Ok there are like 10 pages of threads about LSDs on this site.
general conclusions, buy a quaife.

I had orginally thought Phantom Grip but I do more autoX style driving than straight line

i can either get the quaife and eat ramen for a few months to get it installed, try the obx one or one from this site http://www.amcparts.net/

on a side note, i talked to Brad at Hahn and they are testing the OBX in their cars right now.

I am interested in the one from amcparts.net, I remember seeing the website in an older thread but no one had ever tried it.

Does anyone have any experience with this LSD, ideas, suggestions etc.

after my horrible 15.1 at 104mph this weekend i would be the guinea pig and try the OBX if i knew their warranty was good.

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

i decided to go with the OBX LSD

for better or worse as soon as it gets here and i get it installed we will see how well it works

in addition to the LSD i am considering doing the neon tranny swap as well figured i could get the neon tranny, open it up and put the LSD in so there wouldnt be as much down time for the car

as far as i have discovered i need these parts to put the new LSD in

Speedo gear 1 4797316
Bearing Cups 2 4567022
Cone Roller bearings 2 4567025AB
Mopar Trans fluid 3 4874465
Differential ring gear bolts 12 4761105
Case half sealant 1 4318083
Diff pin retainer brackets ** 2 04800059AA
Axle seal 2 4797334

is there anything else i need that anyone can think of
other than a tranny jack

i have 2 hydrolic floor jacks but no transmission adapter
also my dad has a car lift and bearing press in his garage so getting the car in the air and pressing the new bearings in shouldnt be a problem

maybe a new rear mainseal just in case

i would like to find a good write up on how to take out the transmission since this is the first time.

i have chiltons manual but still a little nervous.

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

I'm also looking at getting a OBX sometime soon.

http://dope.dhs.org/car_stuff/Tech_Articles/Tranny_Diff_Swap_How-To/


This site tells you how to install it.


Hope this helps,

Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

so its time to get started

i got the LSD in

it actually looks good
machine work is good. its not a mirror finish but it doesnt look like a 2 year old did it. the diff is completely enclosed so i cant see the spider gears without taking it apart.

I also got my neon tranny in so i need to start working on that swap as well.

plus my stage 2 axles from the driveshaft shop finally got in.

after a lot of soul searching plus the fact that i work 12 hours a day and just dont feel like going into something that deep on the weekends, i dropped the car off at my favorite mechanics and told him to call me when its back together

just to be on the safe side i am having a new rear mainseal put in as well

wish me luck

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

good luck....lol

That's fucking exciting dude. I wanna know how it feels when you go for a drive. I want some lsd too

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

i went over and checked on things yesterday

the guy that i decided to have do the work for me has the neon tranny completely disassembled and was going over the synchros with a fine tooth comb.

i told him that all he had to do was swap the bellhousing but he wanted to make sure that there were no problems first

he wants to just put the neon guts in the eclipse casing.

I asked him what he thought of the differential and he said initial once over it looks to be a solid piece. he hasnt tore it down yet to look inside

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

sounds like everythign is goin as planed......

Some other forums write in their reports about the obx that not all the bolts are torqued down the same. In other words some arnt torqued down any harder then by hand and some neede some real presuation. So have your guy go over them.

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yeah thats the first thing i checked

they were all right at 50ft/lbs on average

some were less some were more the highest was 55lbs

he is going to completely take apart the unit anyway so i didnt bother tightening anything

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

any updates on the obx?

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99 GS-Turbo 3.55 MTX
S16G @ ~15psi - FMIC - Forged Internals
Clinton Township, MI

Status: Parting Out...

yeah its still sitting on the mechanics workbench in the box

2 weeks now and he hasnt even started on it

then again i am only getting charged half price on labor so i shouldnt complain too much

i wish i had the time or garage space to tackle this myself

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

update
the tranny is back together

i had the neon tranny completly rebuilt rather than just swapping bellhousings

was told that the diff went in great
the allen head bolts were torqued to spec and that it looked great inside the unit

so hopefully by the weekend i can try it out

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

how exciting. Good luck

SoCal DSM
1996 RS-T: Under Construction
1999 GS AE: New daily driver
"USING NO WAY AS A WAY, HAVING NO LIMITATION AS A LIMITATION"--BRUCE LEE

Well i took a chance and got screwed.
LSD went in fine no problems fit was perfect

got the tranny in
put the axles in and BAM the spider gears are not machined correctly. I dont understand the mechanics behind what holds the axle clips in place but in a nutshell the axles will not go all the way into the diff.
at first we thought that the axles from driveshaftshop.com were bad so we tried the oem axles and had the same problem.

so there we go
test subject
guinea pig whatever you want to call it
i took one for the team and lost my ass
i cant even get a hold of the company i bought the thing from to even try to get a refund.

so at first i thought about just putting the oem diff back in but that would put me back at square one traction wise so i orderd a phantom grip with the upgraded springs
at least i know these things work
once this thing blows up the tranny
notice i said when not if

i am going to push betsy off of the nearest cliff

either way

DO NOT GET AN OBX LSD IT IS A PIECE OF CRAP

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

ok heres the final word
after getting out the mic and calipers and measuring what is going on here is the problem.

