Ive heard all of these turbos are great. I am going to be buying a turbo for my car before summer comes so i need to start thinking off what i want. I want something that kicks in at low rpms 3000 rpms and lasts until redline. Which turbo would be better for achieving what i want. I also want around 400fwhp . Should i choose the fp green , fp red, or t3/t4 bb. Also which handles the best to mods and which one is the best for tuning. thanks in advance

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any particular reason

the Red will spool later on the same setup when compared to a Green. The T3/T4.. well, could be a weenie turbo or it could be a monster. T3/T4 is a generic term, not a complete description of a turbo.

The thing to ask first, do you want a Mitsu style manifold, or a Garrett style manifold? Decide from there.

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I would say Red but if you have a fwd car I would sit and think about it.



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what is the diff between the mitsu and garret manifolds... i want something that wont warp.

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last time i checked someone that obviously knows more than me asked me which one i wanted... since i dont know a whole lot , i believed that they made mitsu and garreett manifolds...

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03 SRT-4

which one is the fp green ? the fp3052 or the 3065? I want to start spooling at like 3 k rpms .

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this is the first time ive even thought about a forced performance turbo. I do not want a kit.. b/c hahn and star and a waste of money.. putting one together may be harder , but it will be cheaper. I have a couple months to decide , so i can learn what i need to learn .

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'95 Eclipse TurboGS (garage deco)
'95 TSi AWD (restoring a survivor)
'97 Talon ESi-T (poor impulse control)
'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
'13 Evo X (mostly stock)
'17 Sienna (Middle Aged Dad Mobile)



Factory Service Manuals: http://nawdu.de/files/

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

sucker MC

NO WAY you looking anywhere under $2500 with a FP turbo setup...lets see you WILL NEED (no way arround this one) their V band downpipe that adds >>>$425+ pluss you will need your custom manifold thats $400 dollars + fuel management....cheap fuel management WILL NOT SUFICE (SAFC+SFMU is just not right for this setup)...so its standalone which would be the best choice and that by itself is $1700+(for aem with 3 bar map) add gauges >>>$350(egt $130, boost$60, oil$60, a/f $100 guessing on a/f i dont use one)..upgraded injectors $200, upgraded fuel pump $125

Intercooler $1000 more + piping $200 (oh yah forgot intercooler)

ADD a fp turbo for $1200 dollars and what is the grand total?? (we still lacking peices btw..install peices like oil lines...can add 500 more in this and that)

im coming out on 5600 dollars...not including labour + dino tunning and Gremlings that you might encounter(which will cause dmg in the thousands sometimes) and many things i know i might have missed......

If you have to ask what is the diference between red and green....eeek i would do a LOT more research before even thinking on slaping on a turbo that big

ehhh nevermind

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on ebay there is a big intercooler from a 7.3L PSD.. I'm betting that'd be a good one on a 420a as long as it'd fit up front. i think the bidding is right at $200 right now.

Or heck. Why spend even 3200 on a turbo kit. You should get this EXTREME TURBO KIT for the 90-99 420a's and its good up to 500 horsepower!!!!That would be even better!http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33742&item=2464872156 .And then i bet if you put that 320 dollar exhuast on your car you would have 750whp....so you would smoke that Supra but you might want a park bench spoiler for the added downforce to keep your car on the road.

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i never said anything about a spoiler. spoilers are fucking gay.. and i know exhaust wouldnt be or add 100 hp.. and its 350 not 320

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there ya go. The car has gone through a couple changes. diff cams and cam gears . and some porting .


those dynos are at 16 psi . he is able to take the turbo up to 30 psi . waiting for him to post that dyno .

Where is the fuel management?>??

A turbo will not produce more power without the proper fuel management

500 hp IF you add good fuel management (a cheap standalone would be ok)

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good points mr dion.. but just so you know.. the supra is an I6

Umm ... a 2JZ supra making 700whp is about as common as 300whp eclipses. Dime a dozon ... if a 2JZ supra isn't making 900+ it can only mean two things ... 1. Still close to bone stock 2. Can't tune it.

