After contemplating going turbo or staying N/A, I recently decided to go the turbo path. After tearing into my car and spending a lot of money, I have grown to be curious of just how much Hp I could get out of my NA Eclipse staying at 2.0l. I have decided to stay all motor and keep it at 2Liters and try to get as much Hp as I can. Sure one day I will go turbo, but I just feel I need to spend more time reading and doing research and of course SAVE MORE MONEY.
I posted a long time ago about going the N/A route and it got to be a pretty long post, but I am for sure going N/A. My last time at the track I pulled a 15.9 in the quarter and the run wasn't very great anyway. I just got the AF/X ECU in when I pulled that time. (also, that was in Boise Idaho where the altitude is a little high up there). Since I pulled the 15.9, I got crower stage 2's, ported and polished head, REV standard sized valves, Crower springs and Retainers, SBI rockers and lashers, and Fidanza Adjustable cam gears. So, I wonder what my time slip would have said after I did a run with that after-15.??. Well, as some of you may know, I am doing a full rebuild with a stage 3 Spec clutch, Howell Long rod bottom end kit, (whenever that gets here) Balance assembly and whatever else I forgot. Here's a list of my current mods

AEM V2 CAI, OBX Header (soon DC 4-2-1), Fagnablow Exhaust (soon Greddy Evo 2), OBX High flow cat, modern performance 60mm throttle body (soon 55mm TB) (also, the I am selling my 60mm if anyone turbo'd is interested) Ported and polished intake mani., AFX ECU, Short Shifter, ES shifter Bushings, ES Motor mounts, Ported and polsihed head w/crower 2's, valve springs and titanium retainers,SBI rockers and lashers, Fidanza asjustable cam gears and Here's looks for you:

Red Eclipse with Evo Carbon hood with red mesh in it, Shiney Black stock rims, Carbon 1' wing, carbon m3 mirrors, and stickers in black lettering with brand names.

Suspension:
AGX gas adjustable struts, Eibach coilovers, Strut tower bars, and Toyo Proxes.

Sorry for this being so long, but I thought I would just share my mods and plans with everyone, I hope to break into the 14's when I get my car finished in a month and a half, I don't think it's that unrealistic. I hope this brings some more light to the all motor fellas and encourages others to try it out. I know turbo will make you go really fast for your buck, but anyone can do that for a little money. How often do you see a N/A Eclipse in the 14's driving around? I decided to stay at 2.0 because that's what the car is stock, and I wanna see just how fast she'll go before turbo. I was also going to ask, I'm thinking of 10.5 compression with that AF/X ECU, I already have to put 93 octane in it at 9.6:1, do you think I could go 11:1?? What do you all think? Thanks for hearin me.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them.

all im going to say is this, it will not be easy at all to break into the 14s na. it has only been done once to my knowledge and that car no longer exists. ::brace yourself for possible flaming::

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hope you like being slow.

If you dropping all the money with the rebuild kit and whatnot, why not skip the headwork and turbocharge? Have you driven a boosted 420a yet...it's a day and night comparison. To each his own though..good luck.

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Some people don't realize that the 420a eclipse has been around for 10 years already and that this webpage has been around for about 7 years. Every serious 420a tuner has come and gone through this site and I've seen them all. Being on here for over 6 years, I can honestly say all motor 420a is just as expensive and it'll still be slow. SLOW! My advice for you powerlld, save yourself the agony and keep it as is, cuz it'll still be slow. Tuners like you, end up selling their eclipse for a honda when they realize, that cars with variable valve timing techonology is easier to make faster all motor. These days, if you're not turbo, you're not running with the boys on the streets.

