ok, so i want to go with a ms&s but i'm still confused after hours of reading. what do i need to complete a unit and where should i buy it. as far as i know, the v2.2 has a map sensor and i can use the rest of my stock sensors right? i just don't know what pieces i need and what ones i don't.

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www.symtechlabs.com or PM Terry and talk to him about a kit

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thanks, i tried the mods & tech but it's not working for me.

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I sent you an email to read. You do use the sensors for the MS and leave the stockers alone (IAT and CLT). for the crank sensor you will piggyback the factory sensor.

Terry

so, how about the mods and tech? (ms&s) is it me or is it busted? i would like to read it.

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I dont know what your referring to.

i tried to read the write up for the ms&s in the mods and tech section. it's not working for me.

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i would still like to read it!

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

oh tight! it works. thanks. that look alot less complicated than i had imagined.

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Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

ok, i got the ms&s (thanks terry) and i'm starting the install. is the 5pin ignitor needed for the setup or just recomended? does every version need it?

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Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

The MSNS you have is direct wire to coil triggers. No externa ignitor needed.

thanks, i'm pulling my hair out cause i'm not getting spark. i have the 5pin ignitor wired up.

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ok, still no spark after removing the ignitor.

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You need to take a look at the settings, most likely the spark is still turned off. I do that so people do not try to run spark without a decent fuel map and damage their motor. If you havent tuned your fuel map then you should not be trying to run spark.

Terry

ok, running stock ignition now and got the car to start. now i'm gonna start tuning. i have a problem starting the car after it's warm. also, how do i get rid of all the error things that pop up every time i open megatune?

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If you open the current map and then save it to your laptop then you should be fine. If not then there must be something with the way you have it setup in your PC.

I know there were like 8 errors most people would get and they were due to the fact that the maps were saved on my pc (with its current setup) and opened with a different laptop. I tested this to be true with 2 laptops I have.

Terry

so, the tuning is coming along very well now but for some reason i'm getting tach spikes at idle and while cranking. when i crank, the tach on the laptop shows 2k or more. that makes the ecu run on ve and not crank. so it dumps mad fuel and no start-o. it usualy starts with flood clear but right when i get the idle smooth the tach spikes return and the little green ball jumps all over the table and the engine stalls.

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check all conns and make sure they are taped very well. Also if you didnt do it, the grounds to the MS should be run to the battery ground on the strut tower. Also some people reported that the MS touching metal of the vehicle created ground noise so make sure that isnt your case.

If all that is good you want to look into why your crank signal is noisy.
The MS itself shouldnt be an issue, you have the v2.2 and that unit was tested on my car with no spikes.


Terry

i allready grounded to the neg. cable and still getting the spikes. i bought a noise filter but i'm not exactly sure what i'm going to do with it. where is the noise most likly coming from? i determined that the starter is responsible for most of it but after cranking i still get some.

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If your getting tach spikes more during cranking then you must have a ground issue somewhere. Start going through all the underhood grounds.

will do, i,ll try on sunday. i grounded the ecu better with a bigger bolt and wrenched the hell out of it and eliminated the idle spikes but the crank problem is bad. would it be cause the starter needs to be grounded better?

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Yes that could do it. ensure the entire circuit to the starter has good conns. You can also try and use a 4ga wire with ring terminals and run it from the batt to the block ground to see if it improves.

ok, i tried a cap on the crank wire and the power wires and a huge filter on the power wires and no improvement. i'm gonna buy a thousand feet of huge wire tomorrow and million rings and ground my engine like a spider web.

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ok, lots of grounds and still getting spikes. i'm going insane and the ms is laughing at me.

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i know you said your getting spikes during cranking but does it affect operation at all?

I will log mine while cranking and see if i get them but i never checked because mine starts fine.

Terry

well, everything that was on the ecu when i got it from you was lost cause i didn't know what i was doing and messed with everything and burned the 720cc table then made changes to that. i don't know if some settings are bad or what but the spikes at idle are only below 800rpm. any higher and it's smooth. the cranking spikes are still out of control. it starts fine when its cold but verry hard when warm.

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update??

no progress, i will look into it a bit more this w/e.

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ok, i wraped the crank wire in metal tape to try to block noise. of coarse it did nothing. i'm gonna try to find a place in vegas to fix and fine tune it for me cause i'm thinkin about pulling it off and doing an exorcism on it. then it will be for sale. i'm verry dissapointed in this unit.

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I checked mine, no tach spikes during cranking. You have 2 options, you can have someone else look at it or you can send it to me and I can verify or deny it by hooking into my car.

Terry

i was just about to ask. i just want to eliminate the box as a problem as far as shipping damage or what not. ok, pm the address and the cost for return shipping. thanks. btw, does anybody know of a tuner in vegas thats familliar with the ms?

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