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05 Mazda RX-8 (RR8 #88)
99 Eclipse RS 398whp & 372lb-ft

Originally posted by Breezio
good points mr dion.. but just so you know.. the supra is an I6

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I'm trying to figure out this arguement you guys are having.
Are you saying its impossible for him to get a custom setup for turbo less than the price of HRC or less than the price of Star?
I think if he shops around, he can prolly do all that he mentioned actually up to around 3200.
Thats including the 1200 FPGreen.
and prolly an afc or a megasquirt.

but this is just parts; no labor.

No offense, but it takes someone who knows a LOT about working on cars to know if someone else is actually intelligent or not. This supra guy might be a whiz at working on his Supra, but he could also be feeding you line after line of bullshit like 80% of the people I meet who "do their own work." But, assuming that he does know how to work on his Supra, that doesn't say much about turboing a 420A. This is why having someone else build you a turbo kit (especially someone who doesn't work on a 420A) is generally not a good idea. Although you MIGHT save some money, you are getting a one of a kind kit that has not been tested and has no customer support. If you were an experienced mechanic and could do all of your own work, I'd tell you to go build a custom kit yourself because you could pick and choose exactly what parts you want. However, being that you aren't an experienced mechanic, I'm telling you it's smarter to go with a kit that 1000's of others use every day. The extra money you spend will be worth the piece of mind that you get with a tried and true kit alone.

There's a good reason you're getting flamed in this thread. This same situation has come up again and again here with only a few people who were actually happy with their custom kits (and those people are the ones who built the kit themselves and already knew what they were doing). The best advise that people here will give you is to take your time, read up on what you're doing, buy a kit and install it yourself. If you don't want our advise, then why are you here?

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

he not only does work on his car , he has done ford probe , EAGLE TALON , rx-7 , his wifes gst , and many other cars.


Question is which talon?? esi or tsi?? it does make a WORLD of difference..some neat tricks for the tsi fuel management will not work with our setup

Interesting. I have a semi-custom turbo setup. I knew exactly what was going in the "kit", but I had someone else get them for me (was actually cheaper that way). I must say, there are some big advantages to a custom turbo system, however, there are also many big advantages to the Hahn or Star kits. The Hahn and Star kits are going to be much more refined overall. Fitment is going to be great, plus, you will get instructions. I feel that if you need instructions to put on a turbo kit, you probably ought not to be doing it anyway, but thats my own opinion. I'm not going to say you shouldn't do a custom setup. You could likely save a little money and put it towards some very important things (like gauges!). You'll also know exactly whats in your system, and why its there. However, you have made it clear that you don't know enough about turbo systems on the 420A engine to do this by yourself. If you need help, theres plenty of information here to get you moving right along. Read, Read, Read! Learn everything you can before you do this. Learn the fundamentals of turbochargers (start at www.howstuffworks.com) if you don't already fullly understand turbos.

First off, you don't need a turbo that can make enough boost for 6 or 800 horsepower. The spool time will suck, and there would be unrealized potential in the turbo. Mitsubishi 16G turbo's are great (Hahn uses them in the standard kit). I personally run .63 A/R T3 turbo. You're also going to want a good manifold (see Alain). You're going to need an intercooler, and you're going to need to fabricate piping for it (not easy). You're going to need a fuel system with no less than a high flow fuel pump (like the Walbro 255 drop-in), bigger injectors, and various fuel lines (very expensive). You'll also want a Vortech SFMU fuel pressure regulator. You'll need oil lines for the feed and return for the turbo. You'll need the special fitting for the oil sender (feed line for turbo oil).

As you can see, there are a lot of things here you'll need to figure out. Take your time, and spend money wisely. Best of luck.


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Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

i know what i need ... but thinks for partially backing me up on this one.

tsi and an esi i think.

omg this thread hurtz my eyes...IBTL