Ok just found me a Big Ol loop hole in the California smog law and I wanna tune my car to run like a bat out'a hell yet be simple enough for a minor repair and so I think I'll settle for N/A. And so what is the largest pistons I can throw and the highest compression can I run without ping?
Money will be no object yet I ain't gonna spend 14 grand either!
$5-10 grand will be my goal.
I would go turbo but I don't think I have the skills to tune like many of you pros and very little time to learn and so N/A will be the best way to go and so by the end of the year I want to have my beast on the road looking for fresh kill.
I don't want a loopy idle nor do I want a car that makes me yawn with excitement so please any good ideas you guys have will help.
Thank You guys for a great site to hang out at from time to time.
And yes it's been a long time since I have posted but the economy was a bitch for a while but held on to my baby! She still has only 72 on the OD!

Soooo, let me get this straight, you want a super fast NA 420a DSM, without a loping idle (aka stock or stage 1 crower cams), that will pass California emissions, with little to no tuning? Good luck on that...

Either you need to be more specific with "bat out'a hell" and "beast on the road" fast or you need a different platform or need to re-evaluate your goals.. I have one of the fastest 420a NA DSMs ever recorded out there and I have a very obvious loping idle, and doubt I could pass Ohio emissions if ever tested.

Not trying to discourage you but your goals, while vague seem rather out there.

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ill say this once..

NO, you didnt find a big Ol loop hole.. why? b/c there is none.. the last one that existed was in 06 when they crushed the out of state/student registration re-tension.... and 2. IF you have key'd hood locks, and u refuse to consent to search and unlock them, they will get a field warrnt to search it..its an extremely common thing to the point that all they have to do is call the watch commander to issue it (i know it comes from a judge, but they have a blanket one that they can apply, thus they just need to fill in your name)..the laws are very simple now.

1 YOU NEED carb STICKERS AND PAPER WORK FOR PARTS IF YOU MODIFY. if you dont have these, its simply illeagal

2. your car is Exempt IF its made before 71 (i belive) i know its the 70's for sure .
Your car is not.

ANd 3. NO, slapping a 70s exempt motor in the car will not make the car exempt. it will make it unregistered..

and finally, your car is not rare, nor is itspecial in any way as defined by cali to make it exempt.via special interest..

Dude, belive me , i tried for 3 yrs to find "loop holes".. this is how they make their cash...u seriously think you outsmarted a team of highly paid lawyers.. you didnt.. youve clearly mis read or mis interpreted..
And fyi, IF you found some smog place that will "pass " it for you, 2 things to consider. 1. at any time if u get pulled over and officer has reasonable suspicion ( if he sees an aftermarket gauge or even aftermarket exhaust) he can make you go to the refferee.. which means he can impound on the spot.. it happend to my civic, i had legit carb stickers, but smog was bribed. needless to say car was impounded .

2.. you realize smog places are sanctioned by the state, so if they are shady , lucky you for finding one, but since most arnt, they may be trying to play you.. they do get a reward for turning ppl in, just like the IRS...afterall you are asking them to falsify a STATE document...

my suggestion, get a gst. its quick, its turbo and its legal.

EVO engine swap! kid seriously... go by a gst.

if you even for one second think you can swap that in (no impossible, just really stupid).. much less have it be legal.. then its clear you have no clue about the car , or laws..

check yourself before you wreck yourself.

i on the other hand am trying to be discouraging.. b/c well, its simply not going to happen, so move on. your not going to have a legal and fast 420a in cali. Done.

wheres the ban icon when i need it.. lol

And I don't hafta take the smog. See I drive a truck all 48 i have to fill out logs etc to prove where and what i do and see I only store my car there to drive back and forth to see my mother.
They must respect the laws of the state I reside in and in my area I don't smog.

i love south carolina

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Sorry don't have time to look at this very well. But to the guy who was critical of th way I post sorry I was excited but I see your point I just go get a better car it's no big thing. I just like the one I have is all. Thanks anyway.

Originally posted by 740TurboBrick

"Dsms run on Gasoline, DSMers run on Alcohol...Id bring a tank to refuel the DSMers..."

If you dont live in the state, then why do you care about cali smog...

if your car isnt registerd in cali, then why state its a loop hole.. thats stupid, of course anyone can drive thru the state with a modified car? unless you stay instate for X amount of time.. Thats why i put the re tension revoke in there.. out of state students used to be able to retain their out of state tags as long as they were a student, but theyve changed that,.

and fyi, it is illegal to have a car not cali registerd stored in cali for a certain amount of time.. it may be like 1 yr or so.. but hardly a loophole.

u realize a gst has the exact same body.... and again.. its not a loop hole if u live, and have a dl in another state.. it is however illegal if you live and have a DL, and the car is registerd to you and is sitting in cali for x amount of time.. IF the car has a cali registration, then ur still screwed, and they will require you to do a smog..

so regardless of phyiscal location of the car, does it have a cali registration? and is your DL a differnt address, if so, and u get pulled over, they will tag you. you would then need to chose to change your DL to match the state reg, or change the reg of the car to match the DL..

so if u r car doesnt have a cali registration, then u havent found a loop hole lol..

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Buddy, you really need to search. It really isn't fair just to have all the answers handed to you especially when they have been answered a ton of times.
ITB's has been done before on a 420a, couple times but mainly on actual neon's. Bullet has a thread 3 posts down on his ITB set-up.

ITBs is not something you just slap on and get "mad hp yo!" you need to build up to it. There are a few of us seriously competing in the 420a NA scene, and its not just a slap parts on romp, you need to research and plan. It's a true project.

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"If you need someone to provide an itemized build of materials and a flowchart to walk you through every build-related question you will need to answer at each step of the process, you shouldn't be playing with cars. "-Driggs