flexible exhaust pipe" can be used to make an expansion joint in the dump tube.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
Now with more power and fewer leaks



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Originally posted by Corbin
Mark is a real saint for taking on the finish work on the manifold. You are encountering most of the same fitment issues that I dealt with. The engine bay gets really small when you start building a manifold like that. Where will the wastegate tie in to the manifold and will its dump tube tie in with the downpipe? Make sure you put a flange in the downpipe where it turns down next to the manifold. I skipped that on the first go-round and it was a major pain to install/remove the downpipe. Adding that flange was a huge help. If you tie the dump tube into the downpipe, a section of stainless "flexible exhaust pipe" can be used to make an expansion joint in the dump tube. Corbin '95 ESI-T Now with more power and fewer leaks Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

-MIKE-

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