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Well, like I said, I will someday, I was just curious to see what she did all motor ya know?? I didn't skimp on the headwork though, it's ported and polished. Is it that unreasonalble to boost with 10.5:1 compression? Like, if I pushed, say, 5-7lbs?? Wouldn't that be close to about 15 lbs at 8.8:1??? I just wanted to see how fast it could go all motor, I know it's not going to be really "fast", but for a N/A Eclipse it will be fast at 2.0. I havn't ever turbo'd before, but my brother has an Srt-4 and I love it. I just don't have the money for a turbo now, and if I go turbo, I want all the pieces of the pie and to eat it. I will not rist breaking what I have already invested so much of my money in. So, what do y'all think about 10.5:1 boosted? Is it unrealistic for someone who has never had a turbo?? What you do if you were me?? (besides the smart ass remarks) Thanks fellas.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them.

Well you never know, lol. I actually had some guy today bug me about my Eclipse cuz Im turbo'd, then he went to tell how he's pushing 320 hp's n/a. I just said "cool" and went on with my business, lol.

Good luck trying though!!

Originally posted by DJ420a
Well you never know, lol. I actually had some guy today bug me about my Eclipse cuz Im turbo'd, then he went to tell how he's pushing 320 hp's n/a. I just said "cool" and went on with my business, lol. Good luck trying though!!

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Take a look in the advanced tuning section to read about a person who did just what you want to do.

Kevin
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Well there are some here who are 10:5:1 (not me) that are going to be turbo soon. I would not try 11:1 on a turbo unless you really know what you are doing and have alot of $ for shit that will break. So unless you rebuild and run a 75 shot or somehting, yeah just save up for turbo kit.

How much less HP will come out of my car at 8.8:1 compared to 10.5:1 all motor before I go turbo?? What's the difference between 8.8:1 with 15lbs boost VS 10.5:1 with the same amount of boost to equal the HP of the 8.8:1 compression?? Wouldn't the turbo be more efficient at this compression? More HP w/less boost?? I'm just asking because I don't know, so let me know what it is that keeps everyone from doing this please. Will it be okay for me to putt around at 8.8:1 natrually aspirated?? Thanks for the input so far though fellas, I appreciate it.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them.

you will hate trying to tune 10.5:1 comp with boost on pump gas.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

My best is 15.3 (but that's without the proper cams). I MIGHT get there but it's a big 3/10ths. I think I'll at least get a tenth or two closer.

If you want to know what I've got, do a search for my mod list, sorry I don't feellike typing it today

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I don't think I'm the only one thinking this but you shouldn't have to ask these questions if You had ANY idea what you were doing.

And by trying to make power N/A, this proves my point.



EDIT: also by putting this in your "mods-list" shows you have no idea again....lol

Evo Carbon hood with red mesh in it(4hp), Shiney Black stock rims(1 hp), Carbon 1' wing (11 whp), carbon m3 mirrors (4whp), and stickers in black lettering with brand names(38 WHP).

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If you read all of my posts, I'm not looking for a 13 second NA car, I said I would be happy to break into the 14's NA. I know that I don't want to be 8.8:1 Natrually aspirated, becuase that's just plain dumb. I know what I'm doin(with the help of all of you), I'm just asking for input. About what to do. I'm thinking that I'm gonna be going 8.8:1 and save up for that turbo one day, I just wasn't sure on how it would be NA for the time being. Thanks for all the help though, I just had my head shaved 3 thousanths when I redid my head, so I'm thinking the compression will be a little higher than 8.8:1 anyhow. About MS, I know I could search, but has the UMS&S done yet? Thanks.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them.

Why don't you just save your money and buy a turbo. I mean, it's STILL GONNA be SLOW AFTER THE TURBO so, why waste your money.

Am I missing something here.

oH...yea....it's the POINT of this thread.

why waste your money on a 14 sec na car??????????

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Take my advice,

Look at me mods list...
I am not slow, but not fast either, plus I face many tuning problems.

I strongly recommend going turbo, save the money, and get more bang for your buck. I am going to replace my pistons and go turbo soon.
Not because I want to, but I have other problems I won't get into here.

Take this advice as well, don't buy any of your parts from howellautomotive. You will have nothing but problems and will be lucky to get the right parts the first time.

Built block.
Refinished head.
Tuned suspension.
TURBO.

Oh, BTW, you will be looking at ~150whp max. I dyno'd at 146, with minor issues still to be worked out.

