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DR1665	Nov-08-07 06:44 PM
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#28757, "A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."

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RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., eclipse982nrRST, Nov-09-07 02:45 AM, #2

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., DirtMegirt, Nov-09-07 03:42 AM, #3

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RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., eclipse_99rs, Nov-09-07 09:35 AM, #6

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., eclipse982nrRST, Nov-09-07 10:36 AM, #7

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., cc8balla, Nov-09-07 10:38 AM, #8

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., dsmtuner1, Nov-09-07 12:30 PM, #9

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., AMM, Nov-09-07 02:40 PM, #10

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RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., freelancefool, Nov-18-07 08:33 PM, #16

RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark., vegasdsmr, Nov-19-07 09:19 AM, #17

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bullettdsm	Nov-09-07 12:10 AM
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#28759, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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LOL!

Mike told me that I wouldn't miss that part you "helped with".

From the pics, she looks pretty hot. Just waiting for her to come in.

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eclipse982nrRST	Nov-09-07 02:45 AM
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#28761, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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what is that?

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DirtMegirt	Nov-09-07 03:42 AM
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#28765, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
what is that?

looks like a stock intake manifold, cut before the junction, with some sort of sheet metal pleneum welded to it? For better air velocity into the chambers? Mark or Driggs?

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bullettdsm	Nov-09-07 06:53 AM
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#28776, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Nov-09-07 06:57 AM by bullettdsm

Originally posted by DirtMegirt

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST what is that?

looks like a stock intake manifold, cut before the junction, with some sort of sheet metal pleneum welded to it? For better air velocity into the chambers? Mark or Driggs?

Very good, Dirt. You got it;

Intake mani that Mike (AMM)welded up for the red car. He does damn fine work.
We'll see how she does.

MB

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DarkOne	Nov-09-07 06:57 AM
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#28777, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Intake mani that Mike (AMM)welded up for the red car. He does damn fine work. We'll see how she does. MB

Mmm. Want.

What'd that run ya?

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eclipse_99rs	Nov-09-07 09:35 AM
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#28783, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Thats some nice work theeerr! Can you weld like that with a wire feed MIG?

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eclipse982nrRST	Nov-09-07 10:36 AM
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#28785, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by eclipse_99rs
Thats some nice work theeerr! Can you weld like that with a wire feed MIG?

Is it possible? Yes, I have seen VERY clean MIG welds before with aluminum.

That is a VERY nice manifold. I was coming up with a design last year when I made my exhaust manifold, and it was simular to that, kind of like the Fast Fab design.

I want one.

-MIKE-

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cc8balla	Nov-09-07 10:38 AM
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#28786, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by DarkOne
Mmm. Want.

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I contributed to the wiki!

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dsmtuner1	Nov-09-07 12:30 PM
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#28787, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Yes, we all want! If mark would hurry and get that thing and see what all has to be done in order to run the throttle cable and stuff, then Mike from neons.org might be willing to build more. Either way, I have looked at those pics 20 times and I still smile when I see those runners.

2 sets of injectors is better than 1 =)

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AMM	Nov-09-07 02:40 PM
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#28792, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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i dont think im alound to say this but i also do head and intake manifold porting! i have noproblem making more of these we just need to wait and see how everything goes on marks end.

AMM

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DR1665	Nov-11-07 07:18 AM
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#28814, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by AMM
i dont think im alound to say this but i also do head and intake manifold porting! i have noproblem making more of these we just need to wait and see how everything goes on marks end. AMM

You get slack here. No worries.

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bullettdsm	Nov-09-07 11:38 PM
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#28796, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by DarkOne
What'd that run ya?

Gotta talk to Mike on that one. I will say for the work, the price was extremely reasonable.

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mike_d	Nov-18-07 08:56 AM
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#29011, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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In for updates.

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bullettdsm	Nov-18-07 10:11 AM
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#29012, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Nov-18-07 10:11 AM by bullettdsm

Originally posted by mike_d
In for updates.