our axles must go into the differential/casing 2.8 inches before the c clip will spring out and lock into place.

the hole in the LSD is not deep enough
it has the shelf(for lack of a better term) that the c clip will go against but the hole was only drilled deep enough to allow the axle to go in 2.6 inches

20 thousandths of a inch is what is stopping this thing from working
so before i put on the phantom grip i ordered we are going to see if we can get that .20" machined out

oh well the saga continues

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

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2001 A4 1.8tqms (donated)
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well there is already one coming so at this point i am about ready to destroy the entire car just for the insurance money


it aggravates me because guys on the neon.org site are raving about their OBX LSDs with no problems

did i just get the bad one off the line or what

what would happen if i put the axle in without the snap ring

the axle goes in just not far enough for the snap ring to lock
but it does go in far enough for the spindle to go onto the hub
and bolt the rest of the suspension back up

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

You gotta have that snap ring... Unless you want your axles coming out.

2016 WRX STi Limited (current)
2001 A4 1.8tqms (donated)
1991 GVR4 #1933 (sold)
old.dsmregistry.com/detail.php?carid=218 (dismantled)

How are you guys going about installing the axles into the trans? You have to pop them in just like you pop them out. I usually have to shove them in pretty hard for them to lock in. Just food for thought in case you're mearly sliding them in. If that IS how you're going about trying to install them, im really disappointed because I was thinking about buying the same unit.

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99 GS-Turbo 3.55 MTX
S16G @ ~15psi - FMIC - Forged Internals
Clinton Township, MI

Status: Parting Out...

well thats what i thought too but get this

i measured the depth of the holt

the axle needs 2.8 inches to completely lock in
the hole depth is 2.6 inches

the hole on the passengers side measured to 2.9 so it locked in fine

even putting a mallet on it didnt help

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

So last night after thinking really hard about it I decided to have a Quaife 2 day aired to me.

if this thing has problems then I am going to torch the car

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

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99 GS-Turbo 3.55 MTX
S16G @ ~15psi - FMIC - Forged Internals
Clinton Township, MI

Status: Parting Out...

yeah it was the money i had been saving to paint the car along with the 97 bumper and sideskirts i bought
but function before form

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

You may of just got a bad OBX Diff. I think the general consensus is that the OBX works but their QA sucks. I know a lot of the Honda guys usually disasemble their diffs and check them defore installing. Did you try calling OBX directly about the issue?

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95 Talon ESi-T

the obx website is down so i cant get their number
i sent them an email on friday but no reply yet

if someone has their number it would be great

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

i finally convinced the company i bought the OBX unit from to take it back. they told me that if it comes back in new condition and it is truly defective then i could get a refund because once again
they have sold hundreds of these units for eclipses and neons and i am the first one with a problem

my quaife comes in tomorrow.
first thing is to measure the holes where the axles go and see how much clearance it has on the drivers side.
if even it only has 2.6 inches of depth then i know there is a problem

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

So the quaife shows up today
took my new axles and they clicked right in no problems

life is good
now i just need to put the quaife in the tranny
and sell my soul to pay the shop that is doing it

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

Evo 8 - 12.3@113 circa 2009 (~330whp)
Now with BB Xona Rotor HTZ FP Red and ~450whp
2018 MSM Civic SI Ktuner TSP stage 1 w/ Honda hacked headunit.

SO today I finally got my car back. During the reinstall my TOB was looking kinda rough so they replaced it. Other than that the Quaife went in perfectly with no problems.

Performance. I havent really got on it yet but just driving it home. Smooth, very smooth. The neon tranny was completely rebuilt and it feels like it.

The stage 2 axles from www.driveshaftshop.com went in perfect.

Now I just cant wait to get this thing to the track and see what it can do with two wheels pulling.

I am going to drive it for a week or so and let that diff and synchros wear in before I try to break any speed records.

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

wow craziness

I installed the old newskool slip in diffs when I rebuilt my engine. I've put 10k miles on it and I love it, despite the things I've heard of it. The car grips and handles awesome. I also took it to 2 drift events so it's been put through some extreme testing, you gotta spin dem tires.

I got a phantom grip on my Z and it doesn't seem that good, I can feel it gripping and pushing me but if I try to do donuts with it I can feel it slipping.

Putting that bellhousing sucked ass I'll tell you that, that neon page looks like they had a bearing retaining on it to keep it from falling out when you put it in, that bearing caused me sooo much grief >.< I hear you can keep it in there with vaseline

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1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

yup. i just went with the quaife to begin with. no problems. and my driveshaftshop stage 5's fit perfect with it.

holy crap the stage 5's
how many ponies are you putting down

1996 eclipse GS-T
1968 Ford Mustang
2004 Suzuki GSXR600
2006 Honda CBR1000RR
Decisions Decisions

the techs at dodge torque the ring gear bolts to 70 ft lb, and they ar a 12.9 grade bolt..

Part number 4761105 was superseded by part number 5017180AA. 4800059AA is the diff retainer brackets, not 04800059AA. (just updating part #'s and info). sorry to bring the dead back

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