Built block.
Refinished head.
Tuned suspension.
TURBO.

thank you for your reply.

OMG....I think he'll see the light!

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First of all, you DO have tuning problems, you should have quite a bit more HP than that if you have done those mods, I know for a fact that I have more than you're claiming. For 1, the O.S. 1mm valves were a waste of money and you lost power because you no long have the air velocity going into the head, and 2, the injectors are way too big, you should have stuck with your stock ones. I think either the car is tuned poorly, or there's jusdt something not put together right. (I think other people will agree with me on this.) Also, I know what I would be getting myself into if I were to go N/A, (why does everyone think I'm saying "I'm going to be the mostest fastest Eclipse in the world going N/A???" No, I'm sure I could get into the high 14's, but that's what the goal would be, not something rediculous or stupid for that matter. I AM GOING TURBO for the love of God, just not right now. I was just thinking about going 10.5:1 and then turboing, I was seeing who has done it, and if it was worth it, or to just go N/A with 8.8:1 until the turbo time was here. I originally posted thinking I was going to stay N/A, but changed my mind because I want to have a lot of power. Don't get me wrong, if I could have it my way, I would have a N/A 14 sec Eclipse in a heart beat, but to be smart about how I spend my money, it would be wise to turbo down the road and suffer a little until then with 8.8:1. Anyway, bzoss, you need to make sure everything is put together right and tuned right, I have seen Eclipe's in magazines and in real life that had less mods than you with more horsepower, something isn't right here. Well, thanks for the input everyone, I am always greatful to hear what everyone thinks whethere it's what I want to hear or not, it's good to hear both sides of the community. I'm looking at them turbo JE pistons and Eagle rods on Ebay for $734 so I won't have to wait a year for Howell to get around to sending them to me. I wanted the long rod kit, but it just isn't worth the wait. (I could be wrong, but from the sound of everyone, I don't think it's worth it. Thanks everyone.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them.

It's not that big of a deal to have 8.8:1 compression n/a. I've been driving around for a couple of months like this and I haven't noticed ANY difference at all from before. You lose/gain about 4% of your hp by going up or down 1 point in your compression. You won't even go down a full point from stock (-.8), so it would be like losing 5.6 hp from stock. Woopty doo basil.

-Roman

Holy shit! Look at the vultures! Wasn't your original question about turbo'ing with 10.5s? Good to see ya balls up and stand your ground.
And WTF does "Woopty doo basil" mean?
MB

-Chris
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Jesus, you guys.

Cut the "sell it and buy a turbo" shit. This is not DSMtuners. He's stated several times in this thread that he is going to fucking turbocharge one day. Some of you guys are talking out your asses like all you have to do is bolt up a kit and be fucking done with it. That's bullshit and you all know it. It doesn't matter if you want to boost it, squeeze it or just drive it. If you want to make any serious power, you have to rebuild it from top to bottom. I will agree that going all motor in the interest of "saving money" is a big mistake, as anyone in the know realizes that it's just the oppposite, but there is something to be said about doing things the old fashioned way by building the engine first, then getting into the power adders. It's what I did and it's probably the smartest way to go. Get the engine ready for anything first, then go for the mad numbers.