Damn, you been talking to Mike today? Lol, I JUST tried fitment today (my ADD kicked in while I was putting 450's onto the OBX intake) and Mike is the only one who knows.

I got some pics, but putfile is giving me a problem. I gotta get another host and then I'll post up.

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bullettdsm	Nov-18-07 11:12 AM
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#29013, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Nov-18-07 11:17 AM by bullettdsm

(First off, sorry for the large pictures. I used photobucket for the first time and they must have some large settings. Oops).

OK, so it did not look good:

I tried to get her to fit but the 2 studs on the head were getting in the way. Oddly enough there was no problem with clearance at the firewall, it was the heater hoses and other wire management that I had to get by. So I took one stud off the head with the double nut treatment;

and I was able to get her in;

Looks kinda funny all flat and shit! Don't worry about all the wires and hoses. I know I will need to manage those once it gets all back together. But as you can see it gets tight by the throttle body area.

So on goes the MP60mm;

That's gonna get messy and tight. Let's take a look at the intake area;

Yup that's tight and low. And that's with a 1/2 size Integra battery. So I took a look at it with my larger pipe ram air and my smaller AEM intake.

RAM AIR

AEM INTAKE (I know it's 90* off)

The larger intake (which I have to use) just won't make that area. You can see if I use the smaller pipe AEM, then it will fit.

So I will need to relocate my battery (I'm going to put it up front where my old stock airbox used to be).

As for the throttle cable, pretty simple and straight forward;

You can see that it reaches fine, and all I have to do is mark it, drill it and tap it. Very straight forward (did not do this yet because I don't have the tap and drill bit on me). But no problem there.

Now for the Coup de Gras. The injectors and rail. Think about what a pain in the ass it is to change these out with the C-shaped stocker. Not too much fun. BUT, with this intake, here's how I put the rail on;

TA DA! It's almost worth it for just this access. You can see at the top of the pic that I left the ratchet in place where the socket just goes straight through. Ahhhh, the ease of installation

Now this was just a fitment install. I haven't done a complete install yet. As a matter of fact, I put the OBX back on after I put the 450's in it. I will be taking that set-up to the dyno with my next "goody" installed first. That will be thanks to Mark P.

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freelancefool	Nov-18-07 08:33 PM
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#29036, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Posting to watch this thread. Mark that looks pretty damn nice. I can see why you have been pimping AMM on the forums now.

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vegasdsmr	Nov-19-07 09:19 AM
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#29055, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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NOICE!!!

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now: 20g, portfueler, bpu+++ (track/dyno times tbd...)

i farted on your wiki

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DR1665	Nov-19-07 11:29 AM
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#29057, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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You could mount a stock upper manifold to fake people out with that one vertical bracket. That would be nuts.

Can't wait to see video, man!

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bullettdsm	Nov-19-07 12:23 PM
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#29065, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by freelancefool
I can see why you have been pimping AMM on the forums now.

Have I? Lol. Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with his work over at Neons.org. You can see he does a stand up job.

Originally posted by DR1665
You could mount a stock upper manifold to fake people out with that one vertical bracket.

Heh heh, but then how could they see your contribution

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mike_d	Nov-19-07 03:07 PM
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#29070, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Interested to see how it will perform. How much room is there before it hits the firewall (its hard to tell in the pics)?

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bullettdsm	Nov-20-07 08:40 AM
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#29083, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Nov-20-07 08:40 AM by bullettdsm

Originally posted by mike_d
Interested to see how it will perform.

You and me both.

Originally posted by mike_d
How much room is there before it hits the firewall (its hard to tell in the pics)?

Sorry, as I said, I already stuck the OBX back on after putting in the 450's. I can't measure now, but there is "enough" room. Not a lot, but enough that it is not really a problem to the firewall (as long as you take out that one stud to get by the initial "bump" in the firewall). BUT the problems lies in the heater hose area. That's where I had to be sure that I had all my wires and tubing managed out of the way so the intake/throttle body would fit.