He's not saying he wants to build an all out, 13second NA 2GNT. He's saying he'd like to push the limits of what can be done since he's already pretty close to maxing out the NA mod path like I have done. Todd ran a 15.3 and Todd's a machine at the track. Daniel ran a 15 flat at the SO with similar mods as mine and slicks. The actual 2GNT is approaching being able to cross over into the 14s after all these years and all you guys want to do is down play it as not being signifigant? That's bullshit right there. Any dumbass can bolt up a kit from Bill or Star and run 14s. To get a normally aspirated 2GNT into the 14s, even if that only means 14.999 is something special. It goes back to why this site was created in the first place; to further the development of the 2GNT platform. With the ease of boosting these things in the last few years, some of you would talk like there is no other mod path to follow and that is sad. You were not always turbocharged. You may have goals of running 12s or better some day, and I think we all agree that's bad ass, but when someone is this close to doing something noteworthy for the community as a whole, I think it's a damn shame to see you all go native on his ass and downplay his plans because he's taking the path less trodden. Not to mention he said he's just delaying his turbo plans so he can play here at the limits of NA tuning. It's the same thing I've done. I will be boosting on 10.5:1CR with a MSnS installed and 400hp plans by summer. The only difference between my motor now and when it's turbocharged (besides the fact that it will actually be running again) will be the size of my injectors and the exhaust manifold. Very little else. It's all in the tuning, and this guy is learning about tuning these engines by putting in the wrench time and paying his NA dues. For that, he gets respect. For talking shit like a bunch of dooshbags, the rest of you get the You may be some smart mother fuckers, but to tell a guy on a NON TURBO website that there is no point in building his engine is ludicrous.



And bzoss or whatever. You may have a lot done to your car, but there are others here who have been talking with you that have put more to the ground than you are. You still have some work to do. You've got about 20whp to pull out of your ass before you can talk that game.

Dude, I figured you of all people would tell him to say screw the n/a shit and don't waste any more money on n/a bullshit. Who cares if your in an eclipse or a fucking pinto, a 14 is a 14. And a 14 is slow. He said he wanted a lot of power.

Keep your 60mm TB if your going turbo, sell the n/a bullshit for money to help fund either the rebuild or the boost. It would have been nice to see a n/a eclipse run a 14.9, but it'd be even nicer seeing one running a 10 w/ boost. Which one would you care about more?

-Roman

Humm, interesting.....

Ok what i want to know, that i have yet to see, is what would be the difference in power, BOOSTED, between 10.5 and 8.8 CR? Would it be large enough to make it worthwhile on less PSI despite the hassles? I ask because im considering keeeping the stock compression when i boost for that reason, but then again its going to depend on HOW MUCH it's going to be worth my while....

I really like having my "higher than stock compression" launch and then boost kicks in. Like ^^^^ said, do you homework, see what will fit you best and go from there. All in all good luck.

Amen brother, I think you about covered it. I thank you. I'm still having the delema of whether to buy the 8.8:1 pistons or the 10.5:1 pistons for later when I go turbo. I havn't ever boosted, but I have built my car from the ground up, so, I just don't know what I might be getting myself into at 10.5:1 with a turbo. I'm thinking just because it's my first time turboing, I'm not going to want 10.5:1 just because I just havn't learned what is needed to tune properly. I'm not someone who wants to act like I know more than I do, but I know what I know and am sure of myself to be able to learn more. Hell, this website taught me so much about my car just in the past year it's unbelievable. About the comments though, I think that half of the problem is so many people coming in here acting like they are going to be big time with going N/A and not knowing too much about what makes our cars tick, that is kinda annoying. But when someone wants to do something that not everyone agrees with, is it neccisary to totally bash on them just because YOU think it's not something that YOU would want to waste your time with?? Thanks for everything though, I'm not trying to bash either, but, we can all be cool about what we are all doing and deal with the fact that it's not going to be the exact same thing. Anyway, only $3000 more to go.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my new tail lights? Yeah, cool huh, get used to looking at them, well, after I get my turbo.

I am definetly turboing my car but I need to save up, Im planning on getting a HAHN Stage 2 Turbo Kit

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Don't wanna beat a dead horse but I support his effort to go N/A I am going to do the same it will be a challenge but it will be fun to see it go quicker.
He will be able to beat a few guys mabey not some guy with balls under the hood but he will be able to beat a few so you guys need to lighten up!
You guys rag N/A guys don't know why but to each his own so what the car will not be able to hit 13's but 14-15's ain't too bad let m get this straight, I go out put a turbo on then gotta do up keep on the thing all the time??? Naaaa not me I can live with a quick car it don't hurt my pride becuse at this time I know sombody will always be faster than whatever I buy or mod, If I turbo a VET or some other car can still beat me so what's the point?
Hay the guy want's to do his different and we should all back him mabey he'll get somthing done we never thought of and we can learn from it.
I gotta do it do to Calif. and being upside down n my car so it's a matter of principal besides like I said I save money then I buy an 08 whatever and I get the last laugh becuse you know it will more than likely be faster and better looking than a 99 anyway!
My 2 cents!!!
Hay dude HC pistons are what you want to get your car in te 14-15 second range like 10.5.1 and above.
Oh one other thing ain't this site about Non Turb cars and or mods?
At least the name seem to say that to me...

Anyone who says they want the challenge of making an NA car fast just doesn't have money and thats just the excuse.

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hehe. ummm.........

No neither probably would but come now, lets not get into this THAT far.

With about 1k, the Silvia would def run less than a 13 so. Best to date being a 13.8 ........The talon needs a few MORE grand to get there

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Originally posted by Blizare
hehe. ummm......... No neither probably would but come now, lets not get into this THAT far. With about 1k, the Silvia would def run less than a 13 so. Best to date being a 13.8 ........The talon needs a few MORE grand to get there

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Anyone who says they want the challenge of making an NA car fast just doesn't have money and thats just the excuse."

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That's where ya wrong, It takes far more cash to hit the 14sec range in an Eclipse than it takes to get 12-13sec because slaping a turbo on is cheeper(I saw a site over at MSN some guy turboed his Eclipse for "$600.00" them things are cheap if you know what you are doing).
A Non Turbo Eclipse is more about pride and determination to acheive the maximum result, which of corse may never ever be the same as a turbo unless some break through in tecnology or sheer luck comes along which I don't think will happen in the area of power, fule milage yes but power far above present levels set today where a long road to travel but we got what we have today because of guys like us N/A guys and that's the most important thing
Yes I have the cash and or the ability to get more but I'm saving my good name and extra cash for a home on the range
To me it's exciting when you talk to old guys who used to drag race back in the good ol days and the War Stories they tell ya about the straight motor did this and or that it just makes me that more determined to go N/A just thinking about the challenge tickles me to death
Price wise including a full N/a rebuild mabey $4-5,000 tops I have talked to a guy that runs a shop and he dynoed a N/A street monster Eclipse at 225-235hp to the ground no joke!!!
But it would not pass a California Smog test if you had a million in cold hard cash that is unless you bribed the smog test man.
It cost that guy I think 5,000+ and it did have a lumpy idle I'm sure but at 225-235hp N/A who cares???
I spoke to an old country hand he told me how to cheat the tail pipe test so easy so slick I shoulda though of it a long time ago!
All I'm say'n is guys ya gotta get off this thing about turbos being the god of all modifications (Some of you guys want to do things too easy) some of these guys are thinking outside the box and you guys need to pat on the back instead of stabb'n em in the back.
I'm not sayin suger coat the truth but instead nudge em along, what are you turbo guys scared that a N/A guy is gonna rain on your parade from a red light???

Originally posted by fullmoon
what are you turbo guys scared that a N/A guy is gonna rain on your parade from a red light???

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Holy shizzle, I remember this post, by the way, I am almost done turboing my car. lol. I wish I had gone all motor like I said before, I wouldn't be such a broke ass right now. I am going to be anywhere from 280-325whp depending on what I decide on. I want to see some more all motor 420a Eclipse's for sure though.