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mike_d	Nov-21-07 02:38 AM
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#29093, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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I guess thats going to be a problem with a portfueler. Any idea if it could be made 1" shorter?

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bullettdsm	Nov-21-07 12:01 PM
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#29099, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by mike_d
Any idea if it could be made 1" shorter?

I would imagine so. I can see getting the portfueler in the mix. But I'm going to leave that answer up to Mike.

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bullettdsm	Feb-11-08 11:33 AM
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#31470, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Had to bring this back up for results. Due to circumstances beyond my control, it took this long to get her to the dyno. Couldn't get separate comparisons between OBX intake and Mikes, but his set-up has now broken the 200whp barrier (203.8whp). With very nice throttle response (which kinda surprised me).

I highly recommend it.

Thanks Mike.

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freelancefool	Feb-11-08 03:28 PM
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#31473, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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So after you get the fuel problem figured out, what is next on the list?

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bullettdsm	Feb-11-08 03:40 PM
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#31475, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by freelancefool
what is next on the list?

Lol, hopefully you'll find out in about a month and a half

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DR1665	Feb-11-08 04:24 PM
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#31478, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by freelancefool what is next on the list?

Lol, hopefully you'll find out in about a month and a half

And Mark? Oh, please!

Feel free to start gold-plating your engine bay any time, okay?

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AMM	Feb-12-08 08:08 AM
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#31502, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by freelancefool
So after you get the fuel problem figured out, what is next on the list?

one of my sweet ass race ported heads! ha ha ha! nice job mark congrats. but really i think one of my heads would give u some more there.

mike

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DR1665	Feb-12-08 08:43 AM
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#31503, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by AMM

Originally posted by freelancefool So after you get the fuel problem figured out, what is next on the list?

one of my sweet ass race ported heads! ha ha ha! nice job mark congrats. but really i think one of my heads would give u some more there. mike

Mark is going to get head from Mike? Wow. Glad I got out of the all motor game when I did. It's getting pretty ghey.

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AMM	Feb-12-08 11:59 AM
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#31512, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by AMM

Originally posted by freelancefool So after you get the fuel problem figured out, what is next on the list?

one of my sweet ass race ported heads! ha ha ha! nice job mark congrats. but really i think one of my heads would give u some more there. mike

Mark is going to get head from Mike? Wow. Glad I got out of the all motor game when I did. It's getting pretty ghey.

its not confirmed so im not ghey yet!

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bullettdsm	Feb-12-08 11:43 PM
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#31528, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by AMM

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by AMM

Originally posted by freelancefool So after you get the fuel problem figured out, what is next on the list?

one of my sweet ass race ported heads! ha ha ha! nice job mark congrats. but really i think one of my heads would give u some more there. mike

Mark is going to get head from Mike? Wow. Glad I got out of the all motor game when I did. It's getting pretty ghey.

its not confirmed so im not ghey yet!

So if I get head, does that mean I'm not ghey?

Wow, this is going in the wrong direction, lol. So here's something you will never, ever see in my engine bay;

Hahaha (I'm talking about the plating not the ITB's

)

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AMM	Feb-13-08 03:01 AM
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#31529, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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the k20 then i take it?

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bullettdsm	Feb-13-08 08:17 AM
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#31532, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by AMM
the k20 then i take it?

Heh, actually with the crowd that I run with, it's a possibility (just not in the NA).

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AMM	Feb-14-08 05:12 AM
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#31544, "RE: A picture is worth a thousand words, Mark."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by AMM the k20 then i take it?

Heh, actually with the crowd that I run with, it's a possibility (just not in the NA).

yeah i read that wrong.............. originally i was gonna say " but that shit is player! ROFL" (about the plating) but for some reason i thought u said u werent talking about the itb's and thats why i said "the k20 then i take it" owell im an idiot. lol

mike

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