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"But a 225 whp n/a eclipse is NOT a monster. hehe"
Aaaaa but for an eclipse to put that to the ground while NOT running turbo is no walk in the park therefore IMO I would hafta say it is for the class it was designed to be/stay in.
You know the manufactures/designers would have really wanted you to spend as much cash with them instead of joes speed shop so the N/A was not intended to be a monster but instead a quick car.
You just know when Dodge and Mitsu decided to hook up together to do biz they saw the conflict of intrest and worked hard to get GS-T and the GS/RS as far apart in terms of power output from the time it left the plant till the time you after you paid it off and went over to joes shop ad beyond in other words they looked wayyy down the pike when they put these puppies together and knew what you could sqweeze out of these little cars however Chrysler had it's rep on the line so they let you get something for your investment but not as much as the GST just like you guys say "Shoulda bought a GS-T if ya wanted go fast
Yes you can get very good performance from the GS/RS if you put a turbo on it I'll agree 110% however there is something to be said about N/A that can crack the 200whp limit, while it may not be it may not be the big bad wolf it would be a wolf in sheeps clothing none the less besides there will always somebody bigger badder than you I don't care if you turbo or not you just hafta choose your street fights very carefully when you run N/A as a matter of fact not all street fighters run turbo anywa
Also the fact I live in the west coast Comme Smog State "Gag" that presents another challenge so the road for me has land mines but I can manuver it very carefully if I plot my coarse correctly and still come out on top.
From my veiw point it's not so much about "all the power" I could sqweeze out of a 420a with a turbo but "being from the old school" its the pride of tell'n the nay sayers "Yes it can be done, mabey at a price but it can be done"

Originally posted by fullmoon
I'll just be happy to get at least 150whp after a port polish and some kind of computor mod mabey just a stand alone (Which these guys did not add on to the test car) it will not be much of a monster rocket but it should still hold it's own, while not 200whp it's still far better than 117whp stock If I get more all the better but if she only does 150whp I won't be mad at her wish me luck

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heh i know im kind of a new guy here but i always thought your car was the fastest n/a and this post just made me realize that there's absolutely no proof of it, not that i don't believe you but once you get to a dyno that just write it out plain and simple to everyone that you are the fastest n/a stock displacement 420a eclipse/talon out there, keep it up. I want to see it break 180whp or more and get down the track in less than 15 seconds

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i was just wondering if your only plans are n/a for a total track car or once u achieve your goal of 14's n/a if u're going to try another route, like turbo or nitrous? just curious, i remember there being talk about maybe going turbo but then u decided not to so just curious.

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Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by fullmoon going to try the Venom chip I called em up and they seemed like they knew what they were talking about

Originally posted by fullmoon I got bosh 4 prong plugs I got tq like you would'nt belive and trust me I know when I can pull a hill

Originally posted by fullmoon I'll try slighly bigger injectors along with a high flow fule pump too and I may be close to 150hp

Originally posted by fullmoon Say a Prayer for me, Please!!!

Three strikes. You're out.

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You're not really going to have to do anything to the fuel system at all if you're N/A bro. Maybe just buy some good injectors that have been measured equally, but that's about it, you don't need any bigger injectors, even if you do need bigger one's they aren'y going to be that much bigger.





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Also, if you want to see decent numbers being N/A, you're going to want to port and polish the head, not just port it. When going N/A with this car, every tiny bit is going to help and you won't be able to skip out on anything while you are on it. That's just me though. If you want to be N/A and show some decent numbers, you really can't half ass anything. High compression, cams, stroker kit or 2.4 liter, and port and polished head along with ported intake manifold, only go 55mm on the throttle body, anything bigger and you will lose bottom end power. Take it one step at a time and you will be somewhat satisfied being all motor. Trust me, you will kick yourself in the ass if you skip anything being N/A and you will just wish you got a turbo like everyone else. But I totally respect the N/A side of our cars and support anyone going that route, you just need to know what to expect and know the hp numbers you are going to be achieving. PM me sometime if you want my all motor list. Good luck though.





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Yea you should really open your eyes and listen to everything DR1665 just said. I'm so glad he posted and I didn't have to write out some long ass post at 7am this morning

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by Blizare

Oh. I'm so saving that one.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

Just to let you all know, I had the AF/X ECU for my car and it kicked ass, seriously. I did have a lot done to my car at the time and that would just make it work better though. I had the full race unit that canceled the rear O2. That ECU was bad ass, I never had any experience with the Venom or Jet just because I always thought they were bogus and didn't want to waste the money. Howell did it right, it just took them 6months to mail it to me.




F.S. Brand New Greddy Type RS BOV $155.00 shipped.